Brewers (Wilson) vs Pirates (Fleming): 4/24/24, 5:40pm

[yourout]

4 minutes ago, markedman5 said:

Winning road trip secured…….i hate these 4 gamers in Pittsburgh……some bad memories 

Amen. 

[wiguy94]

12 minutes ago, BruisedCrew said:

Another win with minimal offense, but the gift wrapped runs were enough. 

Not much bullpen left for tomorrow. 

Bullpen should be pretty fine for tomorrow.

I'd bet Payamps, Megill, Peguero, Uribe, Milner, Vieira are all available. Hudson is the only guy who likely is totally unavailable.

[Jim French Stepstool]

1 minute ago, wiguy94 said:

Bullpen should be pretty fine for tomorrow.

I'd bet Payamps, Megill, Peguero, Uribe, Milner, Vieira are all available. Hudson is the only guy who likely is totally unavailable.

Hard to say re the pen. It can be a funny thing when the turnaround is only 16-18 hours. But the late guys may all be available.

[Jim French Stepstool]

So, welcome to PNC, where bats turn to jelly, timely hits (mostly) disappear, gloves turn into trashcan lids & brain matter seemingly pours out of a hole in the back of our heads. Still, a win. Great pen work again.

I'm assuming MLB is now under the rules of NIL & unlimited transfers, and Turang & Frelick really like double steals so we let them try it so they don't get mad & go to some other team. Other than that I see no reason on Earth why you would try that with Contreras at the plate.

It looks like a Hiura-type dialogue may develop re Bauers & Tyler Black. And I get it. But Bauers has shown on a regular basis why he's here, whether people agree with it or not. Me, I can see both sides & I know Black has to get a whole lot better with the glove before something happens (barring injury).

 

[Sixtolezcano]

Last 7 games:

Hoskins   0.125/0.276/0.375

Perkins.   0.273/0.429/0.409

Ortiz.       0.079/0.250/0.079

Frelick.    0.182/0.250/0.182

Chourio   0.136/0.208/0.273

Wiemer   0.286/0.375/0.286

Contreras  0.321/0.387/0.357

Adames    0.250/0.323/0.321

Dunn     0.133/0.133/0.133

Hoskins   0.125.0.276/0.375

Miller     0.143/0.143/0.143

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[willie key]

Brewers are already in hang on mode until some players can come back and it’s only april

 

 ugh

[wiguy94]

10 minutes ago, Jim French Stepstool said:

Hard to say re the pen. It can be a funny thing when the turnaround is only 16-18 hours. But the late guys may all be available.

They all had pretty low pitch counts and were on multiple days rest coming in. It’d be pretty concerning if they weren’t able to turn around and be available tomorrow. Pitches in the last 5 days from tomorrow’s perspective

Peguero - 26

Megill - 16

Payamps - 20

 

[BruisedCrew]

24 minutes ago, markedman5 said:

Most of the high leverage guys only pitched an inning and were rested……if they get 6 from Freddy they should be ok.

It might be tougher coming right back in a day game after pitching a high leverage inning the night before. That’s not much time to recover. 

[Jim French Stepstool]

1 hour ago, markedman5 said:

I sure hope Hogg asks him after the game……I can’t believe Frelick did that on his own…..

Sophia: "Murph, how awesome would it have been if the double steal worked?"

[edfunderburk]

I hope Freddy can throw 7 innings tomorrow 

Our bullpen is working far too much thus far

[markedman5]

Murphy called the double steal but says that the runner on 3rd has to make the correct read……..says it was a mistake by Sal. “ it’s part of our offense……we will live and die by it”

I don’t like using it in that spot…….at all.

[RobertCrawley]

14 minutes ago, markedman5 said:

Murphy called the double steal but says that the runner on 3rd has to make the correct read……..says it was a mistake by Sal. “ it’s part of our offense……we will live and die by it”

I don’t like using it in that spot…….at all.

Why even think of a double steal at that juncture 

[Oxy]

8 minutes ago, markedman5 said:

Murphy called the double steal but says that the runner on 3rd has to make the correct read……..says it was a mistake by Sal. “ it’s part of our offense……we will live and die by it”

I don’t like using it in that spot…….at all.

Frelick was late...he and Jason Lane need to realize that a bad jump means GET BACK.  I don't have a problem with Turang stealing there, but the default should be a straight steal and if everything goes perfect or if nthe defense fumbles something then Frelick goes home.  Instead it seemed like the default was the double steal unless it's called off.

[BruisedCrew]

8 minutes ago, wiguy94 said:

They all had pretty low pitch counts and were on multiple days rest coming in. It’d be pretty concerning if they weren’t able to turn around and be available tomorrow. Pitches in the last 5 days from tomorrow’s perspective

Peguero - 26

Megill - 16

Payamps - 20

 

I think you also have to consider the cumulative effect of their usage so far. Most of them have already appeared in 10 games or more, and they can’t be doing that all season. 

Warming up and appearing in two games and throwing a total of 16 pitches is going to take more effort than throwing 16 pitches in one game. 

This heavy usage in April could come back to haunt the team in the form of injuries or loss of effectiveness down the road. 
 

 

[Jim French Stepstool]

9 minutes ago, edfunderburk said:

I hope Freddy can throw 7 innings tomorrow 

Our bullpen is working far too much thus far

Constantly getting 3.2, 4, 4.2 from the starters isn't good. But it seems to me like the innings load re the late guys has mostly been OK for now. And the AAA shuttle where a BP effectively has 10 or 11 guys makes it a little more manageable.

But for sure, we need to get more length from the starters.

[Oxy]

1 minute ago, BruisedCrew said:

I think you also have to consider the cumulative effect of their usage so far. Most of them have already appeared in 10 games or more, and they can’t be doing that all season. 

Warming up and appearing in two games and throwing a total of 16 pitches is going to take more effort than throwing 16 pitches in one game. 

This heavy usage in April could come back to haunt the team in the form of injuries or loss of effectiveness down the road. 
 

 

Williams is our best reliever and Megill could be our 2nd best reliever and they've not been used and barely been used respectively.  Obviously, I'd prefer if everybody was healthy but we aren't in a terrible spot as long as guys come back (Miley, Hall, Ashby as well...)

[RobertCrawley]

1 minute ago, Oxy said:

Williams is our best reliever and Megill could be our 2nd best reliever and they've not been used and barely been used respectively.  Obviously, I'd prefer if everybody was healthy but we aren't in a terrible spot as long as guys come back (Miley, Hall, Ashby as well...)

Hudson has been pretty darned good as well. It's good thing the Dodgers couldn't see it.

[BruisedCrew]

Miley going for a second image on his elbow because the first was inconclusive  does not sound encouraging. 
 

I’m not going to be shocked if he has a long term or season ending problem. 

[Jim French Stepstool]

3 minutes ago, Oxy said:

Williams is our best reliever and Megill could be our 2nd best reliever and they've not been used and barely been used respectively.  Obviously, I'd prefer if everybody was healthy but we aren't in a terrible spot as long as guys come back (Miley, Hall, Ashby as well...)

Great point. And you add a nice length option to the BP if Wilson eventually can return there. There's actually rotation depth, you just need to keep from having 4 or 5 of those options all down at the same time.

Although to be honest, I'm not thinking about being able to use "Ashby" and "effective" in the same sentence until '25. Hope I'm wrong.

[Brian]

Just got home and all I have to say is Wiemer is NOT Major League ready.

In fact I would drop him down to AA just to build him up some confidance, then AAA.

 

[Bulldogboy]

Considering the injury issues this team has and lack of pitching a first time manager is exactly what this team doesn't need. He is not inspiring confidence with brutal lineups and decisions. 

[sveumrules]

18 minutes ago, Bulldogboy said:

Considering the injury issues this team has and lack of pitching a first time manager is exactly what this team doesn't need. He is not inspiring confidence with brutal lineups and decisions. 

Murphy managed the Padres for 96 games in 2015. He is a second time manager.

The Brewers lack of pitching has produced a 3.37 ERA (7th in MLB) before giving up only two runs tonight.

[BruisedCrew]

4 hours ago, sveumrules said:

Murphy managed the Padres for 96 games in 2015. He is a second time manager.

The Brewers lack of pitching has produced a 3.37 ERA (7th in MLB) before giving up only two runs tonight.

I don’t think anyone is complaining about how effective the pitching has been so far. They have been able to win a significant number of games with very little offense. 

The concern is that the lack of runs combined with consistently short starts from the patchwork rotation is resulting in unsustainably heavy use of the bullpen, which is going to lead to problems down the road.

I really don’t blame Murphy for how the bullpen is being used because the team is getting involved in so many close, low scoring games. I also think the lack of offense is due to the lack of quality major league caliber hitters, not the sometimes head scratching batting orders he uses.

When a team is only getting 5 or 6 hits (or less) in a game, it’s going to be hard to score runs no matter what order the hitters are sent up.
 

 

[SeaBass]

Why are people assuming that the bullpen as currently constructed is going to be the same the whole season? If guys get "burned out" or become less effective due to perceived overuse then they bring in more arms. Call ups from the minors, free agency, trades. I see a lot of griping but you have to believe the organization has a plan. Murphy may be "new" but the guys in the front office are not.

Maybe we can wait until July or August to start panicking about running through pitchers instead of April.

[SeaBass]

RE: The failed double steal and Murphy doubling down on saying expect more. At worst he has planted the idea in the minds of opposing managers. Teams and players will have this in mind with runners on 1st and 3rd even more than usual. If it creates hesitation in decision making on straight steals of 2nd every little bit helps, yeah?

I didn't like the double steal last night and the execution by Sal was awful. Doesn't mean they shouldn't do it again. I'd prefer more straight stealing with Contreras at bat to stay out of the double play. If the runner at 3rd is going to try going home he needs to do better than Sal did last night.