2024-25 Offseason Ideas

[Redd Vencher]

Just now, SF70 said:

I would be flabbergasted if he doesn’t want to play baseball in LA and for the Dodgers with his fellow countrymen Yamamoto & Ohtani.

How much money would they have to spend on him, though? Say the Brewers are on the low end estimate for their 3 top 50 prospects, and they have $5 M to spend and the Dodgers have $2 M or less to spend after the guys they already have agreements with. You don't think that could outweigh playing with Yamamoto and Ohtani? I'm not sure how much of the latter he would actually value.

[sveumrules]

It’s fun to dream on Sasaki but he’s foregoing three hundred plus million like Yamamoto just got by coming over early so I don’t think money will be much of a factor in his decision.

Maybe Nori Aoki was his favourite player growing up and he’s a lifelong Brewer fan as a result.

Maybe he’s generous of spirit and understands the most honorable thing to do would be to join a franchise that’s never won a WS before departing for large market riches in FA.

Nah, he’s a Dodger. 

[jay87shot]

It seems like a ton of tea are reducing salary this offseason. I think it will be a great offseason to just wait and be patient and sign a guy late in the offseason to a super cheap contract. There are really only like 5-8 teams that are likely going to spend a bunch this offseason with like 5-8 more that will be active but not going huge. 

[SF70]

2 hours ago, Redd Vencher said:

How much money would they have to spend on him, though? Say the Brewers are on the low end estimate for their 3 top 50 prospects, and they have $5 M to spend and the Dodgers have $2 M or less to spend after the guys they already have agreements with. You don't think that could outweigh playing with Yamamoto and Ohtani? I'm not sure how much of the latter he would actually value.

Agree with Sveum that he doesn’t seem to care about the money. Just too many reasons for him to go to LAD.

Fellow countrymen — Large Asian community — Weather — Play with the most talented team in the game. 

[Redd Vencher]

12 minutes ago, SF70 said:

Agree with Sveum that he doesn’t seem to care about the money. Just too many reasons for him to go to LAD.

Fellow countrymen — Large Asian community — Weather — Play with the most talented team in the game. 

A big reason against going to the Dodgers is how they chew up talented young pitcher's arms compared to the rest of the league. If he wants that $300+ M contract in 6 years, the Dodgers org is the one to avoid.

[jay87shot]

1) Trade Devin to Texas for 1B/OF Dustin Harris, P Brock Porter, and OF Yeremi Cabrera

This is a bit more upside than best player available. Harris platoons with Rhys, Porter and Cabrera have big ceilings if our system can develop them.

2)Black and Brewer Hicklen for Jesus Luzardo,   The Marlins need some bats and we could use an upside arm, Luzardo gives us a big arm that our staff can really help. 

3) Civale and Peguero to NYM for Ronny Mauricio  With Luzardo on board Civale can be flipped, Mauricio is a huge upside guy we could give 3B a shot or become a top notch utility guy.

These are all upside deals, in my mind we flip 1 year of Civale for 2 of Luzardo, Black for Mauricio who fits our 3B need better and fill in the Bauers role and get to high potential prospects for excess relief.

 

[wntrtxn21]

3 hours ago, jay87shot said:

1) Trade Devin to Texas for 1B/OF Dustin Harris, P Brock Porter, and OF Yeremi Cabrera

This is a bit more upside than best player available. Harris platoons with Rhys, Porter and Cabrera have big ceilings if our system can develop them.

2)Black and Brewer Hicklen for Jesus Luzardo,   The Marlins need some bats and we could use an upside arm, Luzardo gives us a big arm that our staff can really help. 

3) Civale and Peguero to NYM for Ronny Mauricio  With Luzardo on board Civale can be flipped, Mauricio is a huge upside guy we could give 3B a shot or become a top notch utility guy.

These are all upside deals, in my mind we flip 1 year of Civale for 2 of Luzardo, Black for Mauricio who fits our 3B need better and fill in the Bauers role and get to high potential prospects for excess relief.

 

IF the Brewers could get Luzardo and Mauricio that cheaply, they would jump at the chance.  I think the Marlins and Mets could get a lot more, but who knows. The trades would certainly help Milwaukee. I don't see letting Williams go for a couple of OFs and Porter who hasn't even seen AA yet. The return is just too weak and I believe Williams in a pkg. could help the Crew right away. 

[jay87shot]

1 hour ago, wntrtxn21 said:

IF the Brewers could get Luzardo and Mauricio that cheaply, they would jump at the chance.  I think the Marlins and Mets could get a lot more, but who knows. The trades would certainly help Milwaukee. I don't see letting Williams go for a couple of OFs and Porter who hasn't even seen AA yet. The return is just too weak and I believe Williams in a pkg. could help the Crew right away. 

I will admit the Luzardo price may be a bit low if you don't consider Black a top 100 prospect. I like the Mets deal a lot because it gives the Mets 2 things they need and Mauricio is mostly block and coming of an injury. I will say that the Williams trade lacks a big name/prospect but for me Harris is almost the same player as Black with some better 1B potential at 6'2", Porter was a top 100 prospect at the start of the year and the OF Cabrera is like Lara with some bigger power potential at only 19. There is no sexy name but we get 1 upside platoon player and to lotto ticket guys with star potential. For me it is like Harris and 2 comp value picks.

[Madhawk23]

5 hours ago, jay87shot said:

1) Trade Devin to Texas for 1B/OF Dustin Harris, P Brock Porter, and OF Yeremi Cabrera

This is a bit more upside than best player available. Harris platoons with Rhys, Porter and Cabrera have big ceilings if our system can develop them.

2)Black and Brewer Hicklen for Jesus Luzardo,   The Marlins need some bats and we could use an upside arm, Luzardo gives us a big arm that our staff can really help. 

3) Civale and Peguero to NYM for Ronny Mauricio  With Luzardo on board Civale can be flipped, Mauricio is a huge upside guy we could give 3B a shot or become a top notch utility guy.

These are all upside deals, in my mind we flip 1 year of Civale for 2 of Luzardo, Black for Mauricio who fits our 3B need better and fill in the Bauers role and get to high potential prospects for excess relief.

 

Here's a few "amendments" to your player acquisition proposals:

 

1) I posted this in a separate thread, but it appears that as some have anticipated - Alec Bohm is being made available by the Phillies this winter.  I'd much rather see us trade Devin to Philly for Bohm - as I think it's a deal that makes a ton of sense for both sides.

2) I like the idea of trading for Luzardo (if he's available), but I think it's going to take more to get him.  Assuming the Fish even value Black anywhere close to a Top 100 prospect, I think it would take Black and someone like Knoth to get talks started.  If our front office and pitching lab thinks that they can get Luzardo back on the right track (and mostly, keep him healthy), then I think this is a deal that I would do.  

3) If we were to get Bohm for Williams, I'm not sure if we'd still need someone like Mauricio?  But, I don't hate the idea of still trying to find a trade partner for both Civale and Peguero. 

[jay87shot]

16 hours ago, Madhawk23 said:

Here's a few "amendments" to your player acquisition proposals:

 

1) I posted this in a separate thread, but it appears that as some have anticipated - Alec Bohm is being made available by the Phillies this winter.  I'd much rather see us trade Devin to Philly for Bohm - as I think it's a deal that makes a ton of sense for both sides.

2) I like the idea of trading for Luzardo (if he's available), but I think it's going to take more to get him.  Assuming the Fish even value Black anywhere close to a Top 100 prospect, I think it would take Black and someone like Knoth to get talks started.  If our front office and pitching lab thinks that they can get Luzardo back on the right track (and mostly, keep him healthy), then I think this is a deal that I would do.  

3) If we were to get Bohm for Williams, I'm not sure if we'd still need someone like Mauricio?  But, I don't hate the idea of still trying to find a trade partner for both Civale and Peguero. 

1) It is possible Bohm could be dealt but that is speculation and even then we don't know where the Phillies would value that trade. I agree that I would take Bohm or any proven 3B/2B over prospects but who know if that is doable. In all likelihood Williams goes for prospects.

2) You are probably right on the Luzardo package, I couldn't see him getting less than Trevor Rogers last year Black is probably close to Norby value and Stowers is better than Hicklen (value wise). With Luzardo being more than Rogers

3) Right if we could get Bohm or another IF Mauricio wouldn't be needed. I probably wouldn't do Black and Knoth for Luzardo so at that point I would keep Civale. 

[jay87shot]

What about this

1) Rhys, Civale to NYM for 2 lower level lotto style prospects

Essentially the Mets get 2 players that fit their short term needs and we get salary relief with a small return to show we got something.

2) Tyler Black, Logan Henderson, Peguero, and Tate Kuehner for Brandon Lowe and Yandy Diaz

We use that salary to get 2 perfect bats to fit our team needs. It is a lot to give up but each player has 2 years of reasonably priced control on 2nd year options. The Rays get 3 prospects and Peguero who all seem to be Rays type/style players and save $.

3) Devin to SF for P Carson Whisenhunt and lotto prospect

The Giants are stacked at pitcher and Whisenhunt might be about the best prospect we could get who could be an impact player right away.

We upgrade the lineup depth immensely, while replacing lost prospect value with Whisenhunt and lotto prospects.

[Scooterfletcher]

1 hour ago, jay87shot said:

What about this

1) Rhys, Civale to NYM for 2 lower level lotto style prospects

Essentially the Mets get 2 players that fit their short term needs and we get salary relief with a small return to show we got something.

2) Tyler Black, Logan Henderson, Peguero, and Tate Kuehner for Brandon Lowe and Yandy Diaz

We use that salary to get 2 perfect bats to fit our team needs. It is a lot to give up but each player has 2 years of reasonably priced control on 2nd year options. The Rays get 3 prospects and Peguero who all seem to be Rays type/style players and save $.

3) Devin to SF for P Carson Whisenhunt and lotto prospect

The Giants are stacked at pitcher and Whisenhunt might be about the best prospect we could get who could be an impact player right away.

We upgrade the lineup depth immensely, while replacing lost prospect value with Whisenhunt and lotto prospects.

1) Rhys and Civale for Baty and a lotto should be accepted by Mets and I’d prefer that.

2) I’d do that in a heartbeat.

3) I’d try for whisenhunt and wade for Devin and a lesser piece

[Madhawk23]

12 minutes ago, Scooterfletcher said:

1) Rhys and Civale for Baty and a lotto should be accepted by Mets and I’d prefer that.

• I wonder if the Mets would want Rhys after the "kerfuffle" on opening day between him and McNeil?  Not to mention, the price tag that would go along with Rhys?  I know the Mets print their own $$, but is it possible that we'd have to pick up some of his $18M tab if a deal like this happened?

2) I’d do that in a heartbeat.

• The only guy I'd really feel bad about losing in this deal is Henderson, and because of that I'm guessing the Rays might feel similarly and would need a higher upside return for both Lowe and Diaz?  I would guess that it'd take more of a Black, Henderson and Wichrowski type package to get both Lowe and Diaz?  Maybe I'm wrong though?  

3) I’d try for whisenhunt and wade for Devin and a lesser piece

• Whisenhunt is intriguing as a centerpiece coming back for Devin, but do we know why he struggled so badly this year in AAA?  That scares me a bit.  

Overall, I do really like all three of these trade ideas.  I do wonder though if there isn't a better package out there for Devin?  I'm not sure if Wade would be needed that badly if we're bringing in Diaz to play 1B, right?  And as I mentioned above, Whisenhunt's '24 performance at AAA scares me a bit.  

 

[Madhawk23]

15 minutes ago, Madhawk23 said:

 

Just to follow up on this idea....I still don't hate the idea of trading Devin to the Phillies for Bohm.  We could then make a trade with the Rays for Lowe.  Even if we can't pull off the Rhys/Civale deal to the Mets, you could still then put Rhys at DH (with the occasional game at 1B), Bohm mostly at 1B (maybe with the occasional game at 3B as needed), Lowe at 2B, Turang at SS and then Ortiz at 3B.  Lineup would then look like:

Chourio - RF

Yeli - LF/DH

Contreras - C

Lowe - 2B

Bohm - 1B/3B

Rhys - DH/1B

Frelick/Mitchell - CF/LF

Ortiz - 3B

Turang - SS

I definitely don't hate that lineup!  

 

[endaround]

4 hours ago, jay87shot said:

What about this

1) Rhys, Civale to NYM for 2 lower level lotto style prospects

Essentially the Mets get 2 players that fit their short term needs and we get salary relief with a small return to show we got something.

2) Tyler Black, Logan Henderson, Peguero, and Tate Kuehner for Brandon Lowe and Yandy Diaz

We use that salary to get 2 perfect bats to fit our team needs. It is a lot to give up but each player has 2 years of reasonably priced control on 2nd year options. The Rays get 3 prospects and Peguero who all seem to be Rays type/style players and save $.

3) Devin to SF for P Carson Whisenhunt and lotto prospect

The Giants are stacked at pitcher and Whisenhunt might be about the best prospect we could get who could be an impact player right away.

We upgrade the lineup depth immensely, while replacing lost prospect value with Whisenhunt and lotto prospects.

Rhys has negative value in the range of $8-10 million. Civale may have positive value in the range of $4-5m.  So just to get the Mets to take this for cash considerations you would have to include like Black or Brown and maybe another FV35+ prospect.

That is likely not enough to get either Lowe or Diaz and certainly not both.

If the Giants are willing to trade Whisenhunt for Williams, that is a red flag that last year has cratered their opinion of him.  A top 75-100 pitcher is worth about $21 million, Williams' value is about $10 million.

 

[Lloyd330]

Out of the box idea, but what about a trade for Royce Lewis. They have Brooks Lee that could take over at 3b. Twins are looking for young SP. Just dont know what they would be looking at with the Brewers

[DR28]

2 hours ago, Lloyd330 said:

Out of the box idea, but what about a trade for Royce Lewis. They have Brooks Lee that could take over at 3b. Twins are looking for young SP. Just dont know what they would be looking at with the Brewers

Lewis is probably moving to 2B... I would love him, but he will cost a ton.

[wntrtxn21]

On 11/13/2024 at 1:17 PM, jay87shot said:

What about this

1) Rhys, Civale to NYM for 2 lower level lotto style prospects

Essentially the Mets get 2 players that fit their short term needs and we get salary relief with a small return to show we got something.

2) Tyler Black, Logan Henderson, Peguero, and Tate Kuehner for Brandon Lowe and Yandy Diaz

We use that salary to get 2 perfect bats to fit our team needs. It is a lot to give up but each player has 2 years of reasonably priced control on 2nd year options. The Rays get 3 prospects and Peguero who all seem to be Rays type/style players and save $.

3) Devin to SF for P Carson Whisenhunt and lotto prospect

The Giants are stacked at pitcher and Whisenhunt might be about the best prospect we could get who could be an impact player right away.

We upgrade the lineup depth immensely, while replacing lost prospect value with Whisenhunt and lotto prospects.

I think Whisenhunt is far too iffy to be an impact player.  His numbers at AAA were not great and if the Giants were willing to give him up for just one year of Williams, like Endaround said, that would really be a red flag. I would definitely not give away Civale for lottery tickets. The Brewers' starting staff is weak and full of holes and question marks. Take away Civale it gets weaker. Endaround was right when he said ther is no chance the Rays would move Diaz and Lowe for such a weak package. Besides, there is no way I'm moving the platinum glove winner (Turang) off 2B for Lowe who is a below average fielder. Turang has saved too many hits and runs for a Brewer staff that relies so heavily on the defense. 

[jay87shot]

23 hours ago, DR28 said:

Lewis is probably moving to 2B... I would love him, but he will cost a ton.

I would love Lewis or Lee but my guess is they go 1B Miranda, 2B Lewis, SS Correa, 3B Lee. Eduoard Julien could be available at a lesser price but he has enough question marks, I love their 2B prospect Luke Keaschall but he is only in AA so that doesn't work at least this year. 

[jay87shot]

21 hours ago, wntrtxn21 said:

I think Whisenhunt is far too iffy to be an impact player.  His numbers at AAA were not great and if the Giants were willing to give him up for just one year of Williams, like Endaround said, that would really be a red flag. I would definitely not give away Civale for lottery tickets. The Brewers' starting staff is weak and full of holes and question marks. Take away Civale it gets weaker. Endaround was right when he said ther is no chance the Rays would move Diaz and Lowe for such a weak package. Besides, there is no way I'm moving the platinum glove winner (Turang) off 2B for Lowe who is a below average fielder. Turang has saved too many hits and runs for a Brewer staff that relies so heavily on the defense. 

I will say that I think Whisenhunt is going to be good, I believe that AAA division is notoriously hitter friendly (I could have the wrong one) 141 k's in 109 innings. My part about him being a potential impact player is a stretch at least for this year, his walks are way higher than I thought. I do believe there is a good trade to be had for Williams with the Giants. Would Robbie Ray (giants eat like 12 million a year) and Lamonte Wade be to much to ask or maybe Wade and Camilo Doval for like Williams and a prospect. 

What do you all think the price for say Yandy Diaz would be if we could get rid of Rhys. I don't care much about the Lowe end of my proposal earlier but upgrading Rhys to Diaz would be huge. 3 prospects? Black and Henderson? More

[jay87shot]

What would everyone think about trading Devin to the Cubs (for a slightly larger, in division fee)? The Cubs badly need a closer and have a decent farm system. On one hand, I don't want to help the Cubbies but on the other feel like if we could get a higher return I could live with going against Devin for 4 or 5 innings next year. 

Devin and a mid level prospect for Nico Hoerner would interest me, for some reason the Cubs are looking at trading Nico. He would be a guy I wouldn't mind moving Brice of 2B for (unless we think Nico could play 3B).

I wouldn't mind James Triantos, Matt Shaw, or Cam Smith even if we have to send a decent prospect back.

[wntrtxn21]

58 minutes ago, jay87shot said:

What would everyone think about trading Devin to the Cubs (for a slightly larger, in division fee)? The Cubs badly need a closer and have a decent farm system. On one hand, I don't want to help the Cubbies but on the other feel like if we could get a higher return I could live with going against Devin for 4 or 5 innings next year. 

Devin and a mid level prospect for Nico Hoerner would interest me, for some reason the Cubs are looking at trading Nico. He would be a guy I wouldn't mind moving Brice of 2B for (unless we think Nico could play 3B).

I wouldn't mind James Triantos, Matt Shaw, or Cam Smith even if we have to send a decent prospect back.

I can't see any way the Brewers trade with the cubs, but if they did I wouldn't trade for Hoerner. He has little power, doesn't drive in many runs and is owed $23.5M over the next two years. Way, way too much for him.  When they trade Devin, I hope it's for somebody who will help immediately, maybes in the minors. 

[wntrtxn21]

On 11/15/2024 at 12:19 PM, jay87shot said:

I will say that I think Whisenhunt is going to be good, I believe that AAA division is notoriously hitter friendly (I could have the wrong one) 141 k's in 109 innings. My part about him being a potential impact player is a stretch at least for this year, his walks are way higher than I thought. I do believe there is a good trade to be had for Williams with the Giants. Would Robbie Ray (giants eat like 12 million a year) and Lamonte Wade be to much to ask or maybe Wade and Camilo Doval for like Williams and a prospect. 

What do you all think the price for say Yandy Diaz would be if we could get rid of Rhys. I don't care much about the Lowe end of my proposal earlier but upgrading Rhys to Diaz would be huge. 3 prospects? Black and Henderson? More

I would love Diaz, but getting rid of Rhys could be problematic. The Mets (like you mentioned earlier) if they don't re-sign Alonso. Somebody mentiond Rhys + to the Yankees for Cortes which would be nice too. I wonder if the Rays would do Black + Rodriguez + Milner for Yandy? Then Devin + for Bohm. 

[Frisbee Slider]

3 hours ago, wntrtxn21 said:

I wouldn't trade for Hoerner

He’s averaged 4 WAR per season over the past three seasons 🤷‍♂️

 

[NOMAAM]

On 11/13/2024 at 6:35 AM, jay87shot said:

1) It is possible Bohm could be dealt but that is speculation and even then we don't know where the Phillies would value that trade. I agree that I would take Bohm or any proven 3B/2B over prospects but who know if that is doable. In all likelihood Williams goes for prospects.

2) You are probably right on the Luzardo package, I couldn't see him getting less than Trevor Rogers last year Black is probably close to Norby value and Stowers is better than Hicklen (value wise). With Luzardo being more than Rogers

3) Right if we could get Bohm or another IF Mauricio wouldn't be needed. I probably wouldn't do Black and Knoth for Luzardo so at that point I would keep Civale. 

Last year was Alex’s first multi war year correct.  What was the difference between this year and his previous couple?