Voit DFA'ed

[bensheeps]

 

[markedman5]

Could see that coming as soon as they signed Ruf.

Best of luck to Voit…..seemed like a good teammate.

[hawing]

Time for us to all unbutton a little extra in tribute.

[Brewcrew82]

Ready for the Anderson-Adames-Urias-Miller alignment with Rowdy/Ruf at DH

[Jopal78]

Too bad about Voit, 72 PAs and losing your spot is harsh. Though you can’t blame the Brewers too much who are clearly desperate for a spark.

I think, Voit probably still has some chance to be productive if he got regular at bats, plus the Brewers had a team option on him for next year. Ruf isn’t anything and will likely be Voit-esque with his numbers in time. 

[Brewcrew82]

3 minutes ago, Jopal78 said:

Too bad about Voit, 72 PAs and losing your spot is harsh. Though you can’t blame the Brewers too much who are clearly desperate for a spark.

I think, Voit probably still has some chance to be productive if he got regular at bats, plus the Brewers had a team option on him for next year. Ruf isn’t anything and will likely be Voit-esque with his numbers in time. 

Ruf can actually hit lefties. Voit can't. 

[Jopal78]

3 hours ago, Brewcrew82 said:

Ruf can actually hit lefties. Voit can't. 

See above post. Maybe Ruf was a lefty masher at some point, but he’s coming off injuries, is going to be 37 soon and hasn’t been good in a few seasons. Let’s see where he at in 50 more PAs, I’m  it expecting much better than Voit. 

[wiguy94]

15 minutes ago, Jopal78 said:

See above post. Maybe Ruf was a lefty masher at some point, but he’s coming off injuries, is going to be 37 soon and hasn’t been good in a few seasons. Let’s see where he at in 50 more PAs, I’m  it expecting much better than Voit. 

Ruf had a 116 wRC+ vs LHP last season and a 116 wRC+ vs LHP so far this season (while way underperforming his xwOBA). Voit had a -53 wRC+ vs LHP this season and yes that is a negative. 

Also I don't even know where the Ruf hasn't been good in a few seasons nonsense is coming from. Since Ruf returned to the MLB in 2020 these are his numbers vs LHP

2020 - 136 wRC+

2021 - 165 wRC+

2022 - 116 wRC+

2023 - 116 wRC+

Where exactly is the bad season?

 

 

[patrickgpe]

These are chances the brewers should / must take. It didn’t work out, but their loss was very little. Ruf isn’t the best option at backup 1st, That being said he is an OK 1 year stop-gap backup

[Jopal78]

29 minutes ago, wiguy94 said:

Ruf had a 116 wRC+ vs LHP last season and a 116 wRC+ vs LHP so far this season (while way underperforming his xwOBA). Voit had a -53 wRC+ vs LHP this season and yes that is a negative. 

Also I don't even know where the Ruf hasn't been good in a few seasons nonsense is coming from. Since Ruf returned to the MLB in 2020 these are his numbers vs LHP

2020 - 136 wRC+

2021 - 165 wRC+

2022 - 116 wRC+

2023 - 116 wRC+

Where exactly is the bad season?

 

 

I’m not going  to argue metrics, there’s a stat to support any position you want to take.

Ask yourself this, if Ruf is a good player,  why has he been flat out released twice since opening day? Especially by a team with deep post season aspirations?

Look, I hope he provides the Brewers a spark, but essentially a platoon guy and who (like too many brewers) hits for power and not much else and is 37, I’m not anticipating much in the long haul. 

[wiguy94]

1 minute ago, Jopal78 said:

I’m not going  to argue metrics, there’s a stat to support any position you want to take.

Ask yourself this, if Ruf is a good player,  why has he been flat out released twice since opening day? Especially by a team with deep post season aspirations?

Look, I hope he provides the Brewers a spark, but essentially a platoon guy and who (like too many brewers) hits for power and not much else and is 37, I’m not anticipating much in the long haul. 

You do this every time. You claim something untrue. Someone proves that it's untrue and then you transition to some other reason to complain. 

[wiguy94]

13 minutes ago, Jopal78 said:

I’m not going  to argue metrics, there’s a stat to support any position you want to take.

Ask yourself this, if Ruf is a good player,  why has he been flat out released twice since opening day? Especially by a team with deep post season aspirations?

Look, I hope he provides the Brewers a spark, but essentially a platoon guy and who (like too many brewers) hits for power and not much else and is 37, I’m not anticipating much in the long haul. 

Joel Payamps has been DFA'd 6 times since 2020 and the A's (the worst team in baseball) traded him to us this offseason because they were just planning on DFA'ing him as well. Yet he's been our second best RP this season and absolutely lights out in high leverage.

[markedman5]

Why was Nelson Cruz DFA and went unclaimed only to become an excellent DH for years after?

mistakes are made all the time……..and roster moves are made for all kinds of reasons……

[BlightyBrew]

I didn't understand the Voit signing at the time nor how they used him during the season.  You sign Voit and then ask him to  hit against lefties when his career numbers are significantly better against RHP and expect him to have success?  It's just poor roster construction and/or poor in game management usage.  Its almost like they set him up to fail.

Voit is hitting over .343 with .400 SlG against RHP this year.  Granted not much power or extra base hits in 41 PA.

I know Winker career numbers are better than Voit against RHP but not that much better.  Think Winker is still hurt and might be done.  In 117 PA against RHP this year he is only hitting .202 with .222 SLG.

I would of much rather given the Voit/Ruff DH platoon a chance than stick with Winker. 

Either way, if I'm Luke I would be glad to be out of Milwaukee.

[TURBO]

5 hours ago, BlightyBrew said:

I didn't understand the Voit signing at the time nor how they used him during the season.  You sign Voit and then ask him to  hit against lefties when his career numbers are significantly better against RHP and expect him to have success?  It's just poor roster construction and/or poor in game management usage.  Its almost like they set him up to fail.

 

See Keston Hiura.  🤢  Same exact situation last year.

[Jopal78]

13 hours ago, wiguy94 said:

You do this every time. You claim something untrue. Someone proves that it's untrue and then you transition to some other reason to complain. 

I haven’t transitioned to anything. It’s too bad they pulled the plug on Voit after 74 PAs especially when he rarely played in back to back games. I think given semi-regular PAs, Voit would have been fine. 

Of course, I understand it’s the last go around with this group of players and they’re kind of treading water at best, so the Brewers are desperate for a spark, thus Voit is out and Ruf is in. I am dubious that Ruf is going to make any meaningful contribution. 

I don’t really care what the metrics say Ruf’s value is (especially when those same metrics suggest Keston Hiura is a great player). That Ruf is soon 37, was already DFA’d twice before Memorial Day, went unclaimed both times,  and is coming off a season where he hit a Homer every 20 PAs against LHP but failed to get on base against them at better than .325 tells me all I need to know. 

[Playing Catch]

The DH position has been a disaster. Not to derail the thread, but there were concerns that the Brewers wouldn't be able to compete at that spot. Well, they aren't at the moment. And the collective, 4+ million guaranteed to Voit and Hiura... ugh. 

18 hours ago, Brewcrew82 said:

Ready for the Anderson-Adames-Urias-Miller alignment with Rowdy/Ruf at DH

Gotta hope there are at least no holes in that configuration. Ruf/Tellez/Yelich/Contreras DH.

[wiguy94]

20 minutes ago, Jopal78 said:

I haven’t transitioned to anything. It’s too bad they pulled the plug on Voit after 74 PAs especially when he rarely played in back to back games. I think given semi-regular PAs, Voit would have been fine. 

Of course, I understand it’s the last go around with this group of players and they’re kind of treading water at best, so the Brewers are desperate for a spark, thus Voit is out and Ruf is in. I am dubious that Ruf is going to make any meaningful contribution. 

I don’t really care what the metrics say Ruf’s value is (especially when those same metrics suggest Keston Hiura is a great player). That Ruf is soon 37, was already DFA’d twice before Memorial Day, went unclaimed both times,  and is coming off a season where he hit a Homer every 20 PAs against LHP but failed to get on base against them at better than .325 tells me all I need to know. 

.322 OBP was 10 points better than the MLB average OBP last season. Why are you acting like that’s a bad OBP?

You dislike metrics like wRC+ but then set arbitrary OBP numbers as determinants whether a player was a good or bad hitter? You’re talking crap about Hiura in this comment when your most recent comment in this thread is how the Brewers misused Hiura not playing him more??? Make it make sense please. 

[Brock Beauchamp]

Can't we just be happy that we no longer have to witness the Luke Voit experience?

[jerichoholicninja]

Voit has been pretty underwhelming for a player who's only skill is hitting for a few years now.

[Jopal78]

4 minutes ago, wiguy94 said:

.322 OBP was 10 points better than the MLB average OBP last season. Why are you acting like that’s a bad OBP?

You dislike metrics like wRC+ but then set arbitrary OBP numbers as determinants whether a player was a good or bad hitter? You’re talking crap about Hiura in this comment when your most recent comment in this thread is how the Brewers misused Hiura not playing him more??? Make it make sense please. 

If I said the Brewers misused Hiura in any way then someone else was logged in as me, or you are misreading something. 
 

A .322 OBP puts Ruf ahead of only Adames, Taylor, and Winker who are all indisputably having bad seasons at the plate, plus the two rookies Turang and Wiemer who are seemingly overmatched against MLB pitching right now.

[Fear The Chorizo]

4 minutes ago, Brock Beauchamp said:

Can't we just be happy that we no longer have to witness the Luke Voit experience?

Nope, gotta be upset at this 1st place team for all player moves - whether they are roster changes or sticking with guys....either way it's always wrong and there's always a better thing they should have done.  Never mind the fact the other NL teams who won the offseason all have worse records than the Brewers at this stage despite the fact the Brewers' pitching can't stay healthy!!

[Brock Beauchamp]

Just now, Fear The Chorizo said:

Nope, gotta be upset at this 1st place team for all player moves - whether they are roster changes or sticking with guys....either way it's always wrong and there's always a better thing they should have done.  Never mind the fact the other NL teams who won the offseason all have worse records than the Brewers at this stage despite the fact the Brewers' pitching can't stay healthy!!

Heheh, like most people I'm a little disappointed in the Crew this season but the fact they're in first place despite losing their rotation is rather impressive.

Where the disappointment comes in is how much better they could be if the offense would wake up.

[wiguy94]

 

16 minutes ago, Jopal78 said:

If I said the Brewers misused Hiura in any way then someone else was logged in as me, or you are misreading something. 
 

A .322 OBP puts Ruf ahead of only Adames, Taylor, and Winker who are all indisputably having bad seasons at the plate, plus the two rookies Turang and Wiemer who are seemingly overmatched against MLB pitching right now.

The offensive environment was far worse last season than this season so I don't know why you think it's okay to use his OBP last season in comparison to how players are performing this season. Ruf currently has a .360 OBP this season which is second to only Owen Miller.

Yeah I thought you made the comment Turbo did about Hiura. I rescind the comment I made about Hiura. 

[Thurston Fluff]

Voit might have done better given more ab's but that wasn't going to happen. His job was to manage to produce with sporadic playing time. He didn't appear capable of that. We found someone who profiles better at the job that was available and cut him to make room. That's what happens to fringe players.