2025 Packer's Draft Day

[Joseph Zarr]

I can not begin to describe how amazing it was to be in that crowd for the Golden pick. I don't care about the takes. I do not care if you like the pick or don't like the pick. That moment when Mark played up the crowd was pinnacle. That moment alone made the journey worth it. Unreal energy and excitement. I will take that with me into the grave.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

Hang on...the Packers WR group is... underrated?

The Packers current top 4 WRs are two 2nds, a 4th and a 5th who in 10 combined seasons have passed 700 yards twice (Reed twice). All of them have a drops issue. 

One can't stay on the field to save his life and one is depressed or unhappy or something, no one seems sure. You can make a case they only had to draft Golden because they've botched the WR group to this point. But whatever, stuff happens and you can only move forward I suppose. 

Reed is a solid NFL player, yes. I still think he has a chance to be really good. IMO Watson is the scariest guy they have but he is just completely unreliable. Doubs, I think it's pretty much time to admit he's just a guy.  Wicks is a decent 5th round pick, but that's what he is. Again, there is a reason they felt they had to pick Golden. 

Sorry if this is too crabby but their WR group is average or worse. Each guy is deserving of being on an NFL roster which is something, but none of them are very good. Reed has at least been productive but he completely vanished from about October to January. 

The WR group is the exact opposite, it's overrated by the fans and they really, really need Golden to be their best WR. 

[BrewerFan]

33 minutes ago, OldSchoolSnapper said:

Hang on...the Packers WR group is... underrated?

The Packers current top 4 WRs are two 2nds, a 4th and a 5th who in 10 combined seasons have passed 700 yards twice (Reed twice). All of them have a drops issue. 

One can't stay on the field to save his life and one is depressed or unhappy or something, no one seems sure. You can make a case they only had to draft Golden because they've botched the WR group to this point. But whatever, stuff happens and you can only move forward I suppose. 

Reed is a solid NFL player, yes. I still think he has a chance to be really good. IMO Watson is the scariest guy they have but he is just completely unreliable. Doubs, I think it's pretty much time to admit he's just a guy.  Wicks is a decent 5th round pick, but that's what he is. Again, there is a reason they felt they had to pick Golden. 

Sorry if this is too crabby but their WR group is average or worse. Each guy is deserving of being on an NFL roster which is something, but none of them are very good. Reed has at least been productive but he completely vanished from about October to January. 

The WR group is the exact opposite, it's overrated by the fans and they really, really need Golden to be their best WR. 

Good lord! I love on and you're ALREADY on here with your...positivity! 


Is this constant delightful disposition still my fault? 

 

I don't know, maybe what I said was just too...complicated? 

What I ACTUALLY said;

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The rest of the WRing core...I think we're underrating them a touch.
Jayden Reed is a VERY solid #2 WR. 
Doubs...is a bit of a question mark, but he's also a good #2/3 when he's on the field.
Wicks...he really reminds me of Adams. Adams took that jump year 3 so you obviously can't just assume that, but he's so smooth and he can get off the line so effortlessly. 

I'll give you this, Wicks IS a 5th rd pick. 

You...definitely nailed that one. 

He was also outstanding as a rookie...he dropped the ball last year. 

33 minutes ago, OldSchoolSnapper said:

Again, there is a reason they felt they had to pick Golden. 

You remember when they drafted guys like Cobb or Nelson? Generally before they needed them.

You also remember two years ago when it was all rookies and 2nd year players and they were a missed FG away from a likely trip back to Det for the NFCCG?

So yeah, I think we're underrating the current group A TOUCH. 
They were worse last year than the year before. 

https://packerswire.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/2025/03/24/green-bay-packers-wide-receivers-compare-nfl-stats-reed-watson-doubs/82623749007/

 

Dude, pour the cheerios out, throw away that bowl...I don't know where you live, so it wasn't on me, but I love on and you're still on here just searching for things to complain about!

[OldSchoolSnapper]

12 minutes ago, BrewerFan said:

Good lord! I love on and you're ALREADY on here with your...positivity! 


Is this constant delightful disposition still my fault? 

 

I don't know, maybe what I said was just too...complicated? 

What I ACTUALLY said;

I'll give you this, Wicks IS a 5th rd pick. 

You...definitely nailed that one. 

He was also outstanding as a rookie...he dropped the ball last year. 

This is the...laziest argument you can make to respond to MY comment and you could go back and do this for...about half of their picks and say 'this position is so bad, they wouldn't have taken a player there is they agreed with me.

 

Dude, pour the cheerios out, throw away that bowl...I don't know where you live, so it wasn't on me, but I love on and you're still on here just searching for things to complain about!

Bud, I think it's time to give this dumbass schtick a rest. Nothing about this is "negatve" or egregious. Love doesn't have adequate targets and obviously the Packers agree, as does every roundtable commentator who said this was a statement on the Packers WR room. Time to take the Green Goggles off and look at the numbers. 

I'll be waiting for Wicks to turn into Adams any day now. 🤣

[BrewerFan]

3 minutes ago, OldSchoolSnapper said:

Bud, I think it's time to give this dumbass schtick a rest. Nothing about this is "negatve" or egregious. Love doesn't have adequate targets and obviously the Packers agree, as does every roundtable commentator who said this was a statement on the Packers WR room. Time to take the Green Goggles off and look at the numbers. 

I'll be waiting for Wicks to turn into Adams any day now. 🤣

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Most of their first round picks have been a waste of resources. I'd settle for one that doesn't blow, couldn't care less what his position is.

 

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-They're going to take an offensive linemen and the Internet's going to explode.

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-I'll just say Jihaad Campbell to the Packers.

(I said he'd be an interesting pick! Unlikely but I'd like him).

 

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-I just threw a name out. Quay sucks.

 

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-Most of their first round picks have been a waste of resources. I'd settle for one that doesn't blow, couldn't care less what his position is.

 

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-Well we need to have an excuse for leaving the playoffs early.

 

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-That stat was always kinda dumb. They spent most of that time with Jennings, Nelson and Adams who were all "lowly" second round picks. They didn't need to draft one early for most of those years. I won't pretend to know a lick about Golden. But on face alone it's another smallish tweener WR who looks a lot like the guys they already have.

I don't know anything about him, but I'm going to lean heavily on his VERY miniscule % of drops and...randomly bring that up!
 

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-"So while he got better with drops in 2024, the reality is that Golden had a 9.2% drop rate at Houston and a 7.4% drop rate for his career. None of the other top receivers in the 2025 class had a career drop rate higher than 5.1%."

Then there is the guy you re-tweeted whose face looked like...well, a certain type of doughnut, right?

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-I literally haven't complained about the pick in a single utterance.

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https://x.com/ChuckFBass/status/1915598666687041933?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^tweet

Yes...not a SINGLE utterance, more like...several!

 

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Bud, I think it's time to give this dumbass schtick a rest. Nothing about this is "negatve" 

 

 

My mistake! I don't know how I twisted that all on my own and just created a negative theme to your posts! I would like to take this time to SINCERELY apologize for totally mischaracterizing your posts!

You didn't say "the season was over" about 3 quarters into the season was over last year, say they have no chance this year and you have been that little sliver of sunshine on an otherwise cloudy day! 

[bigred]

9 hours ago, HarryDoyle said:

Sheduer Sanders is being asked to turn out the lights at Lambeau when he leaves.

Sanders wasn't even in GB last night. He'd need very long arms. Lol

[OldSchoolSnapper]

19 minutes ago, BrewerFan said:

You remember when they drafted guys like Cobb or Nelson? Generally before they needed them.

 

 

Nelson was drafted in 2008; Driver was 32 at that time, Jennings was coming out of his 2nd year and Jones was on the team but was (correctly) assessed as a depth WR but not a star. Nelson was an early pick, that was much needed on the roster with Driver's impending decline, he just had a bit more juice left than probably expected.

Cobb was drafted 64th after winning the Super Bowl with the #1 ranked defense in the league. 

This comp doesn't make any sense anyway, because nobody the Packers have on their roster right now is even remotely comparable to Jennings or Driver especially at the point they drafted Cobb. Jennings was an established star by then.

Or is the argument that because we lost a divisional playoff game last year, our WRs are good?

Or are we hanging our hat on having the No. 4 ranked 4th WR in the league? Lol. My God, there's Kool-Aid, and there's green-dyed vodka. Their WR group is not anything special. It's a pool of average. Having a bunch of average guys is...just average.

 

 

[BrewerFan]

19 minutes ago, OldSchoolSnapper said:

 

I'll be waiting for Wicks to turn into Adams any day now. 

Oh...and on this one, yes, because if I say he REMINDS me of Adams(and he's been better statistically his first two years than Adams who many Packers fans and beat Writers wanted cut for his drops)...then that DEFINITELY means I expect him to turn into the same EXACT caliber of player!

 

But maybe go check out Adams early on? Then Wicks...or...I don't know, see if there's any kids who may be bending your lawn the wrong way...

[OldSchoolSnapper]

4 minutes ago, BrewerFan said:

 

Dude. Posting jokes from Twitter isn't negative. Posting jokes about being eliminated from the playoffs isn't negative. Quay Walker does suck. Try to lighten up a bit, perceive sarcasm, and some semblance of humor. My god, give this a rest already.

I have said about 12 times now I don't have an issue with Golden. Posting factual data about his drops isn't negative. Someone specifically pointed out he "could catch," which didn't make sense as it is literally the opposite of his scouted weaknesses.

[BrewerFan]

 

Nelson was drafted in 2008; Driver was 32 at that time, Jennings was coming out of his 2nd year and Jones was on the team but was (correctly) assessed as a depth WR but not a star. Nelson was an early pick, that was much needed on the roster with Driver's impending decline, he just had a bit more juice left than probably expected.

Cobb was drafted 64th after winning the Super Bowl with the #1 ranked defense in the league. 

This comp doesn't make any sense anyway, because nobody the Packers have on their roster right now is even remotely comparable to Jennings or Driver especially at the point they drafted Cobb. Jennings was an established star by then.

Or is the argument that because we lost a divisional playoff game last year, our WRs are good?

Or are we hanging our hat on having the No. 4 ranked 4th WR in the league? Lol. My God, there's Kool-Aid, and there's green-dyed vodka. Their WR group is not anything special. It's a pool of average. Having a bunch of average guys is...just average.

Jordy was drafted when they had 2 1000 yard receivers and James Jones. He didn't become a starter until his 4th year in the league. Not the strongest argument. 

Cobb was drafted when they had when they had Jennings, Driver, JAMES, JORDY, FINLEY....famously a poor receiving core!

 

Or is the argument that because we lost a divisional playoff game last year, our WRs are good?

 

Huh? No...that...that's not the argument. 

The argument was...and this was the extent of it;

The rest of the WRing core...I think we're underrating them a touch.

 

 

Any other argument you conjure up from there, I...don't know what you want me to do with. 

[BrewerFan]

 

Dude. Posting jokes from Twitter isn't negative. Posting jokes about being eliminated from the playoffs isn't negative. Quay Walker does suck. Try to lighten up a bit, perceive sarcasm, and some semblance of humor. My god, give this a rest already.

I have said about 12 times now I don't have an issue with Golden. Posting factual data about his drops isn't negative. Someone specifically pointed out he "could catch," which didn't make sense as it is literally the opposite of his scouted weaknesses.

You mean the guy you knew nothing about?

That very slight drop pct, primarily from his time in Houston...was enough for you to make the argument it was "literally(not figuratively) the opposite of his "scouted weakness?" 

 

Sure. 

[OldSchoolSnapper]

Just now, BrewerFan said:

Jordy was drafted when they had 2 1000 yard receivers and James Jones. He didn't become a starter until his 4th year in the league. Not the strongest argument. 

 

Yes, and one of them was 33 years old at the time of the pick, leaving them with one very young WR (who actually had not eclipsed 1,000 yards yet, but I'll let that slide) and Jones who was a projected slot guy. Picking Nelson made complete sense. They were going to need a WR by the time he would really be ready to play. 

And again, Cobb was picked 64th. They had just won the Super Bowl. That was as BPA as a draft can get. 

But more salient point: the comparison to last night doesn't make any sense. You're suggesting they didn't really need Golden just like they didn't really need Cobb or Nelson. If Golden isn't contributing a lot next year, the Packers have a big problem. Driver was off like his 5th or 6th straight 1,000 yard season. They have nothing close to that on the current roster. I can buy that they didn't need Nelson to play immediately. They absolutely do need Golden to play.

[Sixtolezcano]

Welcome to the Snapper and Brewerfan show. YIKES!!! Please DM each other.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

4 minutes ago, BrewerFan said:

You mean the guy you knew nothing about?

That very slight drop pct, primarily from his time in Houston...was enough for you to make the argument it was "literally(not figuratively) the opposite of his "scouted weakness?" 

 

Sure. 

Correct, the guy I knew nothing about. There's this cool thing called Google in which you can type a guy's name in and read his scouting report in about a minute. To be honest I am not too concerned about his drops, just seemed odd that someone pointed out his catching as an asset when it is literally listed on the weaknesses of his scouting report. 

I didn't even comment on it. I posted a quote from his report, with no commentary, are you are still rambling about it a day later because you're obsessed with me. 

 

[BrewerFan]

2 minutes ago, OldSchoolSnapper said:

Jones who was a projected slot guy

James Jones was projected as a slot guy in 2007?

LOL...sure. 

You and Sixto or whatever are just so...over the top negative...I don't know what happened. I'm sorry for whatever it is! I'll go back to ignoring ya. Take care and I hope you...put a lock on your cheerios. I kinda thought waking up and checking the board the FIRST post from you wouldn't immediately be you intentionally misrepresenting what I said, but also complaining...but oh well. 

[OldSchoolSnapper]

5 minutes ago, Sixtolezcano said:

Welcome to the Snapper and Brewerfan show. YIKES!!! Please DM each other.

Oh, don't worry. He's been insulting me via DM all morning too, not just on the board. 

I made a commentary about the Packers WR group being average. Every post I have made this morning has been completely relevant to the pick and the WR group. I am not going to pretend this is a 2-way thing. He clearly has a personal issue with me. I am on topic, he's not.

[BrewerFan]

4 minutes ago, OldSchoolSnapper said:

Correct, the guy I knew nothing about. There's this cool thing called Google in which you can type a guy's name in and read his scouting report in about a minute. To be honest I am not too concerned about his drops, just seemed odd that someone pointed out his catching as an asset when it is literally listed on the weaknesses of his scouting report. 

I didn't even comment on it. I posted a quote from his report, with no commentary, are you are still rambling about it a day later because you're obsessed with me. 

Yup. From his scouting report...

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Though he broke out late as a 2025 NFL Draft prospect, Matthew Golden has plenty of desirable qualities as a potential high-end movement-Z and impact starter at the NFL level.

At 5’11”, 191 pounds, Golden’s 4.29 40-yard dash has caused many to bill him as a speed WR primarily, but that’s a misconception. He certainly has high-end speed and burst, but he wins with his fluid and twitched-up mobility as a separator, and his liquid-smooth catch-point skills.

With a vast route tree, a prolific separation framework, slippery RAC ability, and stalwart conversion skills, Golden is a complete offensive catalyst, in the mold of Chris Olave or T.Y. Hilton.

 

And I'm DEFINITELY obsessed with you. It's not like you woke up this morning and AGAIN immediately started whining about...well, my post, but reworded...

[BrewerFan]

Well hey now! Look forward to seeing some of the predictions today!

 

Just gonna leave this here before I leave for the day;

23. Green Bay Packers: Matthew Golden, WR, Texas

This marks the end of a streak for Green Bay, which hadn’t selected a receiver in the first round since 2002. The Packers needed a talent infusion at that position, however, especially with Christian Watson suffering an ACL tear in January. In Golden, the Packers are getting a field stretcher who can open up the second level for tight ends Tyler Kraft and Luke Musgrave.

After two seasons at Houston, Golden transferred to Texas, where he put up terrific numbers last fall (58 catches for 987 yards and nine touchdowns). Even more impressive, he averaged 17 yards per catch. His speed separates him from other receiver prospects in this class — at the combine, Golden ran a 4.29-second 40.

Oh, and his HANDS

Nick Saban spoke about how good his hands were(though opinions seem to vary...I guess on this issue).

Great Hands

Golden is a natural "hands-catcher" who does a great job of manipulating his body to adjust to off-target throws while maintaining control through contact. He has a knack for high-pointing the ball by elevating with body control, great hand-eye coordination and good timing.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

"Focus drops still pepper his play"

"Consistency will be key for Golden at the next level, as he’s dealt with some head-scratching drops that are tough to stomach when you know the highlight-reel grabs he’s capable of at times."

"Improved hands in 2024 but has a history with drops: Five over 56 targets in 2022, six over 63 targets in 2023 and technically four over 58 targets in 2024, but it's a stretch to call two of them his fault (and only one was based on concentration). So while he got better with drops in 2024, the reality is that Golden had a 9.2% drop rate at Houston and a 7.4% drop rate for his career. None of the other top receivers in the 2025 class had a career drop rate higher than 5.1%."

"Concentration drops pop up more than you'd like to see – focus seems to waver when thinking about running before securing the catch"

These aren't my opinions. Seemed completely relevant to bring up when discussing his selection.

[homer]

19 minutes ago, OldSchoolSnapper said:

"Focus drops still pepper his play"

"Consistency will be key for Golden at the next level, as he’s dealt with some head-scratching drops that are tough to stomach when you know the highlight-reel grabs he’s capable of at times."

"Improved hands in 2024 but has a history with drops: Five over 56 targets in 2022, six over 63 targets in 2023 and technically four over 58 targets in 2024, but it's a stretch to call two of them his fault (and only one was based on concentration). So while he got better with drops in 2024, the reality is that Golden had a 9.2% drop rate at Houston and a 7.4% drop rate for his career. None of the other top receivers in the 2025 class had a career drop rate higher than 5.1%."

"Concentration drops pop up more than you'd like to see – focus seems to waver when thinking about running before securing the catch"

These aren't my opinions. Seemed completely relevant to bring up when discussing his selection.

He was projected to be a mid-1st-round pick. The Packers got him at 23. That is good value. If he was perfect, he would have gone top 10.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

Just now, homer said:

He was projected to be a mid-1st-round pick. The Packers got him at 23. That is good value. If he was perfect, he would have gone top 10.

I have ZERO issue with the pick. You can find a weakness about anyone coming out of the draft. I only mentioned it at all because someone specifically mentioned catching as what separated him from our current group, when the scouting could basically be a swap out with Doubs - makes highlight reel catches and drops gimmies.

The whole turn of the last page is frankly bizarre. It was an area of need. I assumed most here were happy because they thought the Packers need a WR. I guess emphasizing that was controversial for some reason. I would have preferred someone of the 6'4, 6'5 variety, but that is not really a dealbreaker to be a great WR.

[patrickgpe]

Love to see the packers make a Christian Watson type move and trade #2 and #3 to move up to get Will Johnson.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

1 minute ago, patrickgpe said:

Love to see the packers make a Christian Watson type move and trade #2 and #3 to move up to get Will Johnson.

I am still holding out hope they have a reconciliation with Jaire and add a pass rusher today. If they really wanted to trade him I would have guessed they'd have done it by now.

[BrewerFan]

11 minutes ago, OldSchoolSnapper said:

I have ZERO issue with the pick. You can find a weakness about anyone coming out of the draft. I only mentioned it at all because someone specifically mentioned catching as what separated him from our current group, when the scouting could basically be a swap out with Doubs - makes highlight reel catches and drops gimmies.

The whole turn of the last page is frankly bizarre. It was an area of need. I assumed most here were happy because they thought the Packers need a WR. I guess emphasizing that was controversial for some reason. I would have preferred someone of the 6'4, 6'5 variety, but that is not really a dealbreaker to be a great WR.

Kinda feels like... *NEARLY everyone was happy about it...

 

Did someone say they didn't like him because he isn't 6'4, 6'5?

[CheezWizHed]

8 hours ago, BrewerFan said:

I'm not a big fan of Royal, but I like Higgins. What do you think they do that Golden doesn't? Higgins has that big frame, but...what we needed more than anything was someone to replace the deep speed that Watson provided. That's why I liked Thornton(and Higgins). 

 

I would take that trade without a doubt, but there's just too much long term upside in the additional 1st. Moving down ~20 spots is a relatively small price to pay, but I really like Golden. IF he's Olave but has that type of speed, that's a unique player. 

 

The rest of the WRing core...I think we're underrating them a touch.

Jayden Reed is a VERY solid #2 WR. 
Doubs...is a bit of a question mark, but he's also a good #2/3 when he's on the field.
Wicks...he really reminds me of Adams. Adams took that jump year 3 so you obviously can't just assume that, but he's so smooth and he can get off the line so effortlessly. 
Add Kraft, Musgrave...I still think Thornton could be a great pick if he's there in Rd5. 

But that's a group of receivers that can beat you on all 3 levels, that can make guys miss and that you can do a LOT with. 

If you can add a guy who runs clean, crisp routes, excels at double moves and runs a 4.29, I don't see a weakness. 

What Golden doesn't bring to the team is diversity.  He is similar to Reed in size and skillset, although faster (at least on a track).  I think Love needs a big WR that gets open against man coverage (i.e. strong, good routes running) that can win the sideline.  Maybe Golden turns into Justin Jefferson 2.0, but I fear that a team with strong press CBs will simply shut us down.  Most people figured that out about Reed last year. 

I like our current WR core, but I try to be realistic about them too.  Doubs most likely won't develop more as a WR.  He is a decent #2, but his injuries scare me.  Wicks could be a very interesting player... but he regressed last year.  Maybe he takes the 3rd year jump Davante did... or maybe he doesn't.  How many eggs do we place in that basket? Reed is the best WR we have this year (assuming Watson is out) and he could be a solid #1... but he totally vanished the second half of last year... After those three players, we basically have role players.  For a game where you often use 3 or 4 WRs at a time, having only 3 legit WRs and have each of them be surrounded by questions isn't a great position to be in.