Game 4: Vikings @ Packers - Sunday, Sept 29th at 12PM

[young guns]

Did get a bounce off the defender, but not much of one.

[Fear The Chorizo]

For as putrid as this team played almost the entire game, injuries, inconsistent play by their franchise qb who still makes some really terrible reads throwing into coverage, this winds up as a 1 possession game where two more missed FGs could've made the difference.

This team has plenty of talent, but it's young and injured enough in some key places where it's going to be inconsistent.  Vikings are no doubt a decent and well-coached team, but GB beat themselves this game.

[HarveysWBs]

Playing as close as they did in a game where they were absolute cheeks for an entire half is kind of encouraging. These teams are not the version of themselves that will exist in December. Get healthy, get a kicker, and Jordan needs to clean up the decision making. No panic yet.

[homer]

Kraft's fumble and the INT on the heave to the end zone were just killers.

[Fear The Chorizo]

2 minutes ago, adambr2 said:

Might as well wrap this game up with the dumbest onside kick I've ever seen. 

I'm so confused by the kickoff rules, I was surprised there was even an attempt at an onside kick at all - thought by now the NFL would just have game of rock, paper, scissors where the kicking team had to win 5 straight rounds to get possession.

[wOOgiE22]

Who would have guessed the game ultimately came down to missed field goals in the end.  Why is it so hard to find a kicker at this point?

Also, i wouldn’t be against a 4th in 15 or 20 to replace the onside kick.  Make it hard enough to convert, but not impossible like the onside kick now. 

[Joseph Zarr]

I'm old enough to remember when I thought Narvs' was the LT answer at kicker. 🫠

[edfunderburk]

I’ve seen several references to 5 turnovers by Green Bay today

I can only remember 4 - three interceptions by Love & the fumble by Kraft

Was there another I can’t recall?

[Joseph Zarr]

It seriously baffles me the Pack can't find a kicker who can make 85% of his FG. That's the low end of an acceptable NFL kicker in 2024.

I just can not grok.

[edfunderburk]

18 minutes ago, Fear The Chorizo said:

For as putrid as this team played almost the entire game, injuries, inconsistent play by their franchise qb who still makes some really terrible reads throwing into coverage, this winds up as a 1 possession game where two more missed FGs could've made the difference.

This team has plenty of talent, but it's young and injured enough in some key places where it's going to be inconsistent.  Vikings are no doubt a decent and well-coached team, but GB beat themselves this game.

Playing without our two best cornerbacks put us at a disadvantage from the start too

[SeaBass]

14 minutes ago, edfunderburk said:

I’ve seen several references to 5 turnovers by Green Bay today

I can only remember 4 - three interceptions by Love & the fumble by Kraft

Was there another I can’t recall?

It is only 4, or I guess I should say "only". Still helped kill that comeback.

[OldHeidelberg]

Love finished the game and seemed to get his feet under him late. More so than most good QB’s he seems to need to get in a rhythm, maybe he will always be a slow starter to the season but he was lights out at the end last year. I feel like we had an early game against the Vikes almost exactly like this a few years back, huge hole early and almost dug out of it.

[homer]

did Packers have one or two false starts on 3rd and short?

[young guns]

1 hour ago, edfunderburk said:

I’ve seen several references to 5 turnovers by Green Bay today

I can only remember 4 - three interceptions by Love & the fumble by Kraft

Was there another I can’t recall?

I think the confusion comes from the announcer saying it was 5 after the kraft fumble.  He was really confused himself because he kept talking about the muffed put saying something like "they have it marked as a turnover now but that one ref called it a td."  Makes me glad I wasn't paying attention to them most of the game.

[adambr2]

Narveson has to be gone but I don't even know who next man up is. Crosby is cooked. Joseph is with the Giants now. You surely don't call Anders again. The options are going to be slim pickings. The Packers continue to strike out repeatedly at kicker. 

[BrewerFan]

2 hours ago, Fear The Chorizo said:

For as putrid as this team played almost the entire game, injuries, inconsistent play by their franchise qb who still makes some really terrible reads throwing into coverage, this winds up as a 1 possession game where two more missed FGs could've made the difference.

This team has plenty of talent, but it's young and injured enough in some key places where it's going to be inconsistent.  Vikings are no doubt a decent and well-coached team, but GB beat themselves this game.

You think it's his decision-making that's bad? 

I haven't re-watched yet, but it appeared to me it was more of an accuracy issue. That throw to Wicks that was intercepted, that's not a bad decision at all in that spot. You have to trust your guy to go get it or break it up. 

The other picks were off-hands or short. Several passes were short and guys had to try and dive to get them. You still have drops by guys like Wicks. I'm hoping the rhythm they got into late in the game can fuel them, but I didn't see it as just bad decisions or poor reads but poor throws. 

 

I'm not taking a really strong position on that until(if) I actually watch it again, but it just seemed very similar to the Eagles game but vs a better defense frankly. Florres is running the scheme we want to see in GB.

 

And now to your point about injuries in key spots, Jaire is a guy we cannot afford to lose. Not if we want to be a press man team. You've got Nixon matched up on Jefferson on a 3rd and 13 and he's just running a simple crosser. Valentine as well. We didn't take a CB. Mitchell in the 1st would have been great(I wanted an OT, not complaining about Morgan in the least, but the fact is, I didn't think Mitchell would be there after ~15). 

 

 

My overall opinion of this team has not changed. I think we're one of the most talented. You need more out of Love and then...we're just not getting pressure on the QB. The guy who's doing the most, Wyatt is banged up. But Clark, Gary, LVN, Smith...Enagbare had a great game last week but he's not a reliable pass rusher. That's a problem. 

I was happy to see more Cooper. He's a dude and I think he'll continue to make an impact. 

[BrewerFan]

2 hours ago, wOOgiE22 said:

Who would have guessed the game ultimately came down to missed field goals in the end.  Why is it so hard to find a kicker at this point?

Also, i wouldn’t be against a 4th in 15 or 20 to replace the onside kick.  Make it hard enough to convert, but not impossible like the onside kick now. 

That's too easy IMO. Gotta be at least a 4th and 25. It should be a low-percentage play IMO...

[adambr2]

5 minutes ago, BrewerFan said:

You think it's his decision-making that's bad? 

I haven't re-watched yet, but it appeared to me it was more of an accuracy issue. That throw to Wicks that was intercepted, that's not a bad decision at all in that spot. You have to trust your guy to go get it or break it up. 

The other picks were off-hands or short. Several passes were short and guys had to try and dive to get them. You still have drops by guys like Wicks. I'm hoping the rhythm they got into late in the game can fuel them, but I didn't see it as just bad decisions or poor reads but poor throws. 

 

 

Hmm, I had the opposite experience.  I found myself saying "wow what a bad decision" much more today than I found myself saying "wow what a bad throw."

[LouisEly]

2 minutes ago, BrewerFan said:

That's too easy IMO. Gotta be at least a 4th and 25. It should be a low-percentage play IMO...

Because of the back of the end zone being out of bounds and not having to cover more than 25 total yards of depth, 4th and 15 to get into the end zone is a very low percentage play.

[BrewerFan]

49 minutes ago, young guns said:

I think the confusion comes from the announcer saying it was 5 after the kraft fumble.  He was really confused himself because he kept talking about the muffed put saying something like "they have it marked as a turnover now but that one ref called it a td."  Makes me glad I wasn't paying attention to them most of the game.

I heard him say that several times like...what the hell difference does it make!?! 

It's a turnover either way, NOT a Packers turnover...why are still on this?

Also, how did the guys calling the game NOT know immediately that it wasn't a TD? I get if a casual or even a normal fan thinks that's a TD(it could have been had whoever it was let it roll) but if you call games, you should know, you cannot pick up a muffed punt and run with the ball!

 

31 minutes ago, adambr2 said:

Narveson has to be gone but I don't even know who next man up is. Crosby is cooked. Joseph is with the Giants now. You surely don't call Anders again. The options are going to be slim pickings. The Packers continue to strike out repeatedly at kicker. 

Is Crosby? Maybe you bring him in, put him on your PS and let him get back into shape...and I'm not against calling Carlson again, though my opinion of him kinda contradicts that. It felt like on shorter kicks, he would...basically the equivalent of getting the yips or short arming a throw. Where you struggle to throw it back to the pitcher, but you can throw a strike to the 2nd basemen. 

Carlson was better on longer kicks. But if you're going to bring someone else in to get them ready, someone like Crosby who's likely very reliable inside of 45-50 if he's in shape, he'd probably still be pressing and you're just swapping out one talented, strong leg who's struggling with the last one. 

 

I WOULD feel better with Crosby though. 

 

[BrewerFan]

3 minutes ago, LouisEly said:

Because of the back of the end zone being out of bounds and not having to cover more than 25 total yards of depth, 4th and 15 to get into the end zone is a very low percentage play.

Ok...so the attempt is from the 15 yard line and you just need to get into the endzone to get the ball back?

Yeah, that's more interesting. Maybe split the difference and go 20, but sure, with the back of the endzone, that would help. 

[BrewerFan]

5 minutes ago, adambr2 said:

Hmm, I had the opposite experience.  I found myself saying "wow what a bad decision" much more today than I found myself saying "wow what a bad throw."

You'd have to tell me which ones you're talking about. I just didn't see terrible decisions, I saw him coming up short on waay too many throws...but it's hard to see on the TV view.

If it's a decision-making issue...which I'm skeptical of, it's a bigger issue. I'll wait and see what Andy Herman says. 

 

On another note, Riley Patterson is a FA kicker(I believe).

Maybe he's worth looking at. Otherwise do you trade for a kicker? That seems silly AND I kinda reject the idea that the Kicker cost us this game. The Vikings are playing differently if the game is 28-13 and it appeared they took their foot off the gas a bit. It's possible they put another one on the board to make it 35-13.

But it doesn't really matter, you can't keep taking easy points off the board. Obviously, in hindsight, Greg Joseph looks like the guy we should have kept, but we have to solve this issue. 

[adambr2]

2 minutes ago, BrewerFan said:

You'd have to tell me which ones you're talking about. I just didn't see terrible decisions, I saw him coming up short on waay too many throws...but it's hard to see on the TV view.

If it's a decision-making issue...which I'm skeptical of, it's a bigger issue. I'll wait and see what Andy Herman says. 

 

On another note, Riley Patterson is a FA kicker(I believe).

Maybe he's worth looking at. Otherwise do you trade for a kicker? That seems silly AND I kinda reject the idea that the Kicker cost us this game. The Vikings are playing differently if the game is 28-13 and it appeared they took their foot off the gas a bit. It's possible they put another one on the board to make it 35-13.

But it doesn't really matter, you can't keep taking easy points off the board. Obviously, in hindsight, Greg Joseph looks like the guy we should have kept, but we have to solve this issue. 

Just for a fun hypothetical, if Dallas was selling and made Aubrey available, what would you give up? A 3rd? I think I'd give up a 3rd rather easily. 

[Fear The Chorizo]

28 minutes ago, adambr2 said:

Hmm, I had the opposite experience.  I found myself saying "wow what a bad decision" much more today than I found myself saying "wow what a bad throw."

Yeah, his throw to Watson into triple coverage in the middle of the field got him injured, several almost jump balls off the back foot to the endzone, too

[BrewerFan]

Just now, adambr2 said:

Just for a fun hypothetical, if Dallas was selling and made Aubrey available, what would you give up? A 3rd? I think I'd give up a 3rd rather easily. 

LOL...I think Dallas has to value him as a 1st to be honest. He's SO good...maybe you give up a 1st and ask for a 2nd back? I don't know, with the understanding this is clearly not going to happen...he's SO good and so reliable(him missing from 51 was a shock) I just can't see a 3rd being enough.

SF used a 3rd on Moody and he's a nice kicker, but Aubrey has become the best kicker in the league. Some questions about how he plays in the NFCN, Lambeau, but...I think it'd be a 1st with us hopefully getting a pick back. 

That's his value, would I give that up for a kicker? That's tough. You think about who you could get in the 1st rd, a guy like Kenneth Grant or one of these CBs in a very deep class. 

 

I don't know, I hate that question because I've gone back and forth about 5 times just in my own head about it here!