Is there a deal to be had with the Padres?

[StearnsFTW]

2 hours ago, Matt said:

Leodalis De Vries. He was the top International Signing of 2024. Switch hitting SS with power from both sides. 

That would seem like a massive mistake on San Diego's part.  Do all that work to build a relationship with a 17 year old and then trade him immediately?  Yikes.

[markedman5]

Padres apparently had or have interest in Frelick

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2024/02/padres-have-shown-interest-in-sal-frelick.html

[Warning Track Power]

I will irrationally angry if the Brewers deal Frelick. He is the exact type of hitter that they have not had in Milwaukee since…prime Cirillo? I see Frelick as a guy who has .320/.380 with 40-50 2B, 10 3B, 30 SB potential from the lead off spot (yes I know Yelich has 2 batting titles, but different type of hitter) if he reaches his ceiling. 
 

Build the entire team out of Frelick and Tyler Black type hitters (high AVG/high OBP). Deal Mitchell or Wiemer before Frelick. 

[MNBrew]

4 hours ago, markedman5 said:

Padres apparently had or have interest in Frelick

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2024/02/padres-have-shown-interest-in-sal-frelick.html

The key word in the opening statement in that post is that they inquired "at some point."  The discovery of this is new, but that's it.  Might be very old news.  And it means absolutely zero in terms of the Brewers' interest in listening to SD or trading Frelick -- just that the Padres like him, which is pretty much non-news.

As a buddy of mine noted, Jesse Winker just signed an NRI deal with Washington.  SD has like 2 legit OFs and even they didn't want him (and I don't blame 'em). . . . Point being, a) if SD's OF is indeed that lean on quality, it's natural that they'd have interested in anyone decent & cheap; and b) even if they're that desperate, that they'd pass on Winker, if nothing else, indicates that they at least have a half decent notion of quality. . . . Brains, budget, & sufficient attractive MLB-ready assets are different topics entirely -- To wit, I still don't get why they'd include a not-too-costly Grisham in the Soto trade to NY.

[jay87shot]

We would need a severe overpay for Frelick in my opinion. Weimer or Mitchell for at value would be easier. Honestly Perkins for the Padres makes alot of sense. Here is what I would want for each.

Frelick for Snelling and Marsee

Weimer/Mitchell for Thorpe/Iriate/Mazur and Lamar King Jr./Alek Jacob

Perkins for Ryan Bergert and lotto prospect.

[MrTPlush]

13 hours ago, Warning Track Power said:

I will irrationally angry if the Brewers deal Frelick. He is the exact type of hitter that they have not had in Milwaukee since…prime Cirillo? I see Frelick as a guy who has .320/.380 with 40-50 2B, 10 3B, 30 SB potential from the lead off spot (yes I know Yelich has 2 batting titles, but different type of hitter) if he reaches his ceiling. 
 

Build the entire team out of Frelick and Tyler Black type hitters (high AVG/high OBP). Deal Mitchell or Wiemer before Frelick. 

I can see where the Padres might think we would trade an OFer from our depth. Eventually our OF prospects (or young OFers) will be kinda low value on the trade market as their prospect status shine comes off. Odd man out, whoever that may be, may not be worth much.

That being said, Frelick is probably the best of the bunch and with the highest ceiling. I wouldn’t be against trading him (you’d be foolish to ever make someone untradable), but they don’t seem like a good trade partner. We would probably want to get something of a weakness (pitching) and they don’t really have that…I think.

It also doesn’t help we aren’t exactly a team that is a super obvious contender and are in some form of a rebuild. Thus, trading for MLB players is unlikely and prospect from prospect trades are pretty rare.

Let me clarify: I don't think they have a high enough ceiling pitcher that it would make sense to trade away Frelick.

[Lloyd330]

[nate82]

10 minutes ago, Lloyd330 said:

Padres reject that trade as they don’t need Adames.

[IntentionalHBP1]

1 hour ago, nate82 said:

Padres reject that trade as they don’t need Adames.

Padres stated that Bogaerts is moving to second base just now. Kim is switching for 2nd to SS but rumors have also been out they are looking to trade Kim.

[nate82]

41 minutes ago, IntentionalHBP1 said:

Padres stated that Bogaerts is moving to second base just now. Kim is switching for 2nd to SS but rumors have also been out they are looking to trade Kim.

The Padres also want a lot of prospects in return for Kim.  They are also looking at having Merrill playing at SS to start the season if they move Kim.  So Adames doesn’t fit with the Padres at all.  

[Fear The Chorizo]

I doubt any trade the Padres make would be one that winds up adding payroll to this year's club since they're basically on the verge of having to issue IOUs to make payroll

A young pre-arbitration OFer for a prospect package in return?  Makes alot of sense.

[ClearWaterWI]

I love Mitchell and Frelick but Wiemer worries me with his lack of patience in the batter’s box. He would be my choice to go if they dealt an OF. 

[Lloyd330]

1 hour ago, nate82 said:

The Padres also want a lot of prospects in return for Kim.  They are also looking at having Merrill playing at SS to start the season if they move Kim.  So Adames doesn’t fit with the Padres at all.  

Merrill will start the year in AAA - He can also play OF this year ( there OF is weak ) they could put Merrill in LF and Sal in CF

Bogs/Kim/Adames can play 3B/SS/2b and Machado can DH

So Adames does fit

[sveumrules]

4 minutes ago, Lloyd330 said:

Merrill will start the year in AAA - He can also play OF this year ( there OF is weak ) they could put Merrill in LF and Sal in CF

Bogs/Kim/Adames can play 3B/SS/2b and Machado can DH

So Adames does fit

Padres are trying to cut salary, so them giving up prospects to pay Adames $12.25M to play 2B (when his best attribute is SS defense) is probably unlikely at this point. Putting a gold glove calibre 3B at DH also puts a huge dent in Machado's value.

Can't imagine Willy would be too happy about moving off SS before hitting free agency either.

[CheezWizHed]

Frelick is probably a good fit for OF in SD, however. I can understand why they would want him.  He will hit a ton of doubles there and his speed and defense is maximized on their OF. 

[Scooterfletcher]

1 hour ago, CheezWizHed said:

Frelick is probably a good fit for OF in SD, however. I can understand why they would want him.  He will hit a ton of doubles there and his speed and defense is maximized on their OF. 

Highly doubt we’d trade him without smelling in the deal and we likely want a piece to help a bit this year as well.  

[CheezWizHed]

4 minutes ago, Scooterfletcher said:

Highly doubt we’d trade him without smelling in the deal and we likely want a piece to help a bit this year as well.  

Not saying we will or won't... just that he would maximize his skills (D and speed) there and minimize his weakness (power). 

[BrewerFan]

On 2/16/2024 at 2:10 PM, Lloyd330 said:

Merrill will start the year in AAA - He can also play OF this year ( there OF is weak ) they could put Merrill in LF and Sal in CF

Bogs/Kim/Adames can play 3B/SS/2b and Machado can DH

So Adames does fit

That's going a long way to make Adames fit...and Machado is expected to be able to play the IF this year. I don't think Adames is the guy they'll target. A SS a year away from FA when they have a lot of IF options is a lot more expensive than a Corner OFer in the same situation. 

For a team that's been tripping over themselves to trade off highly touted prospects, it's kinda incredible what they have in the cupboards right now.

I'd gladly take Lesko. Feels like the type of pitcher the Brewers do well with. I'd also include Williams in the deal...but I'd want back more than I'd assume the Padres are willing to trade...then again, assuming what prospects the Pads are willing to trade is usually a pointless endeavor. 

 I place very little value in the BTV simulator, but Frelick, Williams and Turang for Lesko and Merrill come out as almost a perfectly even deal(I know they're not trading Merrill...most likely).

[BrewerFan]

On 2/15/2024 at 7:19 PM, Warning Track Power said:

I will irrationally angry if the Brewers deal Frelick. He is the exact type of hitter that they have not had in Milwaukee since…prime Cirillo? I see Frelick as a guy who has .320/.380 with 40-50 2B, 10 3B, 30 SB potential from the lead off spot (yes I know Yelich has 2 batting titles, but different type of hitter) if he reaches his ceiling. 
 

Build the entire team out of Frelick and Tyler Black type hitters (high AVG/high OBP). Deal Mitchell or Wiemer before Frelick. 

Everyone's so worried about trading one of these OFers before their value drops. I'm more worried about trading one because we've got a surplus in the OF...leads to us trading someone too early.

Frelick has the highest floor. I'm not sure I see the .320/.380 with 40-60 2B/3B outcome being real likely, but I'd rather hold, wait and see who performs and if someone loses some luster by that point, so be it. 

You certainly need high Avg/OBP types, but it's sure nice to have a #5/6 hitter who hits .245 with a .350 OBP who can hit 30+ HRs and also play an elite CF. And Mitchell is somewhere in the middle of the two. 

If I had to deal one, it'd be Mitchell, but unless someone's going to offer up a nice pitching prospect we can do something with, then I'm more than happy hanging onto all 3 from this group.

[Scooterfletcher]

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2024/02/padres-remain-interested-in-outfield-addition.html
 

If we can get Snelling in a Mitchel/Wiemer deal then I’m aboard.