Brewers acquire Dallas Keuchel

[BrewerFan]

23 minutes ago, bigred said:

You're saying that you don't remember Attanasio claiming several times since he bought the team, that their intentions are to "bring a championship to Milwaukee"? Really? If so, I won't waste my time with you reality deniers any longer. Lol SMDH He has definitely told our fan base that many times, but has failed to do what's necessary to actually accomplish that. 

You're kidding, right?

THAT is what you're talking about? The "gaslighting," is because the owner has said their goal is to win a championship. That somehow morphed in your head so they're "gaslighting" the fanbase and some promise about making big moves to compete with the larger market teams?

I don't really know how to even respond to this seriously at this point. You're effectively saying that Aaron Rodgers "lied" or was "gaslighting" the fans when HE said he wanted to win another Super Bowl and that was his primary goal...or for that matter, really any player.

You understand their plan to win is to be continually competitive and due to the high variation and luck involved in baseball...such as Soto getting a hit vs Hader and the ball going under Grisham's glove, the disproportionate number of extremely hard-hit balls last year vs AZ that were LD outs vs the bloopers they turned into runs on their way to a World Series appearance).

 

You seem to be using "gaslighting," in the wrong context. Not sure how else to put it, it just sounds kinda ridiculous. 

 

But ok, so he said his goal is to win a WS(the same as every owner, GM, player, manager). I've also asked repeatedly what this move that he's "refusing" to do would be...but I'm not even sure I want the answer to that after I got this answer. 

 

It's really simple. They're trying to win by being good every year. Simply put, that gives you the best chance to win. The teams that really "went for it," were the CC team and then the Grinke/Marcum team and they didn't have all that much more to show for it, but they were both certainly worse following those respective seasons and had no chance to win a Title the following years. 

[BrewerFan]

2 hours ago, Oxy said:

The organization--and many fans--consider perennially competing and often winning division titles as fulfilling the frequent proclamations of the front office as trying to compete.  They HAVE, in fact, followed through nearly every single year on their proclaimed intentions.  That's the way many of us see it.  That obviously isn't the way you see it, because you would rather them try big one year and be bad for 5 years--whether that one year they go for it works out or not (and it probably won't).

History would strongly, strongly suggest it won't. The best team seldom seems to win it. The Braves who were under .500 and then got hot(I believe they still ended ~7 games behind us) or the Dodgers last year, the Nats. 

There is too much luck involved. 

This feels very much like the "Brewers are cheap and never sign any good FAs" crowd before they signed Hoskins while ignoring the LoCain, Mouse, Grandal signings(among others). 

[bigred]

If they wanna continue trying to "catch lightning in a bottle" with their acquisitions, then why not sign Trevor Bauer while they're at it? Might as well get another bite at the ol' apple, right? 

[Jim French Stepstool]

14 hours ago, Playing Catch said:

 the media, including the Brewers via Sophia and others can't help but continue mentioning the Cy Young. Most of us here are able to roll our eyes at such talk, and move on, but for casual fans that just read the paper every day, it sounds a lot like "promoting" this as a big move.

After watching the telecast today, including some of the pregame, I decided that someone definitely needed to devise a drinking game where everyone has to do a shot every time Sophia says "former Cy Young Award winner".

If Keuchel isn't here long enough for that to take hold, just transfer the rules to every time Bill Schroeder says "Not even close".

If the game involves downing one every time anyone on the broadcast team mentions  All Star voting, just give up & join AA pre-emptively.

[BlightyBrew]

I think the FO thought we have 16 games in 17 days before the all-star break with another West Coast trip. We need someone to try and go 5-6 innings giving up 3 runs or less and maybe save the bullpen more consistently than we currently have.  Take a chance to see if Keuchel can fill that bill.  If not, you release him and hopefully some of the players that are hurt come back.  Give more time to determine if Hall is going to be a reliever or a SP when he comes back.

Trades for upgrades are not going to happen until the end of July with the amount of teams still in the wildcard hunt.  Right now it is to much a sellers market.  There are only a few teams whose season has not worked out they way they hoped and are "out of it".  I can imagine they are probably asking for the moon in return for some of there assets.  Need to give it some more time for other teams to decide they are not "in it".  Otherwise, you will be overpaying in prospect capital for a short rental.

The Brewers need to address the SP and probably need 2 more average to above average starters.  This signing is not for this.  It's just out of necessity to try and fill a short term hole until other opportunities develop.

This is my take and what I think.

[bigred]

4 hours ago, Jim French Stepstool said:

After watching the telecast today, including some of the pregame, I decided that someone definitely needed to devise a drinking game where everyone has to do a shot every time Sophia says "former Cy Young Award winner".

If Keuchel isn't here long enough for that to take hold, just transfer the rules to every time Bill Schroeder says "Not even close".

If the game involves downing one every time anyone on the broadcast team mentions  All Star voting, just give up & join AA pre-emptively.

Exactly. They think smearing some jelly on a big crap sandwich(Kuechel trade), will make us think it will taste better. After today's start, nope, it still doesn't taste good. 

[Thurston Fluff]

13 hours ago, bigred said:

They may not said those exact words, but unless you like denying reality, you know they definitely imply they're going to what's necessary to compete with the big teams, for several years mow, then never do. EVEN when they finally have a stacked farm system. 

What do you mean they never do? They've done just that for years now. Maybe you're using the term "going for it" differently. To me, and I think most others, it means doing everything they can to win now. To do that means sacrificing the future if it helps the present. They said their goal was to be good year in and year out. If anything it's the opposite of implying they're going for it.

[homer]

3 hours ago, bigred said:

Exactly. They think smearing some jelly on a big crap sandwich(Kuechel trade), will make us think it will taste better. After today's start, nope, it still doesn't taste good. 

You've made your point.

[formerlybis]

I think the Keuchel acquisition was at worst a nothingburger. We saved Rea to pitch against a more important foe, and the Brewers ended up winning what may be his one start. Good enough for me.

As to the rest of this bigred against the world stuff, yeesh. You can't win the WS if you don't make the playoffs. That should always be goal #1. When you get there, stuff can happen - like one of your ace pitchers not being able to go. Had that not happened, the Brewers may very well have gotten to chew their bite. I do not feel lied to at all.

[Fear The Chorizo]

44 minutes ago, formerlybis said:

I think the Keuchel acquisition was at worst a nothingburger. We saved Rea to pitch against a more important foe, and the Brewers ended up winning what may be his one start. Good enough for me.

As to the rest of this bigred against the world stuff, yeesh. You can't win the WS if you don't make the playoffs. That should always be goal #1. When you get there, stuff can happen - like one of your ace pitchers not being able to go. Had that not happened, the Brewers may very well have gotten to chew their bite. I do not feel lied to at all.

The Dbacks got to the world series and if not for some Game 1 heroics by the Rangers could have won last year's title as a 7th-seeded wild card that won 84 regular season games.

The Cardinals won a WS as an 83-win wild card team, too.

The key is to build a roster that can reliably contend for the postseason every offseason, without dramatically sacrificing that opportunity in future years by blowing up your budget on payroll or emptying the farm via trades over the winter.  Then, see how the league shakes out over the first half of the season and make a splash move or two at the deadline to solidify your roster and hope for good luck on the injury front for the playoffs.  That's what the Brewers have been doing for quite awhile now, and I have a hard time seeing how they could be in much better shape as an organization right now given their market size/financial limitations.

[patrickgpe]

saw a report that the cash involved was $1. I think trade was just for a start or 2 until players get back so Rodriguez can go back down. nothing more. 

[Jim French Stepstool]

7 hours ago, bigred said:

Exactly. They think smearing some jelly on a big crap sandwich(Kuechel trade), will make us think it will taste better. After today's start, nope, it still doesn't taste good. 

Whoa. I enjoy making fun of some of the stuff that comes out of their mouths. But I wouldn't come close to calling the move a crap sandwich. This organization has done a terrific job of reclamation and has often times gotten some great mileage out of it. It's what they do, and what they HAVE to do. If this one doesn't work, they'll move away from it.

I just don't need to hear 73 times that he was a former Cy Young winner. Bill, Sophia, Jeff et al------I understand the logic behind the move. You don't need to bend over backwards to sell it to me.

[tmwiese55]

29 minutes ago, patrickgpe said:

saw a report that the cash involved was $1. I think trade was just for a start or 2 until players get back so Rodriguez can go back down. nothing more. 

Yea I think it would be 3 starts to get them through the ASB.    They hope to get 4-6 mediocre innings rather than full bullpen days.  He gets a shot to do well and earn a spot here or elsewhere to finish the year.   If he does crappy like game 1 was, welp that's it.         Add that to the 40 man discussion someone pointed out yesterday and you have a stopgap solution

[BrewerFan]

17 hours ago, bigred said:

If they wanna continue trying to "catch lightning in a bottle" with their acquisitions, then why not sign Trevor Bauer while they're at it? Might as well get another bite at the ol' apple, right? 

Yeah, I definitely think this is a good topic to bring up!

This board can definitely force the FO to sign him and these discussions about Bauer don't invariably lead to some ugly arguments, so screw it, just pour that gasoline on the fire! 

Sure, they'll have to outbid all the teams beating down his doors to sign him, but we get to argue about it more. 

[brewcrewdue80]

Is Kuechel still on the team?  They probably were going to dump him Mitchell who of course suffered an owie before happening 

 

[sveumrules]

15 minutes ago, brewcrewdue80 said:

Is Kuechel still on the team?  They probably were going to dump him Mitchell who of course suffered an owie before happening 

 

Can’t drop a pitcher for a hitter, need 13 of each.

[wiguy94]

4 minutes ago, sveumrules said:

Can’t drop a pitcher for a hitter, need 13 of each.

You aren't required to have 13 pitchers on the roster, you just aren't allowed to have more than 13 pitchers on the roster. 

[bigred]

On 6/26/2024 at 10:32 PM, BrewerFan said:

Right...but you don't want to actually show me or give me an example, because...just no, right?

Examples? Are you being serious? How about everything they tell our fan base, around December-January(to try and appease us) for probably the past 15 years or so, then rarely actually do what they say. 

[bigred]

On 6/26/2024 at 8:24 PM, homer said:

They took 2/3 against the Phillies in July of last year. They took 2/3 against the Phillies in Sept of last year.

Sun shines on a dog's butt every once in a while. When they win series' against those teams on a regular basis, then you might actually be onto something. Not until then though.

[bigred]

18 hours ago, formerlybis said:

I think the Keuchel acquisition was at worst a nothingburger. We saved Rea to pitch against a more important foe, and the Brewers ended up winning what may be his one start. Good enough for me.

As to the rest of this bigred against the world stuff, yeesh. You can't win the WS if you don't make the playoffs. That should always be goal #1. When you get there, stuff can happen - like one of your ace pitchers not being able to go. Had that not happened, the Brewers may very well have gotten to chew their bite. I do not feel lied to at all.

True. Can't win unless they make the playoffs. Couldn't agree more. But when will.our fan base stop being content with simply making it there? Doesn't really matter if they won't occasionally make a bigger move or 2 to help get them over the top in the playoffs. 

[liveforoctober]

3 hours ago, bigred said:

True. Can't win unless they make the playoffs. Couldn't agree more. But when will.our fan base stop being content with simply making it there? Doesn't really matter if they won't occasionally make a bigger move or 2 to help get them over the top in the playoffs. 

I guess I don't really understand what your opinion is on the subject.

[areacodes]

3 hours ago, bigred said:

Examples? Are you being serious? How about everything they tell our fan base, around December-January(to try and appease us) for probably the past 15 years or so, then rarely actually do what they say. 

Yes, examples.  If it is so frequent and obvious, it should be really easy for you to back it up with quotes and articles.

That was always one of the great things about this forum… most people are willing to back up their claims with quotes or articles and not just “derp, I said so… no you look it up.”

[formerlybis]

4 hours ago, bigred said:

True. Can't win unless they make the playoffs. Couldn't agree more. But when will.our fan base stop being content with simply making it there? Doesn't really matter if they won't occasionally make a bigger move or 2 to help get them over the top in the playoffs. 

If Milwaukee were a deep-pocketed team like the bigger market teams, sure - go spend. You know it's not that simple for the Brewers. Failure to accept that dooms you to disappointment. There are precious few "big moves" that are even remotely possible without mortgaging the future. I prefer being in it year in and year out to the all in and then years of loserdom approach. Some want to be Marlins fans, I guess - at least they got a couple titles, but overall, they're a crappy franchise.

[bigred]

1 hour ago, areacodes said:

Yes, examples.  If it is so frequent and obvious, it should be really easy for you to back it up with quotes and articles.

That was always one of the great things about this forum… most people are willing to back up their claims with quotes or articles and not just “derp, I said so… no you look it up.”

You just want me to do the work for you. If you're a true Crew fan, than you know they've said that several times. 

[bigred]

13 minutes ago, formerlybis said:

If Milwaukee were a deep-pocketed team like the bigger market teams, sure - go spend. You know it's not that simple for the Brewers. Failure to accept that dooms you to disappointment. There are precious few "big moves" that are even remotely possible without mortgaging the future. I prefer being in it year in and year out to the all in and then years of loserdom approach. Some want to be Marlins fans, I guess - at least they got a couple titles, but overall, they're a crappy franchise.

I'm not saying spend on free agents. I'm saying we've had a stacked system for a while now, use some of those assets to trade for a younger controllable pitcher, or hitter(whichever is needed) once in a while to try and help get over the hump of simply making the playoffs, but have a better chance of winning it all, once they get there. Examples Crochet, With a couple arby years yet.