Brewers (Burnes) vs Yankees (Cole): 9/10/23, 12:35pm

[Jim French Stepstool]

46 minutes ago, Brewcrew82 said:

https://x.com/adammccalvy/status/1700998287984361901?s=46&t=6qHppUIKVZAHrSmvysdA1A

So Wilson wasn't even on the horizon. OK.

Now I'm just down to b****ing about no bunt from Monasterio lol.

Oh, and the plate discipline. It's been mostly real good, it wasn't today. Cole had a few walks in him on 3-2 pitches & we didn't extract any. Could've gotten in their pen an inning earlier, which may have made a difference in extras.

[TURBO]

Corbin Burnes was pulled from Sunday’s start against the Yankees after eight innings of no-hit baseball due to a sprained ankle.

 

Burnes threw 109 pitches in the ballgame, so it was unlikely that he was going to return for the ninth inning anyways, but the ankle may have also played a role in his removal. He suffered the injury on the final play of the seventh inning. Burnes told reporters after the game that he was fine and should be able to make his next start.

 

1h ago

Source: Adam McCalvy

[willie key]

My gosh what a disaster this game was.    

[willie key]

Bears freaking suck though.     

[Jim French Stepstool]

1 hour ago, Brewcrew82 said:

I’m thinking Donaldson is inserted to the lineup every time against LHP given how he hits against them. 

Monasterio moving to 2B helps w negate what we’re getting from Turang right now vs LHP.

Donaldson not in the lineup today for N'Ville. And he had a scheduled day off a couple days ago. So I'm guessing we see him tomorrow.

[Brewcrew82]

49 minutes ago, TURBO said:

Corbin Burnes was pulled from Sunday’s start against the Yankees after eight innings of no-hit baseball due to a sprained ankle.

 

Burnes threw 109 pitches in the ballgame, so it was unlikely that he was going to return for the ninth inning anyways, but the ankle may have also played a role in his removal. He suffered the injury on the final play of the seventh inning. Burnes told reporters after the game that he was fine and should be able to make his next start.

 

1h ago

Source: Adam McCalvy

I don't think Burnes was pulled because of the ankle considering the injury happened and he went out the next inning. I'm sure pitch count had more to do with it. 

[Bulldogboy]

The new rule keeping rosters at 28 instead of 40 hurts Counsell big time. He used to be the master at the expanded bullpen. He has struggled with not having lots of options. 

[Never Outhustled]

7 minutes ago, Bulldogboy said:

The new rule keeping rosters at 28 instead of 40 hurts Counsell big time. He used to be the master at the expanded bullpen. He has struggled with not having lots of options. 

I don't think more relievers would have helped him,  as he never used the fresh armed Vierra today. 

[Never Outhustled]

1 hour ago, Jim French Stepstool said:

So Wilson wasn't even on the horizon. OK.

Now I'm just down to b****ing about no bunt from Monasterio lol.

Oh, and the plate discipline. It's been mostly real good, it wasn't today. Cole had a few walks in him on 3-2 pitches & we didn't extract any. Could've gotten in their pen an inning earlier, which may have made a difference in extras.

Should have ran a double steal, no need to bunt. 

[Robocaller]

Boy, other teams must be licking their chops at the possibility of facing Burnes, Woodruff, and Peralta in a short series. We do pretty well when those guys aren't starting.

[Robocaller]

1 hour ago, TURBO said:

Corbin Burnes was pulled from Sunday’s start against the Yankees after eight innings of no-hit baseball due to a sprained ankle.

 

Burnes threw 109 pitches in the ballgame, so it was unlikely that he was going to return for the ninth inning anyways, but the ankle may have also played a role in his removal. He suffered the injury on the final play of the seventh inning. Burnes told reporters after the game that he was fine and should be able to make his next start.

 

1h ago

Source: Adam McCalvy

It must be an extremely minor "sprain" or he wouldn't be pitching in his next start. 

[treego14]

2 hours ago, willie key said:

My gosh what a disaster this game was.    

We would have won if we could have kept the no-hitter going for 11 or 12 innings ... come on, Chris Hook!

[yourout]

12 minutes ago, treego14 said:

We would have won if we could have kept the no-hitter going for 11 or 12 innings ... come on, Chris Hook!

Brings to mind the question what is the longest no hitter game ever?

[Brian]

Longest no hitter ever was 17 innings

http://research.sabr.org/journals/17-inning-no-hitter#:~:text=It was no ordinary no,game in professional baseball history.&text=third.,first effort for the Colts.

[BruisedCrew]

3 hours ago, Jim French Stepstool said:

Donaldson not in the lineup today for N'Ville. And he had a scheduled day off a couple days ago. So I'm guessing we see him tomorrow.

Counsell said today that a call up of Donaldson is not imminent. 

[BruisedCrew]

21 minutes ago, yourout said:

Brings to mind the question what is the longest no hitter game ever?

Not a no hitter but Harvey Haddix pitched 12 perfect innings against the Braves in 1959 but lost in the 13th. 

[treego14]

22 minutes ago, yourout said:

Brings to mind the question what is the longest no hitter game ever?

I know Harvey Haddix pitched a no-hitter through 12 innings against the Milwaukee Braves at Milwaukee County Stadium for the Pittsburgh Pirates but lost the no-hitter and the game in the 13th inning.

[BruisedCrew]

12 hours ago, sveumrules said:

Because the season as a whole numbers are dragged down by a bunch of players who are no longer receiving plate appearances.

Since June 16, so almost three months now, the Brewers have been running a 94 wRC+ while going 45-29 over that stretch.

No great shakes, but also a large improvement over the 78 wRC+ they posted from 0420 to 0615 after the 14-5 start (where they posted a 102 wRC+).

How does that compare to the other teams that are likely to be in the NL playoffs.? The Brewers should be compared to championship contenders not bottom feeders. 
 

For most of my life being the fourth best team in the league would have meant a 0% chance of making the World Series.

[Team Canada]

5 hours ago, Nola Beery said:

BOTTOM LINE: BREWERS CAN'T HIT!

This is an interesting response after scoring lots of runs the first two games and then facing Cole today. I guess if you want to complain about a couple of innings against their bullpen, ok, but doesn't seem very reasonable.

I assume all the Yankees fans are raging about how their hitters suck if they can't hit Burnes and Williams.

[endaround]

Well the Yankee hitters do suck.  I mean you have Judge and Torres and then a bunch of hitters that would look at home on the Brewers.

[sveumrules]

37 minutes ago, BruisedCrew said:

How does that compare to the other teams that are likely to be in the NL playoffs.? The Brewers should be compared to championship contenders not bottom feeders. 

The current World Series Odds for NL teams at FanGraphs are...

ATL (30.4%) LAD (12.2%) PHI (5.7%) MIL (4.3%) CHI (2.2%) ARI (1.2%) SFG (1.1%) MIA (0.8%)

The combination of the Brewers having one of the weakest offenses among playoff hopefuls, but also one of the best run prevention units makes them something like the 4th best team in the NL at the moment in the eyes of the computers.

On today's date in 2022 the Phillies had 4% World Series odds. On today's date in 2021 the Braves had 6.7% World Series odds. On today's date in 2019 the Nationals were at 5.6% playoff odds.

The Dodgers were the NL World Series favorites on today's date in each of the last three full seasons (17.3% on 9/11/2019 and 20.0% on 9/11/2021 and 17.6% on 9/11/2022) and didn't make it out of the NL in any of those seasons.

The computers think this year's Braves are currently much better positioned than the Dodgers were in any of those three most recent full seasons, so maybe they break the streak of NL underdogs this year.

But yes, the odds are overwhelming that the Brewers offense will likely keep them out of the World Series, just like ten of the other playoff teams will fall short of the WS for some reason or another. Whichever way it shakes out, it beats being one of the 18 teams with 0.0% World Series odds after game 162.

[BruisedCrew]

6 hours ago, sveumrules said:

The current World Series Odds for NL teams at FanGraphs are...

ATL (30.4%) LAD (12.2%) PHI (5.7%) MIL (4.3%) CHI (2.2%) ARI (1.2%) SFG (1.1%) MIA (0.8%)

The combination of the Brewers having one of the weakest offenses among playoff hopefuls, but also one of the best run prevention units makes them something like the 4th best team in the NL at the moment in the eyes of the computers.

On today's date in 2022 the Phillies had 4% World Series odds. On today's date in 2021 the Braves had 6.7% World Series odds. On today's date in 2019 the Nationals were at 5.6% playoff odds.

The Dodgers were the NL World Series favorites on today's date in each of the last three full seasons (17.3% on 9/11/2019 and 20.0% on 9/11/2021 and 17.6% on 9/11/2022) and didn't make it out of the NL in any of those seasons.

The computers think this year's Braves are currently much better positioned than the Dodgers were in any of those three most recent full seasons, so maybe they break the streak of NL underdogs this year.

But yes, the odds are overwhelming that the Brewers offense will likely keep them out of the World Series, just like ten of the other playoff teams will fall short of the WS for some reason or another. Whichever way it shakes out, it beats being one of the 18 teams with 0.0% World Series odds after game 162.

I was talking about comparing the offensive numbers that you cited not odds for winning the World Series. 

[sveumrules]

3 hours ago, BruisedCrew said:

I was talking about comparing the offensive numbers that you cited not odds for winning the World Series. 

Right, I addressed that twice.

“one of the weakest offenses among playoff hopefuls” and “the odds are overwhelming that the Brewers offense will likely keep them out of the World Series”.

10 hours ago, BruisedCrew said:

For most of my life being the fourth best team in the league would have meant a 0% chance of making the World Series.

For most of your life only two teams in each league made the playoffs to begin with, so that’s irrelevant to the current format.

Last year the #6 seed, a team that won one more regular season than the Brewers, represented the NL in the WS.

In 2021 the Braves had the 5th most wins in the NL as the #3 seed, in 2019 the Nationals were a #4 seed with the 3rd most wins in the NL.

Recent history tells us the being something like the 4th best team in the league’s playoff field doesn’t preclude a club from bucking the odds that are stacked against them.

[BruisedCrew]

11 minutes ago, sveumrules said:

Right, I addressed that twice.

“one of the weakest offenses among playoff hopefuls” and “the odds are overwhelming that the Brewers offense will likely keep them out of the World Series”.

For most of your life only two teams in each league made the playoffs to begin with, so that’s irrelevant to the current format.

Last year the #6 seed, a team that won one more regular season than the Brewers, represented the NL in the WS.

In 2021 the Braves had the 5th most wins in the NL as the #3 seed, in 2019 the Nationals were a #4 seed with the 3rd most wins in the NL.

Recent history tells us the being something like the 4th best team in the league’s playoff field doesn’t preclude a club from bucking the odds that are stacked against them.

I don’t think it’s irrelevant to recognize that the expanded playoffs have allowed teams into the playoffs that would have been nowhere near them in many past seasons. It wasn’t that long ago that only 4 teams made the playoffs.

I also think it’s reasonable for fans to feel better about their team if their chances of playoff success are greater than not being precluded from bucking long odds. 

If the Brewers do make the playoffs this will probably be the worst odds they have had when entering the postseason, not counting the phony 2020 season and maybe 2008 when they limped in with a weakened pitching staff and a team in a major hitting slump. At least that team had one less round to navigate.

The teams in 1981, 1982, 2011, 2018, 2019, and 2021 were, in varying degrees, more impressive teams in absolute terms and relative to the competition than this one. 

 

[sveumrules]

38 minutes ago, BruisedCrew said:

The teams in 1981, 1982, 2011, 2018, 2019, and 2021 were, in varying degrees, more impressive teams in absolute terms and relative to the competition than this one. 

2019 team was missing Yelich and needed to beat a superior Nats team on the road to even get into the NLDS,

FanGraphs had them with 0.9% WS Odds before almost stealing that wild card game from the eventual Champs.

Either way, even with this offense, we’ve been watching at worst something like the 6th/7th best team in the franchise’s 50+ year history.

I’ve enjoyed the ride and look forward to the currently unknown details of exactly how it ends, even with the overwhelming likelihood that’s it’s just another 2023 NL Central Champs or 2023 Wild Card banner painted on the stadium wall.