Baltimore Orioles Looking for a high end reliever and starting pitcher. Looks to me like they should begin the trade dance with Milwaukee

[Rick Daltons Flamethrower]

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/baltimore-orioles

I am thinking a Burnes and Delvin Williams package to the Orioles who are just oozing in good young players. Your thoughts?

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[wibadgers23]

Makes way too much sense to happen which means it won’t.

[nate82]

Looks like they are more willing to spend than trade.  I think they will get Cease and then sign someone like A. Chapman or maybe Hader.

I just don’t believe the O’s will give up the prospects needed in a Burnes trade or a Burnes and Williams trade.

[jay87shot]

I could see Burnes but I doubt they give up prospects for Williams. They have 2 of the best relievers in the AL even if Bautista is out this year it would become a bit redundant. I would think they sign an older reliever or two with backend experience. Otherwise Payamps would make more sense for them at a lower package.

[Matt Breen]

Williams and Burnes for pitcher DL Hall, 3B Coby Mayo, and 2B Connor Norby.

Hall moves into the rotation. Mayo goes to 3B (or 1B if the team doesn't like him at 3B), Norby gets a shot at 2B.

Ideally we get more than one pitcher, but this is what I came up with. I like IF Joey Ortiz as well, but that's getting too pricey for Baltimore. 

[nate82]

6 minutes ago, reillymcshane said:

Hall moves into the rotation.

Count me not all that impressed with Hall.  To me he is the one you want to stay away from. 

[BrewerFan]

1 hour ago, jay87shot said:

I could see Burnes but I doubt they give up prospects for Williams. They have 2 of the best relievers in the AL even if Bautista is out this year it would become a bit redundant. I would think they sign an older reliever or two with backend experience. Otherwise Payamps would make more sense for them at a lower package.

I mean...high leverage relievers are never redundant, especially not when their top reliever is out for next year. They're a 100-win team with the most young talent in the league. You need a dominant Pen to win it usually. 

I'll gladly go Williams and Burnes for the right package. 

[Redd Vencher]

59 minutes ago, reillymcshane said:

Williams and Burnes for pitcher DL Hall, 3B Coby Mayo, and 2B Connor Norby.

Hall moves into the rotation. Mayo goes to 3B (or 1B if the team doesn't like him at 3B), Norby gets a shot at 2B.

Ideally we get more than one pitcher, but this is what I came up with. I like IF Joey Ortiz as well, but that's getting too pricey for Baltimore. 

Hall isn't a SP with his abysmal command. 0 interest in this deal.

[Brock Beauchamp]

For the last 13 months I've been waiting for the Orioles to do something and they still really haven't.

So I've basically written them off until they prove I should pay attention.

[Brewcrew82]

1 hour ago, Brock Beauchamp said:

For the last 13 months I've been waiting for the Orioles to do something and they still really haven't.

So I've basically written them off until they prove I should pay attention.

Elias is the definition of a prospect hoarder. 

[Madhawk23]

46 minutes ago, Brewcrew82 said:

Elias is the definition of a prospect hoarder. 

At some point though, don't you have to use some of that prospect capital to make your big league team better?  They don't have enough positions to play all of these hitting prospects, and most of them are guys that are knocking on the MLB door.  

[Brock Beauchamp]

58 minutes ago, Madhawk23 said:

At some point though, don't you have to use some of that prospect capital to make your big league team better?  They don't have enough positions to play all of these hitting prospects, and most of them are guys that are knocking on the MLB door.  

You'd think so but they legitimately had a good core at the end of the 2022 season and played all of 2023 with a good team with holes in it. Yet they still didn't do anything worth mentioning.

[Playing Catch]

5 hours ago, Brock Beauchamp said:

For the last 13 months I've been waiting for the Orioles to do something and they still really haven't.

So I've basically written them off until they prove I should pay attention.

This is exactly my thoughts as well. It just seems that some teams are destined to not trade with each other no matter how much sense it makes.

In many different seasons of the past, I've felt that the Brewers and Twins were perfect trade partners, but nothing ever happens. I actually think that small market teams in opposite leagues SHOULD deal with each other. I'm hopeful that the Brewers and Rays can continue to work together to balance their rosters. It's way better than trading with the Dodgers.

[TURBO]

Burnes and Williams for Jackson Holliday.

A lot to give up, and the O's would have to at the very least think about it, right?

Adding an Ace and MLB's best closer in one deal!  Losing the career of Holliday though, they wouldn't do it.  

Imagine Chourio and Holliday for the next 8 years!

Dreaming is free!

[Rick Daltons Flamethrower]

34 minutes ago, TURBO said:

Burnes and Williams for Jackson Holliday.

A lot to give up, and the O's would have to at the very least think about it, right?

Adding an Ace and MLB's best closer in one deal!  Losing the career of Holliday though, they wouldn't do it.  

Imagine Chourio and Holliday for the next 8 years!

Dreaming is free!

I like that dream :)

[brewcrewdue80]

Not that Baltimore would do it, but Grayson Rodriguez for Burnes and Williams seems better tailored for what Milwaukee needs.

[TURBO]

33 minutes ago, brewcrewdue80 said:

Not that Baltimore would do it, but Grayson Rodriguez for Burnes and Williams seems better tailored for what Milwaukee needs.

Great thought, but then they would only be replacing GR with Burnes instead of adding to him in their rotation.

I like that thought though!

[Madhawk23]

15 hours ago, TURBO said:

Burnes and Williams for Jackson Holliday.

A lot to give up, and the O's would have to at the very least think about it, right?

Adding an Ace and MLB's best closer in one deal!  Losing the career of Holliday though, they wouldn't do it.  

Imagine Chourio and Holliday for the next 8 years!

Dreaming is free!

I know this idea was brought up somewhat in jest, but what would people put the odds of a deal like this happening?  Close to zero?

Big risk for the Brewers to do a 2-1 deal like this.  I know Holliday is as close to a "can't miss" as you can get, but as we know with prospects - crazy things do happen (injuries being one), and there's always a chance that he doesn't pan out in the majors.  Tough to deal both Burnes and Williams and only get one guy back in return (even if he is projected to be a stud).

And, on the O's side - it's obviously hard to see them trading Holliday away for anyone - even if it was someone like Mike Trout.  Yes, they'd be improving their pitching in a HUGE way, but they'd have a lot of egg on their face in a few years if Burnes/Williams don't help them win a WS, and Holliday turns into the stud player than everyone is projecting him to be.  

So again, I ask: are the odds pretty much zilch that a deal like this would ever get consumated?  Both sides say "no" to something like this, or would Arnold and co. say "yes" due to the projection of Holliday?  

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

43 minutes ago, Madhawk23 said:

I know this idea was brought up somewhat in jest, but what would people put the odds of a deal like this happening?  Close to zero?

Big risk for the Brewers to do a 2-1 deal like this.  I know Holliday is as close to a "can't miss" as you can get, but as we know with prospects - crazy things do happen (injuries being one), and there's always a chance that he doesn't pan out in the majors.  Tough to deal both Burnes and Williams and only get one guy back in return (even if he is projected to be a stud).

And, on the O's side - it's obviously hard to see them trading Holliday away for anyone - even if it was someone like Mike Trout.  Yes, they'd be improving their pitching in a HUGE way, but they'd have a lot of egg on their face in a few years if Burnes/Williams don't help them win a WS, and Holliday turns into the stud player than everyone is projecting him to be.  

So again, I ask: are the odds pretty much zilch that a deal like this would ever get consumated?  Both sides say "no" to something like this, or would Arnold and co. say "yes" due to the projection of Holliday?  

I don't know if I've ever seen two established, high-end MLB stars traded for one prospect. Holliday is obviously as "high-end" as you are going to find as a prospect, but there are still unknowns with him. 

[wiguy94]

48 minutes ago, Madhawk23 said:

I know this idea was brought up somewhat in jest, but what would people put the odds of a deal like this happening?  Close to zero?

Big risk for the Brewers to do a 2-1 deal like this.  I know Holliday is as close to a "can't miss" as you can get, but as we know with prospects - crazy things do happen (injuries being one), and there's always a chance that he doesn't pan out in the majors.  Tough to deal both Burnes and Williams and only get one guy back in return (even if he is projected to be a stud).

And, on the O's side - it's obviously hard to see them trading Holliday away for anyone - even if it was someone like Mike Trout.  Yes, they'd be improving their pitching in a HUGE way, but they'd have a lot of egg on their face in a few years if Burnes/Williams don't help them win a WS, and Holliday turns into the stud player than everyone is projecting him to be.  

So again, I ask: are the odds pretty much zilch that a deal like this would ever get consumated?  Both sides say "no" to something like this, or would Arnold and co. say "yes" due to the projection of Holliday?  

There’s a 0% chance of the Orioles making that trade. Brewers would absolutely do that trade. Giving up 1 year of Burnes and 2 years of Williams for 7 years of Holiday the #1 prospect in baseball would be an absolute home run by the Brewers.

[Matt Breen]

1 hour ago, wiguy94 said:

There’s a 0% chance of the Orioles making that trade. Brewers would absolutely do that trade. Giving up 1 year of Burnes and 2 years of Williams for 7 years of Holiday the #1 prospect in baseball would be an absolute home run by the Brewers.

Agree. The team would do this deal in a heartbeat if it was offered. Holliday is too good of a talent to let go. Baltimore won't do it. They have other pieces they can deal. 

[Matt Breen]

Two steps here.

Step 1: Burnes and Williams to Orioles.

SS Joey Ortiz and 3B Coby Mayo and a lottery ticket or two) to Brewers

Ortiz and Turang are our new SS/2B combo. Mayo goes to 3B. Reports are somewhat mixed on his ability at 3B. He's got a huge arm, and might best fit in the OF, but we don't need him there. If he can't handle 3B, he moves to 1B and/or DH. He's a big, power hitting right-hander that we could really use.

Step 2: Adames to someone else for a starting pitcher. 

This probably isn't as easy as I make it sound - but find someone to get a young starter who is ready - or nearly ready - for the majors. Example would be Ryan Pepiot of the Dodgers. The goal would be to have a young arm to replace Burnes. No, he won't replace Burnes' production, but at least be serviceable. 

In the end, you add six years of a couple of good looking position players - including a power bat in Mayo that the team lacks. 

[Madhawk23]

51 minutes ago, reillymcshane said:

Two steps here.

Step 1: Burnes and Williams to Orioles.

SS Joey Ortiz and 3B Coby Mayo and a lottery ticket or two) to Brewers

Ortiz and Turang are our new SS/2B combo. Mayo goes to 3B. Reports are somewhat mixed on his ability at 3B. He's got a huge arm, and might best fit in the OF, but we don't need him there. If he can't handle 3B, he moves to 1B and/or DH. He's a big, power hitting right-hander that we could really use.

Step 2: Adames to someone else for a starting pitcher. 

This probably isn't as easy as I make it sound - but find someone to get a young starter who is ready - or nearly ready - for the majors. Example would be Ryan Pepiot of the Dodgers. The goal would be to have a young arm to replace Burnes. No, he won't replace Burnes' production, but at least be serviceable. 

In the end, you add six years of a couple of good looking position players - including a power bat in Mayo that the team lacks. 

I'm 100% with you here @reillymcshane  It just makes way too much sense to trade Burnes and Williams to the O's and get back a couple of their young, stud hitting prospects.....especially Coby May.  Then, turn around and deal Adames to the Dodgers for 1-2 of their MLB ready pitching prospects.  

[Fear The Chorizo]

Specific to both Burnes and Williams, the calculus the Brewers have to weigh is what sort of dip in return value would there be if they simply go into 2024 with both and then decide to trade either at this year's deadline if they aren't in playoff contention come mid-June?  And, if that dip in value is worth starting one more season with Burnes leading their rotation and Williams anchoring their bullpen with a shot at making a playoff run.  I think that carries alot of value in a division that is still very much the Brewers to win again based on who the NL Central teams currently have on their rosters - because of that I think they can kind of sit on the sidelines in a holding pattern until a few key free agency and other trades happen, then make a more informed decision on how to proceed with Burnes/Williams.

With Burnes, I think you'd see a significant drop in terms of trade value waiting until July instead of dealing him now after the Ohtani and Yamamoto sweepstakes are resolved.  With Williams, I can actually see his value increasing at the deadline.

Baltimore does seem like an ideal trade partner who definitely has the prospects that could pry either or both of these proven MLB talents away from the Brewers - I think any offer from them needs to knock the Brewers' socks off for either of them to be dealt before Opening Day.

[Brewcrew82]

1 hour ago, reillymcshane said:

Two steps here.

Step 1: Burnes and Williams to Orioles.

SS Joey Ortiz and 3B Coby Mayo and a lottery ticket or two) to Brewers

Ortiz and Turang are our new SS/2B combo. Mayo goes to 3B. Reports are somewhat mixed on his ability at 3B. He's got a huge arm, and might best fit in the OF, but we don't need him there. If he can't handle 3B, he moves to 1B and/or DH. He's a big, power hitting right-hander that we could really use.

Step 2: Adames to someone else for a starting pitcher. 

This probably isn't as easy as I make it sound - but find someone to get a young starter who is ready - or nearly ready - for the majors. Example would be Ryan Pepiot of the Dodgers. The goal would be to have a young arm to replace Burnes. No, he won't replace Burnes' production, but at least be serviceable. 

In the end, you add six years of a couple of good looking position players - including a power bat in Mayo that the team lacks. 

I honestly would prefer to deal Burnes for high-upside starting pitching. It’s the one thing we lack in our organization right now aside from Misiorowski and then Knoth further down.

Something like Burnes (and maybe Adames) for one of or multiple:

Sheehan, Pepiot, Frasso, AJSS, Waldrep, Abel, Hall, etc.