2025 NFL Discussion

[HarryDoyle]

1 hour ago, OldHeidelberg said:

Jaire missing practice after some knee “treatment”, also had his knee drained in July. Supposedly should be back by week 1 but someone should probably tell Harbough that Jaire doesn’t play at less than 100%. Packers may have dodged a bullet here.

He has a low tolerance for pain, doesn't he?

[CheezWizHed]

On 8/20/2025 at 8:16 PM, HarryDoyle said:

He has a low tolerance for pain, doesn't he?

I doubt anyone who plays professional football has a low tolerance for pain.  JA had a lot of pride, but no idea how bad his knee really was.  

[HarryDoyle]

2 minutes ago, CheezWizHed said:

I doubt anyone who plays professional football has a low tolerance for pain.  JA had a lot of pride, but no idea how bad his knee really was.  

He was able to practice for a good chunk of that time he missed. So why couldn't he play?

[OldSchoolSnapper]

11 hours ago, HarryDoyle said:

He was able to practice for a good chunk of that time he missed. So why couldn't he play?

Because practice is a controlled environment where every variable can be manipulated?

[LouisEly]

Viqueens trade their backup QB to the Eagles and sign Carson Wentz. 

Apparently they were not happy with their backup QB... or weren't too confident in their starting QB and wanted a more experienced backup.

[CheezWizHed]

10 hours ago, LouisEly said:

Viqueens trade their backup QB to the Eagles and sign Carson Wentz. 

Apparently they were not happy with their backup QB... or weren't too confident in their starting QB and wanted a more experienced backup.

I'm guessing the latter.  JJ has barely played in the preseason; barely played last year...  I'm surprised it is taking them this long.  Frankly, JJ laying an egg could waste a pretty good team around him.  

[OldHeidelberg]

13 hours ago, CheezWizHed said:

I'm guessing the latter.  JJ has barely played in the preseason; barely played last year...  I'm surprised it is taking them this long.  Frankly, JJ laying an egg could waste a pretty good team around him.  

Wentz taking over as starter for some reason and having a career bounce back year would be pretty typical for the Vikings.

[HarveysWBs]

9 hours ago, OldHeidelberg said:

Wentz taking over as starter for some reason and having a career bounce back year would be pretty typical for the Vikings.

Sadly, yes. Until he gets sacked thirty times in the last three games of their season and they flame out in the wildcard round.

[CheezWizHed]

9 hours ago, HarveysWBs said:

Sadly, yes. Until he gets sacked thirty times in the last three games of their season and they flame out in the wildcard round.

Which... is also very typical Vikings.

Though, perhaps the Vikings depth isn't as good as I thought.  I just saw that they kept 7 UDFA rookies this year.  Wow!

[CheezWizHed]

I just noticed that the Steelers and Jets open their seasons against each other.  The battle of the QB swap!  Will it be one man's trash is another man's treasure? Or just still trash? 

[BrewerFan]

On 8/28/2025 at 8:19 AM, CheezWizHed said:

I just noticed that the Steelers and Jets open their seasons against each other.  The battle of the QB swap!  Will it be one man's trash is another man's treasure? Or just still trash? 

I'd have said the Steelers, but I just noticed they let Najee Harris go in free agency... and for a deal worth up to 9.5M. 

Both teams have young and improved offensive lines. They should both have good defenses. The Steelers range is like 9 wins to 11 wins year to year irrespective of their QB so I'll say 11 wins. 

The Jets are a team that you look at and at least I've thought the last few years they should be better because of their defense and because they have a HC that I think is a really good HC. Saleh... who got a raw deal and now Aaron Glenn. The Jets OL on paper looks really good, but it's gotta translate at some point. Olu Fashanu, the took the kid from Missouri 7th overall, Armand Membou. Vera-Tucker has talent, but has always been hurt. Tippman has been solid and then they signed a good OG from Baltimore in John Simpson. 

 

So the Jets could be a surprise team. There's not nearly the expectations from the last two years, but they're good on the OL/DL and Fields is being given the job and has a 2 year deal and maybe a little bit of a chance to relax and not press? Who knows what they'll do, but I wouldn't be shocked if they won 8-9 games. 

[BrewerFan]

On 8/22/2025 at 10:19 PM, HarryDoyle said:

He was able to practice for a good chunk of that time he missed. So why couldn't he play?

I mean, Jayden Reed is practicing right now. That COULD end up being a huge story line. 

But practice is mostly is no contact and you're just practicing against the other teams scheme. 

 

Christian Wilkins, the guy the Raiders cut 1 year into a 4 year 110M deal with 85.2M GTD because he had a Jones Fracture in his foot, opted to not have surgery, missed the rest of the year, then opted to not have surgery in the off-season and the Raiders disagreed. 

Not saying Reed will end up in that same camp obviously, but you can see the video from him practicing and he's clearly favoring that leg and it's not super encouraging.

 

So it sounds ot me, the Packers havea nother player that's choosing to try and put off surgery. 
-He has surgery when it happens and he's back by week 6-7. 
-He tries to play through it, realizes he needs surgery and he'll be out until the end of the year. 

In this case, the Packers have the Foot/ankle Doctor teams from all over the league send their guys to when they suffer an injury, so hopefully this is different, but this hasn't worked out great in the past.

 

Jaire has been in a different situation though. He had a PCL injury that he tried to play with vs the Bears, reinjured it. And if you have surgery, you're out 6-12 months. So I guess there was no point in having surgery immediately then. 
Same with the shoulder. He broke the ball. That is a brutal injury and you can have surgery. Again, season ending. He came back that year and played pretty well vs SF in coverage, but then you needed him to tackle Deebo and that hurts just thinking about. 

 

Maybe he has a lowER pain tolerance for the NFL, but he might just have had some injuries that were worse than we were led to believe and that has given the impression he was soft. 

[BrewerFan]

On 8/25/2025 at 11:06 PM, CheezWizHed said:

I'm guessing the latter.  JJ has barely played in the preseason; barely played last year...  I'm surprised it is taking them this long.  Frankly, JJ laying an egg could waste a pretty good team around him.  

Or getting hurt. 

I heard someone say he was a Brock Purdy type QB with more athleticsm(and a bigger arm) but until you play...that doesn't mean much, but say assuming he's good but has a minor injury that costs him 4 games. Just bringing in a guy who can go 2-2 can save your season(as Malik Willis did last year). 

 

The Vikings FO is underrated IMO. They rarely make the big splashy move, but they make smaller, smart moves. Last year Greenard and Van Ginkel(also drafted Dallas Turner)... as well as Florres. Now they added Hargrove and Johnathan Allen to play on the DL. 

Their CBs are pretty poor, but if you have a great pass rush, you don't need Deion and Champ Bailey.

[Fear The Chorizo]

On 8/27/2025 at 7:52 AM, CheezWizHed said:

Which... is also very typical Vikings.

Though, perhaps the Vikings depth isn't as good as I thought.  I just saw that they kept 7 UDFA rookies this year.  Wow!

Largely to do with very few draft picks thanks to a bunch of trades made by a front office that I think is actually quite overrated.

 

They still are going to struggle to block people, which is a big problem with a young quarterback...and yeah their depth is suspect.  I can see the Vikings being much worse than many assume they are, and they are my pick to finish in the NFC North cellar.

[BrewerFan]

On 8/31/2025 at 6:23 PM, Fear The Chorizo said:

Largely to do with very few draft picks thanks to a bunch of trades made by a front office that I think is actually quite overrated.

 

They still are going to struggle to block people, which is a big problem with a young quarterback...and yeah their depth is suspect.  I can see the Vikings being much worse than many assume they are, and they are my pick to finish in the NFC North cellar.

I think that OL is good and could be REALLY good. Darrisaw bounces between good and great. O'Neil is an elite run blocker and good pass blocker. 

Will Fries was a top 3 Guard last year before injury. They took Donovan Jackson with their top pick in Rd1. He's a stud in the run game, he stepped in for Josh Simmons and was outstanding at LT. And then their big question is Ryan Kelly, former PB Center from the Colts.

htthttps://www.pff.com/news/nfl-2025-nfl-offensive-line-rankings

https://ftw.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2025/08/28/nfl-offensive-line-rankings-2025/85850258007/

That's not to say your pick is wrong. I mean... the NFCN, I wouldn't be surprised to see any team win it. Even Chicago. Easy to envision Caleb taking a big jump, Ben Johnson getting that offense humming, a revamped OL(though still not set at LT as I think 'Sheed is better than Braxton Jones and I don't think Walker is anything to write home about). I don't know what their OL is. They added Thuney, Dalman, Jonah Jackson and then they've got like 4 guys who I think could get snaps at LT. They may have found a PS guy to take it over  Amegadjie(who I loved coming out), Ozzy Trapilo and then this guy Theo Bendedet who... I have no clue about, but maybe @nate82could shed some light here. I've heard Chicago radio talking about him like he could be a guy who could beat out the entrenched starter and two day two picks by the time Micah comes to Chicago Week 14.

 

Detroit is ranked way too low there by PFF. Having that one just overpowering and dominant OT makes it easier on everyone else. Sewell can take his man out of the play. If you have a guy like Sewell and Decker on the outside, you HAVE to pressure them up the middle, but I like the young guys they got. Still, it'd be the top OL if not for the loss of Ragnow. I'll certainly be hoping he doesn't have a mid-season change of mind. 

 

 

We have to rank last "on paper," right now. Morgan looks like he could be a Tom type player, but he hasn't actually done anything. He's athletic, has quick feet, but gotta see it. 
Banks-Again, they like him more than PFF and he allows Jenkins to kick inside, but...I'm not sure if he's solid or a stud. 
C-I think Jenkins has a big time year, but then you choose between signing him, MAYBE trading him. I don't know...
RG-Rhyan is passable, Morgan could be great here, Benton doesn't seem quite ready but as the year goes on?

RT-Tom, still underrated. Maybe the 3rd most valuable player on the team?

 

This is why Parsons was so big. We have great OL's in the division and we've got another great OL on the way to the SB in Philly and SF. 

 

[CheezWizHed]

12 hours ago, BrewerFan said:

Detroit is ranked way too low there by PFF. Having that one just overpowering and dominant OT makes it easier on everyone else. Sewell can take his man out of the play. If you have a guy like Sewell and Decker on the outside, you HAVE to pressure them up the middle, but I like the young guys they got. Still, it'd be the top OL if not for the loss of Ragnow. I'll certainly be hoping he doesn't have a mid-season change of mind. 

Of course, Parsons has a 20% QB pressure rate on Sewell (who has a 7.3% QB pressure rate overall). 😄

[nate82]

13 hours ago, BrewerFan said:

Theo Bendedet who... I have no clue about, but maybe @nate82could shed some light here. I've heard Chicago radio talking about him like he could be a guy who could beat out the entrenched starter and two day two picks by the time Micah comes to Chicago Week 14.

Theo is not a tackle as he doesn't have the arm length to be a tackle.  Could be a good guard in a year or two or a 4th/5th OL.  Depends on how well he improves this season but I am skeptical.  

 

https://x.com/jacobinfante24/status/1784372789798961162

[BrewerFan]

5 hours ago, nate82 said:

Theo is not a tackle as he doesn't have the arm length to be a tackle.  Could be a good guard in a year or two or a 4th/5th OL.  Depends on how well he improves this season but I am skeptical. 

I mean, Clifton and Tauscher had short arms! Clifton's were... I think the same size. 

But I don't know anything about this dude, I was just listening to the Waddle and Silvy or whatever it is. They were talking about hopefully he'd take the job by week 14 when talking about Parsons. 

They've got a couple other guys I like... and if you do value PFF, Braxton Jones grades out well. It usually makes sense to me, but sometimes it... just doesn't. 

 

6 hours ago, CheezWizHed said:

Of course, Parsons has a 20% QB pressure rate on Sewell (who has a 7.3% QB pressure rate overall). 😄

That's pretty wild. QB hits. I just went and looked at the 2 times they played(he was out last year). But PFF doesn't count the sacks as hits. So 20 QB hits is a really good season IMO. 30 is an ELITE season even without the sacks.
Parsons has 30 and 13 sacks(43 total QB hits)
26 and 13.5
33 and 14
23 and 12 -missed the last 4 games when they sat him down after being pretty much eliminated. 

THIS feels more like those SF teams when they had Bosa and then you couldn't double the other teams. When they brought a LBer, he was getting home. And they did NOT have great DBs most of the time. 

He also plays more physical. He rushes upfield, but then stops  on a dime and comes back under so well(this is off like 20 minutes of highlights, so not a comprehensive review, but... still). 

[HarryDoyle]

And Jalen Carter gets himself ejected on the opening kickoff. Spitting on a player is just stupid.

[young guns]

Looks like Carter is destined to have some company before the game ends.

[HarryDoyle]

Is there some bad blood between Dallas and Philly???

[HarryDoyle]

So much for defenses being ahead of offenses.

[nate82]

Prescott is still a bad QB.  Missed a TD to Ferguson by under throwing it and then led him into a dangerous catch.

Such an overrated QB. 

[HarryDoyle]

[HarryDoyle]

Of course I base this on nothing, but coming into this year it just feels like the end of the dynasty for the Chiefs. Only 6 points at halftime, and a five or six year run is about as long as anyone can sustain one.