Off Season Ideas

[BrewerFan]

13 hours ago, Lloyd330 said:

Offer Turang 7/100 - Buy's out 4 years of Arbitration. 

Very similar to what Andres Gimenez got

I have been saying... for YEARS that Turang reminded me of a LHed Trea Turner minus 20 slug 20+ points less, BUT that he'd be a better defender. 

I'm wondering if I even need to qualify it anymore!

I mean, he's put up 11.5 WAR in his first 3 years, .800 OPS, he looked SO bad at the plate as a rookie, then he started out well last year and last summer he went back to this hyper defensive swing. Now it's just a smooth, easy stroke that generates a lot of pop and it's all because of his vision at the plate.

7/100...WITH one more caveat which would be an option. A big one, but a 25M option and he can earn 250K for 150 Games, ASG, GG, 

 

Reasons I'd be hesitant to do this deal;

1-Jesus Made
2-Luis Pena
3-Cooper Pratt
4-Josh Adamzcewski
5-Wilken/Fischer/Adams/ and the most criminally underrated man in the Brewers farm system, Blake Burke

But, Made could play 3B. Switch hitter with Chourio upside but a capable SS.
Pratt-He seems to be a better SS..as of now.
Pena-CF with 70 speed and a 60 hit tool?
Adamczewski could be a super utility. LF/2B, some SS, You'd still have 3 SS at 3B/2B/SS, so he would get ABs.
And then I named many of the 1B/3B prospects and we have a ton...I think Burke forces his way to Milwaukee, Fischer not long after, Adams and Wilken are there. 

 

But we have such a great finish to this season and then next year... that's for 2027.. 

Long way of saying, I love the idea, I'd do it.. you could figure it out... as long as we don't get too many more elite SS prospects popping up. We know what a burden that can be!

[SF70]

Don’t think Turang would go for a 7/100 extension because he wouldn’t get to FA until his age 33 season. Hes going to want the huge payday no later than his age 30 or 31 season.

The most realistic extension, imo, would be to buy out 1 year of FA so he can get to FA at age 30. 

Give him more $ thru arby and a fair FA year salary and he might go for it.

Even with all of our MI prospect talent, getting the extra year from Turang so he can play 5 more years with Chourio and likely 2-3 with Made really improves the team’s WS chances later this decade, and helps stagger the insertions the team will be making with their best in baseball prospect talent.

Frelick is another I’d be offering an extension to. And get it done, like Turang this offseason before he adds power to his game. 

Getting a core of veteran, impactful talent locked for the next half-decade, all still within their prime-performance years would be huge for this team’s WS chances thru the decade and allow for an easier transition for the best of the potential impact prospect talent we have in our system (Made-Pena-Quero-Dinges-Payne-Pratt-Fischer) and others yet to be acquired.

Incredible time to be a Brewers fan.

[BrewerFan]

10 hours ago, SF70 said:

Don’t think Turang would go for a 7/100 extension because he wouldn’t get to FA until his age 33 season. Hes going to want the huge payday no later than his age 30 or 31 season.

As big a Turang fan as I am, right now this past August is doing a LOT of the Heavy Lifting for his career outlook moving forward. You'd have to really be of the belief he's closer to that guy than he has been most of the rest of his career... which is an elite defender at 2nd with a ~.680 OPS. I think he is... I don't know that it'd be smart for Turang to turn down 9 figures. 

I think he's going to be a more reliable offensive threat, but we'll see. Hard to know if the Brewers would even offer it...

[SF70]

10 hours ago, BrewerFan said:

As big a Turang fan as I am, right now this past August is doing a LOT of the Heavy Lifting for his career outlook moving forward. You'd have to really be of the belief he's closer to that guy than he has been most of the rest of his career... which is an elite defender at 2nd with a ~.680 OPS. I think he is... I don't know that it'd be smart for Turang to turn down 9 figures. 

I think he's going to be a more reliable offensive threat, but we'll see. Hard to know if the Brewers would even offer it...

Turang has been a 5 bWAR player without the power, and in his age 24, sophomore season, so to offer an extension that buys out at least 1 FA year is a no-brainer from the team’s perspective, imo.

7/100 is nothing for a player as talented as Turang, especially with his power-hitting gains. Next 4 years arby—$40M, leaves 3 FA years at $20M, both being really low $ estimates for a player as talented as Turang thru his peak prime-performance years, that then leaves him at 33 yrs of age likely too old for a big contract.

As incredible as this team’s MI prospects are, it still takes 1-2 years of BL development to get comfortable facing BL pitching and to insert too many top prospects in the same time period isn’t optimal for a team that likely wants to remain the best team in baseball thru the rest of this decade.

 

[BrewerFan]

7 hours ago, SF70 said:

Turang has been a 5 bWAR player without the power, and in his age 24, sophomore season, so to offer an extension that buys out at least 1 FA year is a no-brainer from the team’s perspective, imo.

And a 2.6 Fwar player driven largely by his defense as he had a .665 OPS.

That's not the type of player who is going to get a "huge" payday. 

 

7 hours ago, SF70 said:

7/100 is nothing for a player as talented as Turang, especially with his power-hitting gains. Next 4 years arby—$40M, leaves 3 FA years at $20M, both being really low $ estimates for a player as talented as Turang thru his peak prime-performance years, that then leaves him at 33 yrs of age likely too old for a big contract.

Yeah, it's definitely something. Especially for a player who has hit 1/3rd if the HRs he's hit in his entire career in ONE month. 

But ok. I'm very high on Turang. I'm not that confident he's a going to become a regular power hitter and if he wants that huge contract you're talking about, he'll probably need to marry the defense and the offense. 

Otherwise, he's... kinda a lesser version of Ketel Marte... which is a GREAT player he just signed an extension for money that was "nothing" for a player as talented as him. 

 

7 hours ago, SF70 said:

As incredible as this team’s MI prospects are, it still takes 1-2 years of BL development to get comfortable facing BL pitching and to insert too many top prospects in the same time period isn’t optimal for a team that likely wants to remain the best team in baseball thru the rest of this decade.

I don't think anyone's inferred they'd ALL be coming at the same time. I'm pretty sure most would expect Pratt to be here before...Adamczewski and Made before Payne and Burke and, Fischer before Pena. 

 

[jay87shot]

I know it has been brought up but Gimenez is an easy comp., being older I would just add in a couple different options.

Do something like 4/54  5,10,15,24 with a 2 year team option for 2030-31 24 each. That comes to 6/102 and Turang could be a free agent at 32 having made $100 million.

I like the same idea for Sal at a bit lower price 4/   4,7, 12, 14 with a 2/32 million team option for a 6/67 extension. Priester, Henderson, and Misi could all be extension candidates if we could get Freddy/Ashby style deals (bigger for Misi and Preister more expensive). Uribe and Koenig could be interesting bullpen arms for saving long term money as well.

[jay87shot]

Is there anyone in the mold of Cody Bellinger that could be a Bauers type upgrade that would pair with Vaughn and be a 4th/5th OF'er? Luis Arraez has some utility but no OF help, unless Turang goes to SS, I don't think that works. Any ideas, I guess Bauers back would be passible but I think there could be an upgrade. Ryan O'Hearn would be a better bat but defensively isn't great. I can't think of any cheaper great trade options.

 

[MattK]

1 hour ago, jay87shot said:

I know it has been brought up but Gimenez is an easy comp., being older I would just add in a couple different options.

Do something like 4/54  5,10,15,24 with a 2 year team option for 2030-31 24 each. That comes to 6/102 and Turang could be a free agent at 32 having made $100 million.

I like the same idea for Sal at a bit lower price 4/   4,7, 12, 14 with a 2/32 million team option for a 6/67 extension. Priester, Henderson, and Misi could all be extension candidates if we could get Freddy/Ashby style deals (bigger for Misi and Preister more expensive). Uribe and Koenig could be interesting bullpen arms for saving long term money as well.

It'll be interesting to see how the club handles these types of situations with all of this talent now.  Having multiple guys on deals has not been something the club has done at all.  Hoping you see a number of these deals, but unsure it will happen.

[jay87shot]

35 minutes ago, MattK said:

It'll be interesting to see how the club handles these types of situations with all of this talent now.  Having multiple guys on deals has not been something the club has done at all.  Hoping you see a number of these deals, but unsure it will happen.

I am sure it comes down to how much they project payroll in say 2028 or 2029. With Yeli thru 28 and Chourio longer we can probably only extend 1 or 2 morr unless payroll boons.

[Scooterfletcher]

On 9/8/2025 at 12:43 PM, jay87shot said:

I am sure it comes down to how much they project payroll in say 2028 or 2029. With Yeli thru 28 and Chourio longer we can probably only extend 1 or 2 morr unless payroll boons.

I think we may open up the books just a tad for one bat.   Not sure where said bat will come from.   Don’t see much beyond Woodruff needing to be resigned of players eligible for free agency.  We have all the pitchers we need in the organization already.

I could see us sign a Naylor or Suarez (or even Bellinger) if the price is right.  This is the year I see one addition via free agency for a good bat (Hoskins leaves with option declined btw).

[endaround]

15 hours ago, Scooterfletcher said:

I think we may open up the books just a tad for one bat.   Not sure where said bat will come from.   Don’t see much beyond Woodruff needing to be resigned of players eligible for free agency.  We have all the pitchers we need in the organization already.

I could see us sign a Naylor or Suarez (or even Bellinger) if the price is right.  This is the year I see one addition via free agency for a good bat (Hoskins leaves with option declined btw).

I am expecting a large payroll decline next year without any large signings as Woodruff, Cortes, Quintana, and Hoskins leave. It's why I am only 75% sure they will tender Vaughn since they likely thought his salary will be off the books next year. The reason I am expecting such a decline is:

1) Continued fallout from the regional sports cable channel collapse.  Local broadcast revenue is shared so that money is shrinking even if the Brewers themselves have a current contract.

2) Belief that there will be a work stoppage in 2027 leading to a canceling of games and a loss of revenue.  So they will want to build up reserves/extract profit from 2026 as much as  possible. 

Given that there are no huge holes on the roster and that they have internal promotion candidates they don't want to block I don't see any major additions occurring.  A 1 year deal for a starter similar to Quintana might happen for depth and bullpen signings may occur but not much else.

[jay87shot]

3 hours ago, endaround said:

I am expecting a large payroll decline next year without any large signings as Woodruff, Cortes, Quintana, and Hoskins leave. It's why I am only 75% sure they will tender Vaughn since they likely thought his salary will be off the books next year. The reason I am expecting such a decline is:

1) Continued fallout from the regional sports cable channel collapse.  Local broadcast revenue is shared so that money is shrinking even if the Brewers themselves have a current contract.

2) Belief that there will be a work stoppage in 2027 leading to a canceling of games and a loss of revenue.  So they will want to build up reserves/extract profit from 2026 as much as  possible. 

Given that there are no huge holes on the roster and that they have internal promotion candidates they don't want to block I don't see any major additions occurring.  A 1 year deal for a starter similar to Quintana might happen for depth and bullpen signings may occur but not much else.

I hope not, I don't disagree with any off your points. You can add in that attendance is relatively the same (24=31,323 25=32,111) despite the added excitement towards the team. I would think that with us losing salary from Rhys, Cortes, and Q (we actually owe Woody more next year than this year because of a $10 miliion dollar buyout of a mutual option) will be offset by arbitration raises for the most part. With Chourio and Ashby getting a little more money on their deals as well. I haven't done any math but was guessing there isn't much wriggle room to go down without trading Peralta and/or William (among others).

[BrewerFan]

11 hours ago, endaround said:

2) Belief that there will be a work stoppage in 2027 leading to a canceling of games and a loss of revenue.  So they will want to build up reserves/extract profit from 2026 as much as  possible. 

This team is full of owners who are worth...billions and billions of dollars. If there's a lockout, they're not losing money, they're just not making money as they don't have to pay the players... obviously. 

 

11 hours ago, endaround said:

I am expecting a large payroll decline next year without any large signings as Woodruff, Cortes, Quintana, and Hoskins leave. It's why I am only 75% sure they will tender Vaughn since they likely thought his salary will be off the books next year. The reason I am expecting such a decline is:

If this happens, I'll lose a lot of faith in ownership. 

I don't think it will, but for a team that's on the verge and should go into next year with WS aspirations, just the idea of non-tendering Vaughn after what he's done would be... Nutting like ownership. We're not a rich franchise... we should not a poor one coming off this season. 

We still get ~210M based on 2022 numbers and that number should be growing at the TV deal(National) increases. 

Sports franchises are rich men's toys. I don't expect them to be 100-150M in the red each year, but if they're ~25M in the black each year... then they damn sure better be willing to suck it up and spend a little money and not tighten the purse strings for a 3rd straight year because in the future they MIGHT not be making more money. 

I'm not arguing with you on how wealthy men operate, I'm just telling you how that would be received. Hell, fans are already of the opinion(a bit misguided IMO, but most Brewers fans) that Attanasio is cheap. If they come in next year around 100M or in the 90 Millions for payroll...I'm going to be agreeing with them. 

Especially given they should be making more money this year than last when Forbes estimated their net revenue at 25M(while LAD was at about 21...which really shows the chasm between those teams ability to generate revenue, but...that's for the potential lockout). 

[BrewerFan]

8 hours ago, jay87shot said:

I hope not, I don't disagree with any off your points. You can add in that attendance is relatively the same (24=31,323 25=32,111) despite the added excitement towards the team. I would think that with us losing salary from Rhys, Cortes, and Q (we actually owe Woody more next year than this year because of a $10 miliion dollar buyout of a mutual option) will be offset by arbitration raises for the most part. With Chourio and Ashby getting a little more money on their deals as well. I haven't done any math but was guessing there isn't much wriggle room to go down without trading Peralta and/or William (among others).

We come out about ~12M lower in payroll after the buyouts, arbitration raises and the players we're losing. 

So... lets just see how this season plays out. An NLCS or WR run changes the finances quite a bit. Also, being on the precipice of such a run...also changes ownership's willingness to spend. 

 

Holding off the Phillies for the #1 seed is a good start... assuming we hold off the Cubs or it's a moot point. We're going to need to take care of St Louis the next couple series. 

[SF70]

It takes until the following season after the great year to see a large attendance bump because of season-ticket packages and group sales. I expect next year we see a nice increase in attendance although probably not to pre-Covid levels.

As Brewerfan alluded to  — a deep postseason run could add $20M or more to the team’s coffers.

 

Agree with endaround  — local TV $ being down and more importantly in flux moving-forward, along with the potential of a ‘27 lockout, could hold next year’s payroll down, and with the team as controlled as they are, shouldn’t need much salary added to have another tremendous team. I’m guessing Vaughn and Peralta are brought back with tenders to most of the rest of the team, but for maybe a reliever or two. Hoping for an extension with Turang as their big offseason signing.

Potential lockout not withstanding — the team is in fantastic shape moving-forward with myriad options  —  from extentions of their best talent (Turang-Frelick-Made) to eventually running a moderately larger payroll post- new player agreement, along with more revenue from increased attendance and playoff revenue — which would give the team the ability to arby/extend their best without having to trade too much of their veteran talent off for salary purposes.

[Lloyd330]

If Brice wins Silver Slugger award this year, he will price himself out of Milwaukee - Similar to Adames

[sveumrules]

1 hour ago, Lloyd330 said:

If Brice wins Silver Slugger award this year, he will price himself out of Milwaukee - Similar to Adames

Marte at 281/381/511 (145 wRC+) should have the inside track on silver slugger over Turang at 289/356/445 (125 wRC+).

Brice's only real advantage is playing time with with 100 extra PA, but Ketel has seven more HR in his 100 fewer PA and a .229 ISO compared to a .159 ISO for Brice-o.

Turang is under Arby control through 2029, so if he does price his way out of Milwaukee it will probably mean he's had three or four more really good years in the interim. I'll take that.

 

[BrewerFan]

4 hours ago, sveumrules said:

Marte at 281/381/511 (145 wRC+) should have the inside track on silver slugger over Turang at 289/356/445 (125 wRC+).

Brice's only real advantage is playing time with with 100 extra PA, but Ketel has seven more HR in his 100 fewer PA and a .229 ISO compared to a .159 ISO for Brice-o.

Turang is under Arby control through 2029, so if he does price his way out of Milwaukee it will probably mean he's had three or four more really good years in the interim. I'll take that.

 

In 4 years time, between Made, Pena, Adamczewski, Pratt, they should have SS and 2B covered... as much as Turang has been a favorite. You can't pay him for being a platinum defender and a power hitting 2B. He hasn't shown he's both in the same year. 

 

Edit-I certainly believe he can, I'm just saying... he hasn't. If I were him, I'd be working out in AZ on his arm strength. If he gets another shot to win the SS job, that's when his earning potential could sky rocket. 

[jay87shot]

18 hours ago, Lloyd330 said:

If Brice wins Silver Slugger award this year, he will price himself out of Milwaukee - Similar to Adames

I know in my heart that this is likely going to be true but am going to keep dreaming of that Gimenez style deal. In reality, a near .300 hitter with a borderline 20/30 year and glove glove defense, who is only getting better is going to get big bank in free agency. Maybe he would be a Yelich style extension candidate in like 2 years with Yeli close to done and Made possibly ready for a Chourio style deal.

[BrewerFan]

5 hours ago, jay87shot said:

I know in my heart that this is likely going to be true but am going to keep dreaming of that Gimenez style deal. In reality, a near .300 hitter with a borderline 20/30 year and glove glove defense, who is only getting better is going to get big bank in free agency. Maybe he would be a Yelich style extension candidate in like 2 years with Yeli close to done and Made possibly ready for a Chourio style deal.

Yeah, but with the talent we have coming up, especially in those positions, that would feel like a poor use of resources to pay him a "Yelich like extension." You have like 4-5 guys who can handle the keystone. We've got so many, we're talking stud 2B like Adamczewski and moving them to the OF because there are soo many really talented kids there. 

I think you either sign him now to a 7/100M type deal or you move on.

I'd also point out Marte and his extensions. He's been a guy who has played outstanding defense, has hit for power and average and he just got 6/105.5 with a TO. 

I think maybe 6 years for 80M and 2 TOs at 25M AAV with some incentives would be fair. If he is a .300 hitter(which...I wouldn't actually make part of the incentives as there are some hollow .300's) but if he continues to hit and play defense at an elite level, his salary should go up. 

[Scooterfletcher]

Best to enjoy BT control years and hope he does well enough to get us a comp pick his departure year.  Don’t over analyze an example of a second baseman we won’t be extending but enjoying his play several more years.

[cragi]

any chance they offload Yeli's contract? He's a solid member of the roster but the largest chunk of salary for a player who doesnt have a position. He becomes somewhat redundant and blocking other talented upcoming players going forward. That would give the team flexibility to lower payroll and allow them to capitalize on other opportunities they find to "go big", especially anything in-season.

[BrewerFan]

19 minutes ago, cragi said:

any chance they offload Yeli's contract? He's a solid member of the roster but the largest chunk of salary for a player who doesnt have a position. He becomes somewhat redundant and blocking other talented upcoming players going forward. That would give the team flexibility to lower payroll and allow them to capitalize on other opportunities they find to "go big", especially anything in-season.

Very little. He's got a No-Trade... which is moot because he's got 10 and 5 rights anyway(which is effectively a NTC- 10 years service time, 5 years with the same team). 

I think teams would want him, but he signed in Milwaukee. If the Dodgers wanted him, maybe, but they have a guy at DH that I think they're pretty high on. He's not a good fielder. He is basically paid like a platoon OFer for them, so... maybe!

 

15 hours ago, Scooterfletcher said:

Best to enjoy BT control years and hope he does well enough to get us a comp pick his departure year.  Don’t over analyze an example of a second baseman we won’t be extending but enjoying his play several more years.

You were just talking about signing Cody Bellinger, but you think this is so unrealistic you can definitively say with 4 years of service time ahead of him, it will NOT happen?

[Scooterfletcher]

6 hours ago, BrewerFan said:

Very little. He's got a No-Trade... which is moot because he's got 10 and 5 rights anyway(which is effectively a NTC- 10 years service time, 5 years with the same team). 

I think teams would want him, but he signed in Milwaukee. If the Dodgers wanted him, maybe, but they have a guy at DH that I think they're pretty high on. He's not a good fielder. He is basically paid like a platoon OFer for them, so... maybe!

 

You were just talking about signing Cody Bellinger, but you think this is so unrealistic you can definitively say with 4 years of service time ahead of him, it will NOT happen?

Yeah I’m saying our brewers staff should sit back and relax at the positive asset they have in him.   Then hopefully get a comp pick and wait for the next Pratt to  hopefully be a good enough starter.

 

Dont pay 100 mil plus for Turang, and he is damn good.  ……And we are Milwaukee.

[BrewerFan]

12 hours ago, Scooterfletcher said:

Yeah I’m saying our brewers staff should sit back and relax at the positive asset they have in him.   Then hopefully get a comp pick and wait for the next Pratt to  hopefully be a good enough starter.

 

Dont pay 100 mil plus for Turang, and he is damn good.  ……And we are Milwaukee.

None of that is congruent with talking about signing Cody Bellinger.

 

"And we are Milwaukee." That doesn't mean they're going to pay Bellinger the 30M a year he'll likely get coming off a 5WAR season.

I'm also perfectly relaxed hoping the Brewers extend Turang for a certain price. You can do that and hope that... with 4 years left of service time, you can buy out a couple years of free agency... if the player is willing to.