Game 8: Panthers @ Packers - Sunday, Nov 2nd 12:00 PM

[OldHeidelberg]

3 minutes ago, homer said:

scored too soon lol

Ruined my last chance to take something positive out of this football day.  Sounds like Kraft may be done for season by MLFs postgame comment. 

[OldSchoolSnapper]

Sounds like we have seen the last of Kraft. Don't think this offense is good enough to overcome a blow like that. 

[OldHeidelberg]

1 minute ago, OldSchoolSnapper said:

Sounds like we have seen the last of Kraft. Don't think this offense is good enough to overcome a blow like that. 

Remember when we thought we had a stud in Tonyan a few years back? Never the same after the ACL…

[HarveysWBs]

I think a lot of things right now.

#1 The spread for this game was ludicrous. There is a lot of flat out stupid money in sports gambling.

#2 Calling this a “trap game” is a bs, tired narrative. I will do the organization the credit of believing they know that every team in the league can win any given Sunday. They knew it against Cleveland, too, despite Walker being a knucklehead talking about going undefeated. I believe the team worked all week with diligence to put in a plan they thought would win this game and were not looking ahead. Which is worse because…

#3 This is who they are. Love is a guy who will throw into traffic or across the field enough times to give up a horrific interception at least every other game. LaFleur is a guy who will stick with the run way too long. For those two, it is in their DNA and it isn’t changing. 

and #4 If Gute thought that he had an offensive line, he’s laughably wrong. This team cannot control the trenches (on either side of the ball, come to think of it) against even a middling opponent, and I don’t care how much you want to talk tough about “urgency” or “it starts with me” it actually starts with the lines. Ours aren’t good enough, and that’s going to be fatal.

#5 This team will still make the playoffs, because Love is good and Parsons is great and it’s really hard not to make it these days with that as your baseline. But they won’t win a conference as currently constructed and coached. Or, to be more accurate, the odds are crazy long. This team doesn’t have the juice.

[adambr2]

MLF on the 4th and 8 decision; “Hindsight is 20/20. I wish we would have taken the points. Bad decision.”

Is Matt aware that there are real NFL coaches that are capable of making good decisions in the heat of the moment without the benefit of hindsight and that don’t always make emotional decisions on the fly?

[OldSchoolSnapper]

6 minutes ago, HarveysWBs said:

I think a lot of things right now.

#1 The spread for this game was ludicrous. There is a lot of flat out stupid money in sports gambling.

#2 Calling this a “trap game” is a bs, tired narrative. I will do the organization the credit of believing they know that every team in the league can win any given Sunday. They knew it against Cleveland, too, despite Walker being a knucklehead talking about going undefeated. I believe the team worked all week with diligence to put in a plan they thought would win this game and were not looking ahead. Which is worse because…

#3 This is who they are. Love is a guy who will throw into traffic or across the field enough times to give up a horrific interception at least every other game. LaFleur is a guy who will stick with the run way too long. For those two, it is in their DNA and it isn’t changing. 

and #4 If Gute thought that he had an offensive line, he’s laughably wrong. This team cannot control the trenches (on either side of the ball, come to think of it) against even a middling opponent, and I don’t care how much you want to talk tough about “urgency” or “it starts with me” it actually starts with the lines. Ours aren’t good enough, and that’s going to be fatal.

#5 This team will still make the playoffs, because Love is good and Parsons is great and it’s really hard not to make it these days with that as your baseline. But they won’t win a conference as currently constructed and coached. Or, to be more accurate, the odds are crazy long. This team doesn’t have the juice.

Love has 3 picks through 8 games. Before someone says he should have 6 but they were dropped - that is the case for every QB in the league. 

Love is fine. He is having a very good season. He has cut way back on exactly the kind of thing you are pointing out. Not every QB we have is going to be Rodgers. He is way down the list of things stopping this team from elevating right now. 

[SeaBass]

If the Packers keep playing like this we're going to get a read on what the Ed Policy tenure is going to look like real early. I sure hope it's not going to be quite as hands off with football decisions as it was under Murphy.

I would say it's a fine line how aggressive he should be but Ted's leash lasted a little too long and perhaps the same could have been said about McCarthy too.

There's always a possibility he could reverse the changes Murphy made to the structure and move the decision making back to the GM. He'll always have the option to fire and hire a new GM so it's not like his power would disappear.

[Brian]

1 hour ago, Fear The Chorizo said:

If MLF says "its on me" once during this postgame presser, Gute should do us all a solid and fire him before thursday night football kicks off.  If that doesnt happen Gute should look over his shoulder, too.

 

Two flat out unacceptable losses this season

Michael Strahan said the Packers were to Cavalier in there approach today, LeFlure and Love both. 

[OldHeidelberg]

3 minutes ago, adambr2 said:

MLF on the 4th and 8 decision; “Hindsight is 20/20. I wish we would have taken the points. Bad decision.”

Is Matt aware that there are real NFL coaches that are capable of making good decisions in the heat of the moment without the benefit of hindsight and that don’t always make emotional decisions on the fly?

The HC in the NFL probably has the biggest influence on the game of a coach in any major sport. MLF continues to fail in these decisions and yeah accepting the blame doesn’t make it ok. 

[adambr2]

1 minute ago, OldHeidelberg said:

The HC in the NFL probably has the biggest influence on the game of a coach in any major sport. MLF continues to fail in these decisions and yeah accepting the blame doesn’t make it ok. 

He’s great at accepting blame, he just never learns from it and does anything differently next time. He’ll say “it starts with me” and then go make another emotional decision next week. 

[SeaBass]

2 minutes ago, OldHeidelberg said:

The HC in the NFL probably has the biggest influence on the game of a coach in any major sport. MLF continues to fail in these decisions and yeah accepting the blame doesn’t make it ok. 

By far. Especially when so many head coaches are also the defacto offensive coordinator.

[HarveysWBs]

5 minutes ago, OldSchoolSnapper said:

Love has 3 picks through 8 games. Before someone says he should have 6 but they were dropped - that is the case for every QB in the league. 

Love is fine. He is having a very good season. He has cut way back on exactly the kind of thing you are pointing out. Not every QB we have is going to be Rodgers. He is way down the list of things stopping this team from elevating right now. 

No disagreement. I think Love is good and he is getting better as you say. But I should have clarified my point about the team being what they looked like today. Love is good, but because he’s not HoF the rest of the foundation, from the lines up to play calling has to be even more solid than it has been in many years. We aren’t there, and I don’t see any reason to expect it will get there by the time it matters most. It isn’t showing up on game day.

[yourout]

6 minutes ago, adambr2 said:

He’s great at accepting blame, he just never learns from it and does anything differently next time. He’ll say “it starts with me” and then go make another emotional decision next week. 

He is what he is. The sample size is more than enough. 

Mr Average.

[Recovering Chicagoan]

Going forward I have no confidence that the Packers will win any given game. Of course they'll win a few more (well, hopefully). But I just can't point to any game on the schedule where I'd feel comfortable saying: the Packers will win!

[LouisEly]

The elephant in the room is that with the loss of Wooden they were down to Wyatt, Brooks, and Stackhouse.  That's why they gave up 163 yards rushing.  

Add to that the loss of Kraft which not only did they likely have a significant game plan around him but the emotional shock of losing a star player.  Tack on Banks and Golden going down...

You lose that many starters and no wonder they lost the game.

[Sixtolezcano]

On 10/31/2025 at 2:28 AM, BrewerFan said:

I mean... it has the characteristics of a trap game, but the talent gap is so big here, if they don't dominate this game, there's an issue. 

Panthers have a couple nice OL, a young WR, Young's a smart and accurate QB, but below average. And the defense is not impressive. 

This SHOULD be a 42-17 type game. 

Maybe they keep it close early but the Panthers are not on the Packers level. 

A little overconfident there, a 25 point win??? After the Browns game anyone who thought they could blow out any NFL team is a serious “Homer”. Fans should understand that this team will fight it out with 5-6 teams to be in the playoffs this year after watching the past 8 games.

[yourout]

11 minutes ago, Sixtolezcano said:

A little overconfident there, a 25 point win??? After the Browns game anyone who thought they could blow out any NFL team is a serious “Homer”. Fans should understand that this team will fight it out with 5-6 teams to be in the playoffs this year after the past 8 games.

Agreed. If they don't make the playoffs does MLF get the boot?

[HarryDoyle]

13 minutes ago, yourout said:

Agreed. If they don't make the playoffs does MLF get the boot?

If they make the playoffs and go one and done, MLF should absolutely be fired. Gute didn't trade for Parsons so this team could finish 10-6-1 and suffer another first round exit.

[Recovering Chicagoan]

20 minutes ago, yourout said:

Agreed. If they don't make the playoffs does MLF get the boot?

I think he should get the boot if that occurs. I don't think MLF is a bad coach; however, a change would be needed. Now, if the Packers somehow get to and win the Super Bowl, well...give him an extension. 😊

[da swedish german]

i'm so sick of the flushed face, soy boy, stuttering, excuse giving wimp

[Brian]

3 hours ago, OldHeidelberg said:

Remember when we thought we had a stud in Tonyan a few years back? Never the same after the ACL…

I heard a first report on FOX it probably is an ACL. 

[adambr2]

On 10/31/2025 at 2:28 AM, BrewerFan said:

I mean... it has the characteristics of a trap game, but the talent gap is so big here, if they don't dominate this game, there's an issue. 

Panthers have a couple nice OL, a young WR, Young's a smart and accurate QB, but below average. And the defense is not impressive. 

This SHOULD be a 42-17 type game. 

Maybe they keep it close early but the Panthers are not on the Packers level. 

So there’s an issue.

[yourout]

[nate82]

 

[adambr2]

One thing that got a little overlooked because of all the other issues was how bad the 2 minute drive before halftime was. I remember saying “ok, you’ve got 3 timeouts, 2 minutes, and you’re at midfield. ZERO reason for the clock to become an issue.”

Well, a couple dive calls to Jacobs later accompanied with some holding penalties and the time was cut in half, still at midfield.

They were fortunately able to get a couple long plays to salvage the drive and get 3, but they should have just been able to run their offense and had no issues.

MLF is never going to change. It’s the same mistakes season after season with no learning from the same mistakes.