Cubs (Brown) vs Brewers (Peralta): 5/28/24, 6:40pm

[Brock Beauchamp]

[treego14]

Freddy is ready to ...

put the Coun-frown on Brown!

[treego14]

 

[treego14]

Counsell still does not get the boos ... Hey, Craig ... you are booed because we thought you were one of us ... trying to topple the big pigs of MLB where large market teams have an inherit advantage in building/maintaining winning rosters!  

Instead, you joined the big pigs!  Good luck in Wrigs!  

You are going to need it!  We won't let you forget it!

You abandoned us!

I wish you and your family no ill or harm, but you left our farm for the tall buildings.  You are Eva Gabor and we love you no more!

[Guest]

Love seeing the Cubs lose and Craig over there now makes it a little more sweet.

That said... I hope time heals that relationshiop... Mark A deserves a lot more blame than he has gotten for the deterioration of that relationship. He tried to exploit the hometown discount piece a bit too much and it bit him in the arse (offering $16.5 million when the open market offers $40+ million... Mark is brilliant when it comes to finances, he knew what he was doing)

All that said, I can't imagine that CC would have done much, if any, better than what Murph has done this year ~ we haven't missed him. I know a few are ready to run Murph out of town (ridiculous) but I've been pleasantly surprised with how he has led the club thus far.

[Underachiever]

According to a tweet that went out when counsell signed, no other manager was making more than $4.5 mil a year. By your numbers, Craig got offered $5.5 a year. I don’t think you know what a hometown discount is. I don’t think Mark A did anything wrong. I booed along with everyone last night.

[Guest]

9 minutes ago, Underachiever said:

According to a tweet that went out when counsell signed, no other manager was making more than $4.5 mil a year. By your numbers, Craig got offered $5.5 a year. I don’t think you know what a hometown discount is. I don’t think Mark A did anything wrong. I booed along with everyone last night.

They are the reported numbers that were offered by both clubs, not "my numbers".

Not sure I'm following your logic here though.... open market was willing to pay $40+ million over 5 years, Mark A offered $16.5 over 3... Would we ever land a free agent in that scenario?

[Underachiever]

1 minute ago, EddieTheCousin said:

They are the reported numbers that were offered by both clubs, not "my numbers".

Not sure I'm following your logic here though.... open market was willing to pay $40+ million over 5 years, Mark A offered $16.5 over 3... Would we ever land a free agent in that scenario?

Mark is within his right to say Counsell wasn't worth it, at that dollar amount, if he even received the opportunity to match. Again, I don't think he did anything wrong, offering to make CC the highest paid manager. 

And no, if another team offers 2.5 times the money for a free agent player than what the Brewers offer, the Brewers will never land a free agent.

Counsell's gone, he wanted to be gone. I took issue with the term "hometown discount". I called them your numbers because I used what you typed ("$16.5") and divided it by three. I wasn't suggesting anything else. 

 

[areacodes]

14 minutes ago, EddieTheCousin said:

They are the reported numbers that were offered by both clubs, not "my numbers".

Not sure I'm following your logic here though.... open market was willing to pay $40+ million over 5 years, Mark A offered $16.5 over 3... Would we ever land a free agent in that scenario?

Weren’t there other reports out there that Counsell didn’t even give the Brewers a chance to match the Cubs offer?

If true, there is no way for the Brewers to know that the market was willing to pay that much more.  They were already offering Counsell $1m more than highest paid manager at the time.

[Brian]

Why people thought Counsell was so above and beyond all other managers was a head scratcher to me.  I absolutely hated the way he managed the bullpen.  I  also agree as someone said earlier "he was a run of the mill cookie cutter type manager". Murphy is every bit as good, plus he has a likeable personality.  I would bet the players all like him better also. He is no where worth what he is getting paid, JMO. 

[Guest]

16 minutes ago, Underachiever said:

Mark is within his right to say Counsell wasn't worth it, at that dollar amount, if he even received the opportunity to match. Again, I don't think he did anything wrong, offering to make CC the highest paid manager. 

And no, if another team offers 2.5 times the money for a free agent player than what the Brewers offer, the Brewers will never land a free agent.

Counsell's gone, he wanted to be gone. I took issue with the term "hometown discount". I called them your numbers because I used what you typed ("$16.5") and divided it by three. I wasn't suggesting anything else. 

 

Of course he was within his right... but he didn't exactly take the high road after... imo he took it too far in his comments and looked even worse when the park was vandalized shortly after.

Maybe "hometown discount" wasn't the right phrasing... but I think you get the idea... Brewers were nowhere close in years or AAV... and as much as folks like to say he left for a few million... no, he didn't. He left for $25+ million... don't care who you are, that's a lot of cheddar.

Prolly splitting hairs here... I personally hold Mark a bit more accountable than most do here for how it all played out but not a hill I'm willing to die on.... Counsell is gone, Brewers are in first place... who cares what the old manager is doing.

[Guest]

17 minutes ago, areacodes said:

Weren’t there other reports out there that Counsell didn’t even give the Brewers a chance to match the Cubs offer?

If true, there is no way for the Brewers to know that the market was willing to pay that much more.  They were already offering Counsell $1m more than highest paid manager at the time.

Mark knew he was gonna be on low side... maybe not as low as it ended up being.... but he's a damn smart finance man.

That said, I personally think it was more about the years that was the final straw that broke the back in the relationship.... just my 2 cents but after back to back 3 year deals... and the best run of success in team history... to only get offered another 3 year deal.... not a lot of faith there... I think everyone of us would feel a bit insulted in the same situation... it cuts both ways folks!

but again... big fan of what Murph has done so far and don't miss CC at all ~ by all accounts, Mark A made the right call to not pay him!

[kevinisaname]

Can we please score off their starter this game? We've gone 25 1/3 innings without a run off them. And please, please, please, let's have Good Freddy today. Go Crew!

[Outlander]

This is a game that really could set the tone the rest of the series. Brown doesn't usually go more than a few at the most. Get to the bullpen and have a worn out bullpen the final two games.

[markedman5]

1 hour ago, EddieTheCousin said:

Of course he was within his right... but he didn't exactly take the high road after... imo he took it too far in his comments and looked even worse when the park was vandalized shortly after.

Maybe "hometown discount" wasn't the right phrasing... but I think you get the idea... Brewers were nowhere close in years or AAV... and as much as folks like to say he left for a few million... no, he didn't. He left for $25+ million... don't care who you are, that's a lot of cheddar.

Prolly splitting hairs here... I personally hold Mark a bit more accountable than most do here for how it all played out but not a hill I'm willing to die on.... Counsell is gone, Brewers are in first place... who cares what the old manager is doing.

I have a hard time blaming MA for offering CC more money than anyone else was making as a manager in baseball at that time……..the Cubs decided to drastically overpay in the hopes of finding 3-5 wins at the margins and costing the Brewers the same………time will tell how it plays out for them but the Brewers( in baseball’s smallest market) made a more than fair offer. 
 

I mean even David Stearns wasn’t willing to offer close to what the Cubs did……with Cohen’s money to back him up.

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[Guest]

22 minutes ago, markedman5 said:

I mean even David Stearns wasn’t willing to offer close to what the Cubs did……with Cohen’s money to back him up.

Do you know if it was ever disclosed what the Mets (or Cle) offered?

[TURBO]

1 hour ago, markedman5 said:

I have a hard time blaming MA for offering CC more money than anyone else was making as a manager in baseball at that time……..the Cubs decided to drastically overpay in the hopes of finding 3-5 wins at the margins and costing the Brewers the same………time will tell how it plays out for them but the Brewers( in baseball’s smallest market) made a more than fair offer. 
 

I mean even David Stearns wasn’t willing to offer close to what the Cubs did……with Cohen’s money to back him up.

100% this.

[areacodes]

3 hours ago, EddieTheCousin said:

Mark knew he was gonna be on low side... maybe not as low as it ended up being.... but he's a damn smart finance man.

That said, I personally think it was more about the years that was the final straw that broke the back in the relationship.... just my 2 cents but after back to back 3 year deals... and the best run of success in team history... to only get offered another 3 year deal.... not a lot of faith there... I think everyone of us would feel a bit insulted in the same situation... it cuts both ways folks!

but again... big fan of what Murph has done so far and don't miss CC at all ~ by all accounts, Mark A made the right call to not pay him!

I’m not sure how you can be so certain that Mark knew he’d be lowballing Counsell with an offer that was $1m more than the next highest paid manager nor do I believe the 3 year extension was insulting. All of this without getting a chance to counter the offer he took.

Unless of course, you’re trying to fit this into a certain narrative.

[LouisEly]

32 minutes ago, areacodes said:

Unless of course, you’re trying to fit this into a certain narrative.

Which he/she/they is.  We've gone over this in another thread.  Offers almost always contain non-disclosure clauses and rarely will a team allow you to shop around any offer.  If Counsell did, he could get sued (never mind lose a tremendous amount of trust from ever owner for disclosing confidential information).

Mark A. offered to make Counsell the highest paid manager in MLB.  In no way, shape, or form is it his fault or could he have known that someone else chose to pay well above what was at the time top of the market.

[Guest]

Only "narrative" that I'm trying to fill is that some of it is on Mark A ~ I don't buy it that Mark A misjudged it by that much... if you want to, go for it :)

[RedStickBrew]

[markedman5]

2 hours ago, EddieTheCousin said:

Do you know if it was ever disclosed what the Mets (or Cle) offered?

Not sure I read an exact figure but I did read something from a Mets site that they were definitely interested in hiring him but were never going to come close to the numbers he got…….and they kind of suggested that although Counsel took the interview they never got the feeling he wanted to move to NY.

[markedman5]

42 minutes ago, EddieTheCousin said:

Only "narrative" that I'm trying to fill is that some of it is on Mark A ~ I don't buy it that Mark A misjudged it by that much... if you want to, go for it :)

I’m not sure he misjudged it either……just because the Cubs decided to make a stupid offer doesn’t mean the Brewers should. They made a great offer……it would have made him the highest paid manager……..he wanted more……..

Brewers were never going to get in a bidding war with the Cubs……..when it comes to that…….it’s time to just part company.

[TURBO]

Thought this might interest some people here.  SUCK IT CUBS!

 

READY FOR REVENGE? Craig Counsell returns to AmFam Field this week for the first time as a Cub, but it’s the Brewers who still control the overall series rivalry

Milwaukee is up by one game (217-216) all-time since the I-94 rivalry began in 1997.

Their record is even BETTER at home: 112-102.

The Brewers also own the records for largest victory (18–1 on Aug. 2, 2010) and longest win streak (11 games, April 24–Sept. 18, 2021).

 

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