Brewers (Woodruff) vs Rangers (Heaney): 8/18/23, 7:05pm

[Baldkin]

I miss Suter

[yourout]

Just now, HarryDoyle said:

Has anyone at JSOnline watched Chafin pitch lately?

Guys like this need a stat column....NLIS - No Lead Is Safe with a checkbox.

[shanedog19]

3 minutes ago, Brewcrew82 said:

I don't know if they're ready to do that yet.

Call up Andrews and start getting Gasser some relief work in the meantime.  

I think it’s going to take outside the box thinking to take us to another level. I don’t think they are ready to do it yet either but they should at least be discussing it. 

[wallus]

We won and that's all that matters at the moment to me. Good to see the offense wake up.

[yourout]

12 minutes ago, RobertCrawley said:

SALVATORE!!!!

The guy just contributes in every game in some way. Even without gaudy batting averages and power numbers he finds a way to help.

[Brewcrew82]

2 minutes ago, shanedog19 said:

I think it’s going to take outside the box thinking to take us to another level. I don’t think they are ready to do it yet either but they should at least be discussing it. 

Yeah. I just think we're more likely to see Gasser than Misiorowski at this point. I wouldn't be shocked if we did see Mis later on, though. 

[RobertCrawley]

2 minutes ago, yourout said:

The guy just contributes in every game in some way. Even without gaudy batting averages and power numbers he finds a way to help.

Also great work by the organization drafting and developing Salvatore!

[yourout]

14 minutes ago, RobertCrawley said:

Also great work by the organization drafting and developing Salvatore!

I really hope they don't mess with his game.

Let him get at bats and learn the nuances of Big League baseball but do not try and turn him into a power hitter or something he's not. For god sakes leave that swing alone.

[BrewerFan]

20 minutes ago, Brewcrew82 said:

Yeah. I just think we're more likely to see Gasser than Misiorowski at this point. I wouldn't be shocked if we did see Mis later on, though. 

I really don't want to even plan on Misiorowski until '25, or late '24. He is just not close to being ready to be an MLB starter. Let him get some more innings in AA, then, in AZ, in the lab, he can work on that cutter, change and...maybe a CB. And then I'd start him in AA again next year. As good as these young guys are, IF they're better than who they'd replace on the roster isn't significant enough to start their clock and sacrifice their development. 

But if you bring him up now, he's not going to develop that 3rd pitch as it's sink or swim. You're not going to be giving him 4-5-6 innings, he'll be a reliever. And as electric as he is, his command isn't where it needs to be either. 

 

I like the aggressive promotion, but we really need him to develop into a starter. I feel like this would end up with him more likely becoming a reliever. And I get Burnes and Woody did it, but they were both 3 year College pitchers. He's already ahead of their schedule. That is a deGrom like arm and if things go according to plan, he steps in as a TOR arm for '25 when Burnes and Woodruff are likely to be gone.

[treego14]

Nice win ... get some rest!

Continue to show we are 

the Central's best!

Turn the page, and 

let this win age!

 

[Robocaller]

1 hour ago, shanedog19 said:

I think it’s going to take outside the box thinking to take us to another level. I don’t think they are ready to do it yet either but they should at least be discussing it. 

outside the box thinking usually fails. 

 

[wiguy94]

54 minutes ago, BrewerFan said:

maybe a CB.

Misiorowski already throws a curveball and it is a very good pitch. 

[Oxy]

I would love it if Mis and Gasser are bullpen arms for September and the postseason.  What is the downside? They get experience as the 6th/7th guys out of the pen. If they flourish, awesome! if they suck, so what? Chafin and Wilson already suck, and by no means would a few bad relief outings stunt their growth.  Next Spring they will be back on the starter track anyway.

[BrewerFan]

26 minutes ago, wiguy94 said:

Misiorowski already throws a curveball and it is a very good pitch. 

He has VERY seldom thrown a curve or really anything outside of a FB/SL.

And it's certainly not an effective pitch at this point. This isn't a shot at Misiorowski. He's got almost generational type arm talent and I suspect with his spin rate, his cutter could be a Burnes type pitch...but he has to improve the command. The curve is more of a slurve, but he just doesn't throw it reliably yet. 

 

Ultimately, this is a guy who's in AA...who in 21 IP, he's walked 16 and hit another 11 batters. He's hit 2,4, 0, 3, 2 batters in those 5 games. 27 in 21IP, plus the 17 hits is why you have a ~5.60 ERA. 

I'm extremely excited about this kid, but I don't think he's all that close to where he needs to be. 

[BrewerFan]

2 minutes ago, Oxy said:

I would love it if Mis and Gasser are bullpen arms for September and the postseason.  What is the downside? They get experience as the 6th/7th guys out of the pen. If they flourish, awesome! if they suck, so what? Chafin and Wilson already suck, and by no means would a few bad relief outings stunt their growth.  Next Spring they will be back on the starter track anyway.

Gasser is in a totally different group from Misiorowski. Gasser is ready. He can get the call at any time. I suspect they'd prefer to get through this year without having to add him to the 40 man, but that's not a good enough reason to not bring him up.

Misi, I already made my argument. I don't think it's good for his development. You're starting his clock and locking him into the 40 man at least a year before it actually makes sense to do so.

And again, he's struggled at AA as a whole. He's shown great things when looking at him as a prospect. How overpowering he can be is exciting. But how wild he is-is a clear sign he needs more time to develop. 

[csbysam]

It’s getting to the point I dream about chourio. Just needed to get that off my chest. 

[Oxy]

3 minutes ago, BrewerFan said:

Gasser is in a totally different group from Misiorowski. Gasser is ready. He can get the call at any time. I suspect they'd prefer to get through this year without having to add him to the 40 man, but that's not a good enough reason to not bring him up.

Misi, I already made my argument. I don't think it's good for his development. You're starting his clock and locking him into the 40 man at least a year before it actually makes sense to do so.

And again, he's struggled at AA as a whole. He's shown great things when looking at him as a prospect. How overpowering he can be is exciting. But how wild he is-is a clear sign he needs more time to develop. 

As long as neither are sent back down this year they won't burn an option.  If the plan would be to keep them in the minors at least thru next April/May then starting their clock isn't a big deal either.  I think the upside would be worth it (at least for Gasser...Mis might be too young/green)

[wiguy94]

13 minutes ago, BrewerFan said:

He has VERY seldom thrown a curve or really anything outside of a FB/SL.

And it's certainly not an effective pitch at this point. This isn't a shot at Misiorowski. He's got almost generational type arm talent and I suspect with his spin rate, his cutter could be a Burnes type pitch...but he has to improve the command. The curve is more of a slurve, but he just doesn't throw it reliably yet. 

Yeah this just isn’t remotely true. He throws 3 distinct pitches. A FB in the upper 90’s. A slider in the upper 80’s to low 90’s. A curveball in the low to mid 80’s. The slider and curveball have distinct shapes and he throws the curveball far more often than “very seldom”. 

[BrewerFan]

40 minutes ago, Oxy said:

As long as neither are sent back down this year they won't burn an option.  If the plan would be to keep them in the minors at least thru next April/May then starting their clock isn't a big deal either.  I think the upside would be worth it (at least for Gasser...Mis might be too young/green)

It's definitely worth it for Gasser, but Misiorowski just isn't close. He needs a lot more time. And you're putting him on the 40 man WELL before you need to or there's a good reason to. 

 

[BlightyBrew]

Good win for the club.  Have to give them credit.  It could of been so easy to see them fold when the Rangers took a 4-3 lead but they held firm and came back and held on to win.  Now if they get 1 of the next 2 they leave with a 5-4 road trip which I think would be a great, especially after the last three nights in LA.

Not going to be easy the next two games but for one night well done.  Get em tomorrow.

[Underachiever]

7 hours ago, Oxy said:

I would love it if Mis and Gasser are bullpen arms for September and the postseason.  What is the downside? They get experience as the 6th/7th guys out of the pen. If they flourish, awesome! if they suck, so what? Chafin and Wilson already suck, 

Do you really think that Wilson sucks? I think he’s been pretty good this year. At the very least, I don’t cringe when he comes in.

[Oxy]

59 minutes ago, Underachiever said:

Do you really think that Wilson sucks? I think he’s been pretty good this year. At the very least, I don’t cringe when he comes in.

Right.  He's been fine/good in his role.  To be fair the discussion should probably be about Gasser and Chafin as Misiorowski and Wilson  are each in a different class.