Brewers (Peralta) vs Pirates (Bido): 6/30/23, 6:05pm - Apple TV+

[Jopal78]

16 minutes ago, sveumrules said:

This was the Brewers 1st loss scoring 7 or more runs this year.

Not quite 99.9%, but 16-1 comes in at 94.1%.

Yep, not a good team is the point. They’re below average and play in a division that is awful.

[Jim French Stepstool]

4 minutes ago, Brewcrew82 said:

No, he doesn't throw hard. That's the problem. 

He used to be 98-99, which he needs to be at since his FB has next to no movement. I believe he was in the mid-90s tonight. So unless his curve is exceptional (it's average-ish) yep, that's a problem.

Also, McCutchen drove one up the gap on an 0-2 pitch right down the middle.

[BruisedCrew]

8 minutes ago, Brewcrew82 said:

Here's CC's answer to my question. I'm not buying it. You pitch whoever of your top 5 relievers is in the best shape for one inning to get the win. That was Wilson in this case.

Seems clear though that Matt Bush is going to be DFA'd before tomorrow's game. 

Why not buy it without knowing why they didn’t want to use him? Maybe he has a tired arm or minor injury that they don’t want to disclose. He may not have rebounded well from the 2 innings he threw on Wednesday.

Maybe they feel they need him to cover multiple innings sometime this weekend given how heavily used the other relievers have been and how even the supposed aces of the staff have trouble going 6 innings. I don’t absolve Peralta for his failure to get even a quality start, which IMHO is a fairly low bar for someone with his ability. 
 

 

[rickh150]

7 minutes ago, Brewcrew82 said:

No, he doesn't throw hard anymore. That's the problem. 

95 were most of his fastballs…

[Joseph Zarr]

Debating Matt Bush at any point in a Brewers season, at this point...man, what a mind warp. I mentioned it in a recent Minor League report: all the previous warts from his previous 2023 MLB outings prior to this most recent call-up were absolutely still there in Nashville. He didn't look the part. Velo down in the low to mid 90's. Gave up hard contact. He wasn't a guy that screamed anything remotely 'Get him back up there!'. 

What I asked myself recently was: Why would you insist on keeping Bush when you were so eager to sell Lucas Erceg for peanuts? Obviously, this thought is made more appropriate in hindsight but it still rings true - especially from the converted field player vantage point. 

I surmise it appears to be one of those failures to accept what it is staring them in the face personnel snafus. This happens to every front office/personnel department. From afar, it seems to be a classic case of overvaluing a guy and hoping he'll change when we have enough data that states that really isn't a reasonable expectation. 

So, it begs to ask the question: why was he still rostered to begin with? 

[wiguy94]

12 minutes ago, rickh150 said:

I actually think he should still be on the team in an obviously different role than tonight. He still throws hard, and has some positive experience too in MLB, unlike most of our pitchers, 

Between Matt Bush and the St. Louis Cardinals, you really have a thing for believing in lost causes

[Jopal78]

Honestly there is no reason to have players on the 26 man roster with eras over 5.50 and OPS under .650.

They couldn’t possibly be worse if they released all those players tomorrow and called up players from the minors.

[brewmann04]

I lose a lot of restfor this team of Bush is still on this team tomorrow 

[Jim French Stepstool]

6 minutes ago, BruisedCrew said:

 

Maybe they feel they need him to cover multiple innings sometime this weekend given how heavily used the other relievers have been and how even the supposed aces of the staff have trouble going 6 innings. 
 

 

An important point, one I've lamented in past threads. We're obviously in an era of heavy BP usage & most likely always will be. But it astounds me how often we have to cover over 3 innings.

That's where Woodruff could help. I thought he was just entering into the part of his career where he could be a real horse every 5 days.

[Joseph Zarr]

The Sounds have so many better bullpen options than Matt Bush...on the Sounds. For Sounds games. You just can't tell me he's a needed option for the Milwaukee Brewers bullpen - which is a very good bullpen. Heck, I take Megill and Strzelecki before Matt Bush any day of the week. Then, you can give me Andrews and Uribe. Then, I'm getting creative with Gasser in any type of inning-eating role.

SO, that leaves me with Bush in the Sounds bullpen on a tier with:

RHP J.C. Mejía
RHP Tyson Miller
LHP Alex Claudio
LHP Ethan Small
LHP Darrell Thompson

That's where I see Matt Bush living.

[wiguy94]

2 minutes ago, Joseph Zarr said:

The Sounds have so many better bullpen options than Matt Bush...on the Sounds. For Sounds games. You just can't tell me he's a needed option for the Milwaukee Brewers bullpen - which is a very good bullpen. Heck, I take Megill and Strzelecki before Matt Bush any day of the week. Then, you can give me Andrews and Uribe. Then, I'm getting creative with Gasser in any type of inning-eating role.

SO, that leaves me with Bush in the Sounds bullpen on a tier with:

RHP J.C. Mejía
RHP Tyson Miller
LHP Alex Claudio
LHP Ethan Small
LHP Darrell Thompson

That's where I see Matt Bush living.

Joseph, I will not allow you to slander Darrell Thompson like this!

[rickh150]

1 minute ago, wiguy94 said:

Between Matt Bush and the St. Louis Cardinals, you really have a thing for believing in lost causes

The guy is a pop up from a save… quarter of an inch. He gets a save and everybody attaboys him. Not his fault for throwing him in the 9th either. And on MLB.com most of his fastballs were still 95…. Maybe straight as a string idk.
And yes, I am the President of the Cards have about a 10% shot to make the playoffs, dare I say not zero (which you agree with if you actually take good ol mathematics and book learning’ into the equation).

[Joseph Zarr]

7 minutes ago, wiguy94 said:

Joseph, I will not allow you to slander Darrell Thompson like this!

That is a very fair comment. He's been fantastic of late as we both know. You could very easily place him atop that tier. OR, even better, and maybe this will repair the rift I have irresponsibly placed between us:

In a tier. By. Himself.

[wiguy94]

30 minutes ago, rickh150 said:

The guy is a pop up from a save… quarter of an inch. He gets a save and everybody attaboys him. Not his fault for throwing him in the 9th either. And on MLB.com most of his fastballs were still 95…. Maybe straight as a string idk.
And yes, I am the President of the Cards have about a 10% shot to make the playoffs, dare I say not zero (which you agree with if you actually take good ol mathematics and book learning’ into the equation).

The dude got absolutely rocked lol. He gave up a hard hit line drive single, a rocket double from Cutch (that would have been a HR at AmFam), and a rocket HR to Santana. He's absolute garbage. Brewers probably have at least 10 better RP in the minors than him at this very moment.

[willie key]

I still can’t believe that bush was on the roster to even pitch tonight.  
 

the guy has been as bad as anyone  

[Pugger]

2 hours ago, Jim French Stepstool said:

This is very similar to what happened to Showalter in Philly. Guys were deemed not available, he went to the "B" team, and they lost it for him. The way CC worked this can be ripped but he's not out on some island where no other managers do the same thing, in the same circumstances. I was hoping for Wilson. He was deemed not available. The End.

I just think it was asinine pitching to Santana.

 

I think I can count on one hand the number of times CC instructed one of his pitchers to intentionally walk a hot hitter in this type of situation.

 

[Jim French Stepstool]

A few words about Uribe........

Just like everyone else, I'm not privy to the organizational meetings, progress reports & the like. But if I had to guess as to why Uribe isn't coming here yet I come up with three reasons:

They want to see him throw strikes on a more consistent basis.

They like him being on a schedule at this point in his development; meaning in Nashville he can be predetermined to work X number of times a week, and throw X number of pitches. If he's in the Milwaukee bullpen you can't really control that.

If he's up here, he's behind some other guys & wouldn't get the regular work referenced in point #2. It would've been nice to have him last night ,but how many times are our top 5 relievers going to be unavailable?

 

[Jim French Stepstool]

8 minutes ago, Pugger said:

I think I can count on one hand the number of times CC instructed one of his pitchers to intentionally walk a hot hitter in this type of situation.

 

In that situation, it used to never happen. Nowadays you see it, although it's relatively rare.

The way Bush was getting caked & the way Santana was hitting the ball this was one of those times. Treat him like Barry Bonds.

[wiguy94]

14 minutes ago, Jim French Stepstool said:

A few words about Uribe........

Just like everyone else, I'm not privy to the organizational meetings, progress reports & the like. But if I had to guess as to why Uribe isn't coming here yet I come up with three reasons:

They want to see him throw strikes on a more consistent basis.

They like him being on a schedule at this point in his development; meaning in Nashville he can be predetermined to work X number of times a week, and throw X number of pitches. If he's in the Milwaukee bullpen you can't really control that.

If he's up here, he's behind some other guys & wouldn't get the regular work referenced in point #2. It would've been nice to have him last night ,but how many times are our top 5 relievers going to be unavailable?

I should add he needs some more time in AAA adjusting to not having the tacky baseballs. Last appearance was his first without a BB. 
 

He’s also only thrown 105 total innings since 2018. He still does not have much professional experience as a pitcher. 

[HarryDoyle]

This is where the six man rotation really bit them in the tushy.

[Nola Beery]

9 hours ago, sveumrules said:

The Brewers bullpen lost their 10th game tonight, fewest in the majors.

Entering the game Brewers relievers had the highest Win Probability Added in baseball.

CC’s bullpen usage has lead to the Brewers being the best team so far this season at not blowing winnable games.

But it’s a long season and guys can’t pitch every single game, sometimes they need a rest.

Trying to refute my assertion with FACTS and LOGIC again?! Stop it!  OK, so you have a point about our bullpen having been good.  Still, could we not have done better than those 2? Was there NO ONE better who could to suck it up and get out there for an inning?  Maybe that's 21st Century baseball, but blowing a solid lead by giving up 5 runs in the last 3 innings stinks anyway you slice it.  

[adambr2]

9 hours ago, rickh150 said:

95 were most of his fastballs…

95 was hard in like 2003. 

[tonyei31]

8 minutes ago, Nola Beery said:

Trying to refute my assertion with FACTS and LOGIC again?! Stop it!  OK, so you have a point about our bullpen having been good.  Still, could we not have done better than those 2? Was there NO ONE better who could to suck it up and get out there for an inning?  Maybe that's 21st Century baseball, but blowing a solid lead by giving up 5 runs in the last 3 innings stinks anyway you slice it.  

With the days pitched from the Core 4 and Wilson it made no sense to bring them in.  Sucks that the results were what they were but we really needed another inning from Peralta last night with the down pen.  I don't know the rules on position players pitching in a close game but I am entirely convinced if Mike Brosseau was on the 26 man last night we win that game with his 65-70 mph junkball with movement getting us the 9th.  That's how far Bush has fallen in my mind.   

[treego14]

[sveumrules]

1 hour ago, Nola Beery said:

Trying to refute my assertion with FACTS and LOGIC again?! Stop it!  OK, so you have a point about our bullpen having been good.  Still, could we not have done better than those 2? Was there NO ONE better who could to suck it up and get out there for an inning?  Maybe that's 21st Century baseball, but blowing a solid lead by giving up 5 runs in the last 3 innings stinks anyway you slice it.  

No doubt it stinks, was just trying to provide some perspective.

I’d love to have had two better options than Pannone (who I actually thought pitched OK given the circumstances) and Bush last night, but having five reliable bullpen arms is already two or three more than many teams have so I’m not sure how realistic that is.