Trade Deadline: Buyers

[wallus]

I made a thread for sellers, might as well do a Buyers one. With players coming back, I don't think we would need a ton. 

Brewers: R. Urias (BTV: 6.5)

Orioles: T. Black (Did not see any recent BTV valuations)

Ramon isn't a star by any means but he would likely provide competent production at 3rd base and he won't cost a ton. You also have team control for next season which I think is important. 

Brewers: I. Kiner-Falefa (BTV: -0.8)

Pirates: L. Lara (BTV: 4.3)

IKF is so smooth at SS and we would have amazing defense up the middle. He is a rental at a somewhat significant contract so that is why I am guessing BTV has a negative value for him. This would allow us to send Ortiz down for a reset in the minors.

I do not think the team needs any pitching at all. The main thing is to get guys back from injuries and get competent players to play SS and 3rd. With everyone back, you can squint enough to have a decent offense.

Turang: 2B

Chourio: LF

Contreras: C

Yelich: DH

Hoskins: 1B

Frelick: RF

Urias: 3B

Mitchell: CF

IKF: SS

[Jopal78]

15 hours ago, wallus said:

I made a thread for sellers, might as well do a Buyers one. With players coming back, I don't think we would need a ton. 

Brewers: R. Urias (BTV: 6.5)

Orioles: T. Black (Did not see any recent BTV valuations)

Ramon isn't a star by any means but he would likely provide competent production at 3rd base and he won't cost a ton. You also have team control for next season which I think is important. 

Brewers: I. Kiner-Falefa (BTV: -0.8)

Pirates: L. Lara (BTV: 4.3)

IKF is so smooth at SS and we would have amazing defense up the middle. He is a rental at a somewhat significant contract so that is why I am guessing BTV has a negative value for him. This would allow us to send Ortiz down for a reset in the minors.

I do not think the team needs any pitching at all. The main thing is to get guys back from injuries and get competent players to play SS and 3rd. With everyone back, you can squint enough to have a decent offense.

Turang: 2B

Chourio: LF

Contreras: C

Yelich: DH

Hoskins: 1B

Frelick: RF

Urias: 3B

Mitchell: CF

IKF: SS

It’s not as if Tyler Black is banging on the door to the majors and is blocked everywhere. He hasn’t been able to   crack the 26 man roster in Milwaukee where they have journeymen like Isaac Collins and Jake Bauers playing OF, and a revolving door at 3B.

Black is more valuable to the Brewers due to his cache as a former first round pick than he has in a trade to another club right now. 

[wallus]

2 hours ago, Jopal78 said:

It’s not as if Tyler Black is banging on the door to the majors and is blocked everywhere. He hasn’t been able to   crack the 26 man roster in Milwaukee where they have journeymen like Isaac Collins and Jake Bauers playing OF, and a revolving door at 3B.

Black is more valuable to the Brewers due to his cache as a former first round pick than he has in a trade to another club right now. 

He's been injured up until recently

[wntrtxn21]

23 hours ago, wallus said:

I made a thread for sellers, might as well do a Buyers one. With players coming back, I don't think we would need a ton. 

Brewers: R. Urias (BTV: 6.5)

Orioles: T. Black (Did not see any recent BTV valuations)

Ramon isn't a star by any means but he would likely provide competent production at 3rd base and he won't cost a ton. You also have team control for next season which I think is important. 

Brewers: I. Kiner-Falefa (BTV: -0.8)

Pirates: L. Lara (BTV: 4.3)

IKF is so smooth at SS and we would have amazing defense up the middle. He is a rental at a somewhat significant contract so that is why I am guessing BTV has a negative value for him. This would allow us to send Ortiz down for a reset in the minors.

I do not think the team needs any pitching at all. The main thing is to get guys back from injuries and get competent players to play SS and 3rd. With everyone back, you can squint enough to have a decent offense.

Turang: 2B

Chourio: LF

Contreras: C

Yelich: DH

Hoskins: 1B

Frelick: RF

Urias: 3B

Mitchell: CF

IKF: SS

No way in the world I'd trade Lara for a rental like Kiner-Falefa. He would make little or no difference and he's gone at the end of the year.. I like Urias to the Crew, but I can't imagine the O's trading him for Black, especially with Westburg hurt. The guy I'd target is Josh Smith of the Rangers. He's a backup infielder for the Rangers and they have Foscue waiting in the wings. Smith comes with 3 more years of team control. He's not going to be a top five 3B, but he can give the Crew .260's BA/14-15 HRs/.730-740 OPS. He plays a good 3B and he can play any infield position. 

[wallus]

2 hours ago, wntrtxn21 said:

No way in the world I'd trade Lara for a rental like Kiner-Falefa. He would make little or no difference and he's gone at the end of the year.. I like Urias to the Crew, but I can't imagine the O's trading him for Black, especially with Westburg hurt. The guy I'd target is Josh Smith of the Rangers. He's a backup infielder for the Rangers and they have Foscue waiting in the wings. Smith comes with 3 more years of team control. He's not going to be a top five 3B, but he can give the Crew .260's BA/14-15 HRs/.730-740 OPS. He plays a good 3B and he can play any infield position. 

Who you giving up for Smith?

[Scooterfletcher]

I am by far less worried about our return for Peralta as I am worried about miscalculation of Reece Olson and Seth Smith types in our own organization being given away largely for free because “we don’t feel they are worthy of protection”,

[jay87shot]

I like the idea of someone like Ronny Mauricio. The Mets have a bench of infield depth and before the injury he was a 5 tool highly exciting prospect. At the very least he is a top notch utility guy but he can play SS and 3B. I don't know what the Mets would want.

Josh Smith would be OK but probably pretty expensive.

IKF would be trade target at this point but Lara is to much. For IKF maybe like Mark Manfrdi if they eat some cash maybe a bit better like Kuehner

Urias for Black wouldn't be bad but I would guess they would want pitching. KC Hunt, Cornielle, Birchard, or Kuehner and a lotto guy in rookie ball.

[SF70]

On 5/23/2025 at 7:29 PM, wallus said:

I made a thread for sellers, might as well do a Buyers one. With players coming back, I don't think we would need a ton. 

Brewers: R. Urias (BTV: 6.5)

Orioles: T. Black (Did not see any recent BTV valuations)

Ramon isn't a star by any means but he would likely provide competent production at 3rd base and he won't cost a ton. You also have team control for next season which I think is important. 

Brewers: I. Kiner-Falefa (BTV: -0.8)

Pirates: L. Lara (BTV: 4.3)

IKF is so smooth at SS and we would have amazing defense up the middle. He is a rental at a somewhat significant contract so that is why I am guessing BTV has a negative value for him. This would allow us to send Ortiz down for a reset in the minors.

I do not think the team needs any pitching at all. The main thing is to get guys back from injuries and get competent players to play SS and 3rd. With everyone back, you can squint enough to have a decent offense.

Turang: 2B

Chourio: LF

Contreras: C

Yelich: DH

Hoskins: 1B

Frelick: RF

Urias: 3B

Mitchell: CF

IKF: SS

Urias should be available closer to the deadline, with Westburg needing more time to heal. Unfortunately, should be more expensive than we think due to demand, but he’d be a perfect stopgap until we get 1 of Wilken-Pratt to the bigs.

Black works for me, but it might take a stronger return than Black. I’d do Lara & Hunt, which would sting but Urias would be worth it I believe.

 

[TURBO]

23 hours ago, Scooterfletcher said:

I am by far less worried about our return for Peralta as I am worried about miscalculation of Reece Olson and Seth Smith types in our own organization being given away largely for free because “we don’t feel they are worthy of protection”,

Seth Smith?

[jay87shot]

2 hours ago, TURBO said:

Seth Smith?

I would guess he meant Shane Smith.

[nate82]

On 5/24/2025 at 7:37 AM, Jopal78 said:

It’s not as if Tyler Black is banging on the door to the majors and is blocked everywhere. He hasn’t been able to   crack the 26 man roster in Milwaukee where they have journeymen like Isaac Collins and Jake Bauers playing OF, and a revolving door at 3B.

Black is more valuable to the Brewers due to his cache as a former first round pick than he has in a trade to another club right now. 

That is literally the return the Orioles should be expecting for someone like Ramon Urias.  You can expect maybe another 1.5 WAR for the remaining of the season from Urias.  That is literally in the range of someone like Black for a return.  You could even argue that Black would be an overpay for 1.5 years of Ramon Urias who will more than likely only be a half year rental as I don't believe he would be worth his final arbitration year.  So teams are going to look at Urias as a half year rental.  Urias is a sub .700 OPS 3B, I am not sure exactly what you think a sub .700 OPS 3B will get on the market but if you think it is someone better than Black then you are insane. 

[Jopal78]

7 hours ago, nate82 said:

That is literally the return the Orioles should be expecting for someone like Ramon Urias.  You can expect maybe another 1.5 WAR for the remaining of the season from Urias.  That is literally in the range of someone like Black for a return.  You could even argue that Black would be an overpay for 1.5 years of Ramon Urias who will more than likely only be a half year rental as I don't believe he would be worth his final arbitration year.  So teams are going to look at Urias as a half year rental.  Urias is a sub .700 OPS 3B, I am not sure exactly what you think a sub .700 OPS 3B will get on the market but if you think it is someone better than Black then you are insane. 

No, my point is that there’s probably not much interest in Black period. He  hasn’t exactly kicked down the major league door, doesn’t have a real position on defense and has an history of being injured (321 games in 4 years as a professional). 

At this point because of the bonus they spent on him he’s likely worth more to Milwaukee than to anyone else.

[wallus]

The Dbacks might be sellers if Burnes is out for a long time.

Brewers: Suarez (BTV: 4.7)

Dbacks: Wichrowski (BTV: 5.4)

[MilwaukeeBeers]

Wichrowski is a little rich for my blood considering the salary he has this year and he would be just a half season rental. Especially with his velo bump and starting to miss a lot more bats at AA.

[wallus]

35 minutes ago, MilwaukeeBeers said:

Wichrowski is a little rich for my blood considering the salary he has this year and he would be just a half season rental. Especially with his velo bump and starting to miss a lot more bats at AA.

Suggest someone else/another package.

My reasoning is the Dbacks don't have a lot for pitching in their minors and Suarez is on the leaderboard for homers. There would be competition for him with how terrible 3B production is around the league.

[jay87shot]

I think Isiah Kiner Faleafa is the guy to go after at least early like now. He doesn't have the power that our lineup could use but he is a plus defender at SS and 3B. He hits well enough to at consistency and at 7.5 million the Pirates might move him early to save some money. Maybe something like Wes Clarke and Hedbert/Garcia would be enough.

[jay87shot]

6 hours ago, wallus said:

Suggest someone else/another package.

My reasoning is the Dbacks don't have a lot for pitching in their minors and Suarez is on the leaderboard for homers. There would be competition for him with how terrible 3B production is around the league.

I would go with Cornielle if they want pitching. His stats are enticing but doesn't have nearly the upside of Wichrowski. Then add a 2nd piece like Alastre who has some intregue but isn't a big part of our future (lower ceiling).

[wiguy94]

8 minutes ago, jay87shot said:

I would go with Cornielle if they want pitching. His stats are enticing but doesn't have nearly the upside of Wichrowski. Then add a 2nd piece like Alastre who has some intregue but isn't a big part of our future (lower ceiling).

Cornielle and Alastre isn't getting you close to Suarez value. Neither of those two have much if any trade value.

[Playing Catch]

I would bet that anyone that thinks Wichrowski is too much to offer for Suarez, also thinks that the Brewers shouldn't meaningfully try to improve the big league roster via any trade, and should instead divest itself of MLB assets and plan for 2026 and beyond.

This would be a perfectly reasonable stance.

I would take Suarez. I don't even really like Suarez very much, but I would give Wichrowski for him, easily.

[Brewer77]

Suarez would likely be one of the best IF bats moved at the deadline - a single 40+/45 FV prospect is a reasonable ask for that quality of player

[Jopal78]

2 hours ago, Brewer77 said:

Suarez would likely be one of the best IF bats moved at the deadline - a single 40+/45 FV prospect is a reasonable ask for that quality of player

Suarez is a low avg/OBP hitter with below average defense at 3B. Would he raise the “floor” of talent on the roster?  Sure, but it seems more like a trade off speed and defense for power. I’m not certain such a trade off would be high priority for the Brewers 

[Brewer77]

1 hour ago, Jopal78 said:

Suarez is a low avg/OBP hitter with below average defense at 3B. Would he raise the “floor” of talent on the roster?  Sure, but it seems more like a trade off speed and defense for power. I’m not certain such a trade off would be high priority for the Brewers 

Suarez would raise both the floor and ceiling of this lineup (career 2nd half: .262/.339/.486). I imagine they’d be interested in sacrificing some defense for more offense, but we’ll see how Durbin is swinging the bat a month and a half from now and where they’re sitting in the playoff picture

[JohnBriggs12]

1 hour ago, Jopal78 said:

Suarez is a low avg/OBP hitter with below average defense at 3B. Would he raise the “floor” of talent on the roster?  Sure, but it seems more like a trade off speed and defense for power. I’m not certain such a trade off would be high priority for the Brewers 

 

Seriously?  Suarez is one of the premier power bats in all of baseball.  If there ever was the perfect rental for this Brewer team it's Suarez.  Cubs have both speed and power.  You need both to play with the big boys.  The fact that he plays 3B is icing on the cake.  Not to mention a move like that would send a clear message to the Cubs that it's not just a wild card the Brewers are looking for. 

[Austin Tatious]

I would love Josh Smith or one of the other Ranger 3B types.  Someone like that could get you a couple of years while prospects percolate up the system.  

It might take a couple of quality prospects in the Wichrowski, Black, Lara zone.  But this is a huge need.  

Prospect over-valuation in baseball is as bad as draft picks in the NFL.  The football teams act like 4th or 5th round picks are gold nuggets and then most of them barely contribute.  Brewers traded packages for Yelich and others and essentially gave up nil.  

The left side of the infield is a problem and can hurt again next year and the Brewers have been too cautious upgrading.  Perfection is the enemy of competent.  You can nitpick any player who is a good target.  Meanwhile, we’ve seen ineptitude.  

I am happy to see Durbin come alive.  He’s very likable and can be a sparkplug.  But he is a second baseman masquerading at third base.  I’ve posted several times that I think Ortiz is way better than he’s shown but the past couple of months are just factual on what he’s capable of, and this has been ongoing since the last part of last year.  

Smith-Turang-Durbin would be far more logical, going 3b, Ss, 2b with Ortiz in a utility role after resetting at Nashville so he can calm down and get some coaching.  Sure, you can nitpick everything I said.  Here is a problem with this guy, etc.  That’s not the analysis.  The question is can we do better than we have, and have a bridge organizationally as we wait on some of our prospects (who will also need development time at the MLB level too).  

[LouisEly]

28 minutes ago, JohnBriggs12 said:

 

Seriously?  Suarez is one of the premier power bats in all of baseball.  If there ever was the perfect rental for this Brewer team it's Suarez.  Cubs have both speed and power.  You need both to play with the big boys.  The fact that he plays 3B is icing on the cake.  Not to mention a move like that would send a clear message to the Cubs that it's not just a wild card the Brewers are looking for. 

The Brewers have not shown any desire to add high strikeout players from outside the organization in years, and Suarez is one of the highest strikeout players in the league.

Couple that with his below-average defense (I think the last thing the Brewers want is their pitchers throwing extra pitches because of poor defense), and I would be very surprised if he is high on the Brewers wish list.