Let's Go All In?

[RWeeksFan23]

don't know if anyone noticed, but during the FOX broadcast the other day, ken rosenthal speculated the brewers could go after tarik skubal at the deadline.

[adambr2]

9 hours ago, RWeeksFan23 said:

don't know if anyone noticed, but during the FOX broadcast the other day, ken rosenthal speculated the brewers could go after tarik skubal at the deadline.

He’s going to be the belle of the ball for sure. 

He’s obtainable as a rental. I don’t know what he would take. We obviously have the capital to do it. It wouldn’t take Made. Not for a rental. But still something substantial.

Lining up Miz, Skubal and Harrison for a playoff series sounds amazing, though.

[TwinsBrewersWorldSeries]

11 hours ago, adambr2 said:

He’s going to be the belle of the ball for sure. 

He’s obtainable as a rental. I don’t know what he would take. We obviously have the capital to do it. It wouldn’t take Made. Not for a rental. But still something substantial.

Lining up Miz, Skubal and Harrison for a playoff series sounds amazing, though.

What would a Brewers offer for Skubal look like?

[adambr2]

52 minutes ago, TwinsBrewersWorldSeries said:

What would a Brewers offer for Skubal look like?

Maybe Andrew Fischer plus?

[jay87shot]

We gave up LaPorta, Brantley, and 2 lower level prospects for Sabathia. Laporta was a top 50 prospect probably top 25. Brantley was top 10 in the system but hitting .319 in AA at 21 so he was likely a borderline top 100. 

My guess is that Skubal will cost more than CC so my guesstimate would be Pena, Fischer, and any 2 pitching prospects not named Henderson. I would love to go for it but that seems to rich for my blood. I would consider trading a similar package for Hunter Brown knowing we would get 1.5 seasons and then re-coup some of the prospect value back by trading him with 1 year of control left.

[jay87shot]

How about a trade for a closer/late reliever. I have a lot of faith that Uribe and Megill will get it together but I would consider trading for Aroldis Chapman. He has been dominant and probably wouldn't cost a huge amount (it would take a strong offer). Having Mis and Harrison give the ball over to Chapman, Ashby, Megill, and Uribe would be amazing.

[igor67]

I'd consider some level of dealing for the right player, but even with our depth of prospects I'm cautious because the impact of 1 player on our playoff chances is just so modest. Skubal certainly would look terrifying for opposing teams to go with Miz and Harrison at the moment, but in any year they could get hurt in August, Spet, or October spoiling that strategy. Our even other major position players. LA has built up there own self insured type model where they will just use money to make up for any issues that crop up, so there is so much less risk there compared to us.

[long ball]

On 5/23/2026 at 9:04 AM, adambr2 said:

My belief is that the Brewers don’t look at contending windows. I believe they believe they have a shot to win this year, to win in 2029, and by 2035 I think they plan to have just as good of a shot as they did in 2026 and 2029.

The model here is sustainability, which is why we can’t get too attached to names here because we’ll have our new Brice Turangs and William Contreras by then, and new prospects that are teenagers right now and unknown to us but probably on the radar of our scouting department will backfill when guys like Made and Pena make it up here and replace the future Yankees and Dodgers on our current MLB roster.

Very long-winded way of me saying, I think an all-in type move like we saw with Sabathia and Greinke probably died out in the Doug Melvin era and isn’t something we are likely to see under the current FO.

Yes, I definitely agree with you. I wasn’t so much commenting on my desire to “go all in” this year. More just wanting to comment on my fantasies about the 2028 season and what that rotation looks like if these guys stay healthy and how that position player group transforms over the next 2 years. 
 

even in 2018 when we made some “big” trade deadline moves, we only gave up spare parts. The guys we got back were just pretty well known players. 
 

To your point, I agree we won’t see any of our big prospects or guys on the 40 man moved. We don’t really need to. Get to the playoffs and hope the team is healthy and we catch some breaks. 

[TwinsBrewersWorldSeries]

46 minutes ago, long ball said:

Yes, I definitely agree with you. I wasn’t so much commenting on my desire to “go all in” this year. More just wanting to comment on my fantasies about the 2028 season and what that rotation looks like if these guys stay healthy and how that position player group transforms over the next 2 years. 
 

even in 2018 when we made some “big” trade deadline moves, we only gave up spare parts. The guys we got back were just pretty well known players. 
 

To your point, I agree we won’t see any of our big prospects or guys on the 40 man moved. We don’t really need to. Get to the playoffs and hope the team is healthy and we catch some breaks. 

I think the point is… during the regular season, it’s much easier to outpefork because we collectively are facing less talented competition….

when we get to the playoffs, you are now facing only elite folks and it’s much harder to outperform, which is why (despite all our regular season success) we only have 2 playoff series wins in the past decade.

if we want to win in the playoffs, I think it’s pretty clear we need more elite talent.  Since prospects are so important to use to stay consistently good, that potentially makes rentals more attractive because they cost less.

being relevant year after year since 2018 has been amazing, largely because it has never happened before for brewers fans (I’ve been following the team closely since the late 80s).

that said, aside from incredible luck, not sure how we overcome a team like the dodgers without atleast some infusion of talent.  An infusion of talent reduces our chances for sustained success and is no guarantee of getting over the hump.., but I understand why some folks would rather trade some 90 win (no playoff series wins) seasons for a chance at a 100 win (World Series appearance) season while also understanding that there may be a losing season here or there that comes with it.

[adambr2]

On 5/24/2026 at 3:17 PM, rccola42 said:

That's not remotely close to what they're going to fetch for Skubal. Luis Pena is your starting point.

It’s just really hard to say because there aren’t any good recent comps. Teams just don’t give up high end top 100 prospects for rentals. 

But I would concede that Skubal is in a class all his own so I could see it being entirely possible that he could break that trend.

I just don’t know though ,,, Corbin Burnes was a very high end pitcher when we traded him with a year of control left and most of us agree in hindsight that the return was underwhelming. But Skubal is in a class all his own, even ahead of Burnes.

I think it all depends on how intense the bidding war gets. I mentioned Fischer plus but I could see Pena plus being necessary or even Made (not saying that we should do that, just that it could end up being what it would take depending on the bids from others.)

 

[nate82]

Going all in hardly ever works and doesn’t really improve a team’s chances.  The Padres went all in on Soto and didn’t make it past the NLCS.  I don’t see the point of going all in.  

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

On 5/24/2026 at 3:18 PM, wallus said:

Skubal is in a class of his own for sure (who knows how this injury will change things) but it's been a long while since a top 25 prospect has been traded for a rental, much less adding more.

Correct. Skubal is terrific, but teams no longer trade top MLB prospects for rentals.

[cragi]

26 minutes ago, Ron Robinsons Beard said:

Correct. Skubal is terrific, but teams no longer trade top MLB prospects for rentals.

With a 6 WAR in 2025, that is more than a lot of top prospects will ultimately realize in a career. Gettin a TOR arm has a disproportianate impact relative to other positions at the deadline. And he will still net a comp pick once he hits the open market the following year. Wouldnt be surprised to see him netting a pair of 25-100 range prospects in return.

[wiguy94]

1 minute ago, cragi said:

With a 6 WAR in 2025, that is more than a lot of top prospects will ultimately realize in a career. Gettin a TOR arm has a disproportianate impact relative to other positions at the deadline. And he will still net a comp pick once he hits the open market the following year. Wouldnt be surprised to see him netting a pair of 25-100 range prospects in return.

Skubal is a pending FA and if a player is traded mid-season they cannot have a QO put on them to net a comp pick.

[igor67]

I read that statement as because the Tigers can get the Comp pick they can ask for more in trade.

[BrewerFan]

On 5/23/2026 at 1:13 PM, wibadgers23 said:

This regime doesn't make "all in" moves. They just don't. The closest was Yelich and Cain but that was 8 years ago during the Stearns era.  Perhaps if Doug Melvin was still running the team, we'd be having a different conversation but Arnold and company don't operate like that. It's not right or wrong. It just is what it is.

Yelich was... pretty much an "all-in" type of move. The equivlent of going after Yelich would be going after a guy like Corbin Carroll now. That's ABOUT as close of a apples for apples comp as you can get. 

I think if we did that, people would say we're going "all-in," in the way that phrase is used(really the only team that goes "all in" are the Padres year after year.
But a top ~15 prospect in Brinson, two top ~60-80 prospects in Diaz and Harrison and then a  very good pitching prospect in Brinson, Diaz, Harrison and Yamamoto. 
Yamamoto was coming off a big year, 2.52 ERA in 111 IP in 2.4BB/9, 9.6 K per 9. 

Player / Scope	AVG	OBP	SLG	OPS	bWAR	fWAR
Christian Yelich (Full Age-25 Season, Through 2017)	.290	.369	.432	.801	17.5	16.7
Corbin Carroll (Active Age-25 Season, Right Now)	.262	.346	.499	.845	18.5	17.8

Contract left was... extremely similar. 4 years and a TO for both players and they were both VERY team friendly. 

Carroll is more of a power hitter, but the gap isn't huge. Adjust it a bit and I'd think Pena, Jett Williams, Luis Lara and then Knoth and maybe someone like Adamczewski? That's a better package. 

I think the Brewers make this type of trade if they can now. I obviously don't think Arizona is going to trade Carroll like the Marlins traded Yelich, but... my point is, the Brewers, if they'll make a trade THAT year... when they had nothing NEAR the foundation this team does... I absolutely believe they'd make a trade right now for an elite player with several years of team control. 

 

That team in 2018 had who? Shaw was solid, but of the 10 best players, you have like Jose Aguilar who had less than 1 WAR the year before, Jeffress who had .4 WAR in 2017, Hader who was still a reliever, you had Chacin who you'd just signed, and then guys like Hernan Perez, Villar, Keon Brozton. It wasn't a real talented team. 

So would the Brewers make that BIG move? Yeah, I don't have any doubt at all they would. A couple years ago they were calling about Bryan Reynolds(2021 IIRC and they had a very high ask, but he had ~4 years left), they've been rumored to be interest in other players, but for the same reason we haven't seen a top ~25 prospect traded since... Manny Machado or... maybe even Chapman, it's less likely to happen because teams value young, stud players with 3-4 years of team control. How many teams think they're THAT far away from being competitive?

 The Brewers were also in on Crochet. They got the prospects that would become their #2, #5, #8 and #18 ranked prospect in the CWS system, a system that ranked 6th compared to ours(7th). 

That's ROUGHLY Quero(who had more value pre-injury), Pratt, Gasser and a lower rated guy with a good hit tool, but not a whole lot else. 

I think that'd be about as aggressive as they'd be for a couple years of team control. 

[Lloyd330]

On 5/23/2026 at 12:46 PM, cragi said:

brewers are in great shape but there's just no reason to sacrifice for one shot in a year you cant say you're better than the Dodgers. The Dodgers not only have the allstar lineup, but they also have 7 top 100 prospects according to MLB pipeline. So they are also in great position to upgrade if necessary and healthy for their future.

Thats the spirit - Lets not ever go for it

[Lloyd330]

On 5/24/2026 at 12:42 PM, nate82 said:

Bobby Witt would probably be the only player I would consider going all in for.  Everyone else no thanks.  

Cause its worked out for us really well the last couple of years

 

[Lloyd330]

On 5/26/2026 at 12:39 PM, nate82 said:

Going all in hardly ever works and doesn’t really improve a team’s chances.  The Padres went all in on Soto and didn’t make it past the NLCS.  I don’t see the point of going all in.  

Padres didnt have as good as team as we have now - An all in move is like 1 or two players. Not askiing for everyone. 

But based on your past comments on this, you are drinking that Mark A Kool-Aid of having an enjoyable summer,. 

[Lloyd330]

Use the 2018 Trade Deadline as example

• Acquired 3B Mike Moustakas from Royals.

• Acquired 2B Jonathan Schoop from Orioles.

• Acquired RHP Joakim Soria from White Sox.

I would say that was the last time they went "all in"

[nate82]

9 minutes ago, Lloyd330 said:

Cause its worked out for us really well the last couple of years

 

We went to the WS when again?  That WS game where Sabathia willed us to it was great and remember when Marcum and Greinke got us to the WS!!! Man those were great times!  Then also one of the greatest WS where Moustakas and Schoop pulled a rabbit out of their behinds and we finally won a WS!!! 

[Lloyd330]

10 minutes ago, nate82 said:

We went to the WS when again?  That WS game where Sabathia willed us to it was great and remember when Marcum and Greinke got us to the WS!!! Man those were great times!  Then also one of the greatest WS where Moustakas and Schoop pulled a rabbit out of their behinds and we finally won a WS!!! 

We get it, your rather enjoy summer with a competitive team then actually go for it sometime. I'll make sure you get a participation trophy. 

[nate82]

14 minutes ago, Lloyd330 said:

We get it, your rather enjoy summer with a competitive team then actually go for it sometime. I'll make sure you get a participation trophy. 

So which trade got the Brewers to a WS?  Oh right none so you get a participation trophy for making a trade that didn’t even accomplish what you wanted to accomplish.

[Lloyd330]

18 minutes ago, nate82 said:

So which trade got the Brewers to a WS?  Oh right none so you get a participation trophy for making a trade that didn’t even accomplish what you wanted to accomplish.

We have never truly gone for it.  The 2018 was the closest

Why is that so hard to understand - Eventually, you need to do something to get over the hump

[nate82]

7 minutes ago, Lloyd330 said:

We have never truly gone for it.  The 2018 was the closest

And now you’re moving the goalposts.