Mets (Quintana) vs Brewers (Myers): 10/3/24, 6:08pm

[Cool Hand Lucroy]

2 minutes ago, yourout said:

I didn't sleep a wink after that debacle in Seattle when the Packers blew that NFC championship game. The only thing that probably got me more worked up was when the referees handed Duke the championship game on a platter.

Oof. That Badger loss still rankles.

We've been through the wringer fairly often this last decade. Thank goodness for Giannis.

Baseball always feels like it hurts the most. Nature of the sport. I take some small solace in this: there's really no avoiding October pain. Even the teams that win the World Series often lose some soul-crushing game in the playoffs.

This hurt me more than I though, I have to say. I'll get over it relatively quickly, but man. Mostly, it's about how much I liked this team. Last year and in 2021, we just couldn't hit, and it wasn't fun. These guys, though? You wanted to keep watching them. The good news is we get to. I'm going to enjoy watching the AL playoffs and rooting for KC because, after that, it's a long, long winter. Be nice to have some exciting, lower-stress baseball to still look forward to. And the Brewers are still the best-run team in the biz. Glad I get to follow it up close and personal all through the year.

[Recovering Chicagoan]

3 minutes ago, Joseph Zarr said:

Realistic question:

What kind of haul would you expect for Devin Williams? 

Probably not a whole lot.

[Brian]

3 minutes ago, Joseph Zarr said:

Realistic question:

What kind of haul would you expect for Devin Williams? 

Not as much as everyone thinks. 

[Joseph Zarr]

I mean it is just not easy to shine brightest when the lights try to outshine you. BUT, we saw some incredible performances from the youth on the roster. That is hugely important for the upcoming 'window'. Tobias? Come on now. Unreal performance. Mears?!? MEARS!!! Epic two outings. Megill? Bulldog. 

It truly was the vets who let us down time and time again. Will Hoskins opt-in? Likely so. BUT, who knows? I love that the youth is telling us they are ready and unafraid. We keep tinkering. We keep pushing.

[Cool Hand Lucroy]

Honestly, I'd rather play these three-game series on the road. Too much pressure when you're at home.

[Joseph Zarr]

Just now, Brian said:

Not as much as everyone thinks. 

That's what I was initially thinking. But, who knows. I have no idea how the back injury factors in - from all POV"s it certainly seems very healed and not a problem. A meltdown like tonight certainly never factored into Hader's value. I think Devin is viewed as one of the best relievers in all of baseball. I think he commands near a prime Hader-level of prospects, honestly.  

[OldSchoolSnapper]

Just now, Brian said:

Not as much as everyone thinks. 

Yeah I already think the few posts here are overdoing it. He's a reliever with a reputation for being kind of a knucklehead. 

To be honest I'd expect that we get a prospect pitcher and a position player that most people really aren't high on, but they pan out better than anyone thinks. Seems to be how this goes. Initial disappointment that grows on everyone. 

[nate82]

Just now, Joseph Zarr said:

That's what I was initially thinking. But, who knows. I have no idea how the back injury factors in - from all POV"s it certainly seems very healed and not a problem. A meltdown like tonight certainly never factored into Hader's value. I think Devin is viewed as one of the best relievers in all of baseball. I think he commands near a prime Hader-level of prospects, honestly.  

With only one more year of control left?  I don't think so.  At best I think you are looking at a Burnes type of a return and probably a bit less than that.  He should still get a 50-100 ranked prospect but after that probably not all that interesting. 

[adambr2]

The ultra-deflating thing about this season is that our performance was kind of our ceiling.

We won our division. were the 3rd best team in the NL. It's going to always be hard to ever ask for more than that from ANY Brewer team. 

And we still, could not even reach the NLDS. 

[Bulldogboy]

Figuring out third base is going to be huge. You cannot have another auto out in a lineup that has too many.

[Joseph Zarr]

Just now, nate82 said:

With only one more year of control left?  I don't think so.  At best I think you are looking at a Burnes type of a return and probably a bit less than that.  He should still get a 50-100 ranked prospect but after that probably not all that interesting. 

Thanks for that reminder. Yeah, that one year of control will certainly impact his value. A top 50-100 prospect. A Top 30 guy. And maybe a DSL guy seems like the appropriate value. Maybe swap one of those out for a fringe starting SS to try to catch utility rotation lightning in a bottle? 

[jason21nl]

10 minutes ago, adambr2 said:

If it weren't for the Bucks winning it all in 2021 I'd have to give some serious consideration to just walking away from Wisconsin professional sports in the interest of my own mental health. Seriously, these last 15 years have been brutal. Every team is always seemingly on the cusp of something big and no matter what they find some way to let it all come spectacularly burning to the ground. 

Honestly, I may have to try my best to distance myself from WI sports.  This loss pissed me off so much I damn near blacked out.   I’be since calmed down but I’m just so sick of it.   Sports are amazing but also so very dumb.   The highs and lows are all temporary anyway.  After a short time they really don’t even matter.  The Bucks winning wasn’t even that long ago and I don’t even think about it anymore.  

[Joseph Zarr]

Just now, Bulldogboy said:

Figuring out third base is going to be huge. You cannot have another auto out in a lineup that has too many.

3B is still very much up in the air. Man, I really really need a Brock Wilken Arizona Fall League resurgence. That would do huge things in the near term Brewers healing department😅. Ortiz's series was a pretty big downer. 

[Bulldogboy]

Roster management was terrible all year. The bottom of the roster needs to be stronger. Monteserio Collins etc need to go. Guessing Bauers has earned another contract after tonight. 

[Joseph Zarr]

1 minute ago, jason21nl said:

Honestly, I may have to try my best to distance myself from WI sports.  This loss pissed me off so much I damn near blacked out.   I’be since calmed down but I’m just so sick of it.   Sports are amazing but also so very dumb.   The highs and lows are all temporary anyway.  After a short time they really don’t even matter.  The Bucks winning wasn’t even that long ago and I don’t even think about it anymore.  

SO, given that, you can use that wisdom to temper your disappointment in defeat, no? You clearly get it. Those wins and that feeling is extremely ephemeral. It's all sort of an illusion. Losing sucks - no doubt about it. But, these losses aren't your losses. Whatsoever. 

[Joseph Zarr]

Just now, Bulldogboy said:

Roster management was terrible all year. The bottom of the roster needs to be stronger. Monteserio Collins etc need to go. Guessing Bauers has earned another contract after tonight. 

Collins absolutely does not need to go. He just got here. He's an insanely talented baseball player who has vastly improved at every stop. He is just getting started, my friend. 

[Bulldogboy]

Just now, Joseph Zarr said:

Collins absolutely does not need to go. He just got here. He's an insanely talented baseball player who has vastly improved at every stop. He is just getting started, my friend. 

I'm willing to give him a shot. If he can be helpful I'm all for it. 

[Joseph Zarr]

Alright All. I'm turning in. Stay tuned in the upcoming month or so. Spencer and I are going to do some deep dives into the Minor League side of the Brewers under the Brewers Fanatic podcast banner. You won't want to miss these. This is going to be two uber-nerds talking in depth about our system. I just did my post-season viewing tally last week - I watched 83% of all the full-season games this past season. I eclipsed last seasons 78%! Gotta lot of observations to add about the players I've watched and am excited to share it with the fanbase.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

6 minutes ago, adambr2 said:

The ultra-deflating thing about this season is that our performance was kind of our ceiling.

We won our division. were the 3rd best team in the NL. It's going to always be hard to ever ask for more than that from ANY Brewer team. 

And we still, could not even reach the NLDS. 

One of the reasons I hate the new format. Smaller markets now have a "chance" except no, they don't. They have an artificial chance like an 8 seed in the NBA. 

It was better before. If you had a good season and broke through, winning a 5 game series put you in the NLCS.  This team would have had to go through 3 huge market juggernauts just to play in a WS.  

It has torpedoed my interest in the sport. One of the reasons I'm not too upset is that I never got really invested this year. After 2019 I lost a lot of passion for this team and league. It just doesn't feel like you have a real chance. 

 

[wiguy94]

1 hour ago, TURBO said:

Yup, every single manager, at every single level, in every single league in the entire world, would have done the same exact thing.

It's stupid to argue otherwise.

I'd say the only mistakes from Murphy tonight were leaving in Devin after he hit Winker. Giving up that 4th run was an absolute back breaker. Also not pinch hitting for Ortiz in the 9th inning. He was absolutely horrendous in this series. Didn't have a single good AB. Was basically like a pitcher hitting up there.

[Jim French Stepstool]

59 minutes ago, Joseph Zarr said:

I come away from this season, and even this tough loss, incredibly optimistic. We have some dawgs in that clubhouse. Adames will be gone. We'll surely miss his regular season bat BUT a new storyline emerges - that's entertainment for me. Williams will most likely be traded for a decent haul of prospect(s) or player(s). Another intriguing storyline. My Minor League season essentially never ends with Winter Leagues upcoming and Rule Five and MInor League Free Agency and then the International signing period. There's just too much Brewers baseball to care about (for me, personally) to hang my hat all on the Brewers needing to succeed in the post-season. This was an improbably entertaining and successful season. The future is very bright for that clubhouse. They have the right manager managing this group. We have some really nice chips at Double and Triple-A I will look for next steps with. The Brewers will keep doing their thing. I will keep dreaming big and be fully prepared to accept the results, regardless. Devastating loss tonight? No. Disappointing? Yes. 

But, hey. We have Jackson f'ng Chourio for 10 more years. This was his rookie season. I'm going to let that sink in all off-season. We have a superstar in a small market. I'll consider this akin to Giannis' first post-season. Plenty of hope left in the tank. 

 

😫 Dammit!!!!! Stop making sense!!!!!😫

Different fans are wired differently. I keep hearing about playoff failures & WS exclusions. Both those things, yeah, you'd rather they be different. But I can look through the most powerful microscope there is & never see any correlation of this post-season performance with last years', or 2021, or 2018. The disappointment I feel right now is for THIS team, THIS year. And had we won a WS in 2023 I'd feel just as disappointed right now. No more, no less. I guess, to me, each season is its' own universe. But due to much of what you brought up above, I can't help but be buoyed by how this whole organization is put together & can't help but look forward with positivity. Bottom line, I guess I'm glad I'm wired the way I am.

[wOOgiE22]

Next year will be interesting, but in baseball nothing is guaranteed. 

Does Woody bounce back from shoulder surgery, or will he go the route of Jimmy Nelson and Ashby?  If he bounces back you have your ace back. 

Did the surgery fix Yelich’s back?  Will he be able to play most of the season and at least put up stats like this year?

Will Hoskins pick up his option?  My guess is 100% yes as who will want him. Will he have a good year in a contract year like Willy just did?

Joey Ortiz showed some flashes before his neck injury. Will he make strides like Turang did this season?

Chourio is another year older and will be the stud of this team. 

Again there is a lot to look forward to, but everything has to come together again and that is difficult over a 162 game season. 

[adambr2]

28 minutes ago, Devinep said:

Right, my list of screw ups definitely starts with Williams, then a bunch of hitters, then I had a couple issues with Murphy but after those guys. 

My only issue with Murphy tonight is that Garrett Mitchell never had the bat in his hand once tonight. Very disappointed in that. 

[Harold Hutchison]

20 minutes ago, Joseph Zarr said:

Thanks for that reminder. Yeah, that one year of control will certainly impact his value. A top 50-100 prospect. A Top 30 guy. And maybe a DSL guy seems like the appropriate value. Maybe swap one of those out for a fringe starting SS to try to catch utility rotation lightning in a bottle? 

I'd think the Royals might be a good match. They get Devin Williams. The Brewers get:

RHP Lucas Erceg

LHP Noah Cameron

LHP Oscar Rayo

[owbc]

I wish I hadn't listened to Uecker's call. It sounded like he was close to crying. It sounded like he was realizing that he isn't going to live to see the Brewers win a championship. I think he might be planning on hanging it up...or at least he was if they actually went on a deep run. [Edit--never mind, sounds like he told the team "see you next season"]

I want to see them win a pennant more than anything. It's incredible that this franchise has had more success in the last decade than I would have ever dreamed possible and yet they feel as far away as ever. They seem stuck as the third best team in the NL and the current playoff format is brutal to 3 seeds. I think the 6 seed should have to win all 3 games to advance. Giving a division winner a best-of-3 coin toss series is unfair. 

I guess it could be worse. Now that I live in Seattle, I have the joy of being a Mariners fan as well. Now that is a fanbase that has been tortured to death. If Seattle somehow wins a pennant before Milwaukee, then we'll know we have it bad.