Brewers (Harrison) vs Athletics (Springs): 6/8/26, 9:05pm

[KCBrewerfan34]

33 minutes ago, Frisbee Slider said:

How much of tonight was minor league stadium driven versus this is just what Las Vegas park factors will always be, even in new stadium?

New stadium will have a dome 

[Jim French Stepstool]

31 minutes ago, Frisbee Slider said:

How much of tonight was minor league stadium driven versus this is just what Las Vegas park factors will always be, even in new stadium?

It's going to be climate-controlled which I take to mean a dome, not retractable? either way it'll be much more enclosed than what we witnessed tonight.

[wiguy94]

31 minutes ago, Jim French Stepstool said:

It HAS to be, and I'm sure it will. This park is in a pretty open area too---a good 10-12 miles west of where all the buildings & fun stuff is---which doesn't help matters wind-wise. And the elevation IS pretty high there.

Pretty positive their stadium is supposed to be a dome with window panels in the OF. Dome with a humidor (which to my understanding AAA parks don't have so not sure they have one this weekend) should be pretty huge in turning into into a semi respectable park unlike this clown show AAA park.

[sveumrules]

2 hours ago, Bulldogboy said:

How do Brewers justify letting Contreras go? I still haven't heard it

It's not a straight up comparison because Contreras is still playing his Age 28 season, but as things currently stand there have been forty primary catchers to get at least 1,500 PA from age 24 to age 28 since 2005 (the first year someone was suspended for PEDs) with William coming in at a 124 wRC+ (7th) and 18.5 WAR (10th) on that leaderboard.

Assuming health he should pass all of Yasmani Grandal (19.4 WAR), Miguel Montero (19.5 WAR), and Yadier Molina (19.8 WAR) by season's end to land in 7th place but would need to go on some kind of tear to catch (punintentional) Cal Raleigh in 6th place with 22.9 WAR.

Since we already have him under team control for his age 29 season, let's see how some of those age 24 to age 28 catchers did from the age 30 and onward seasons that would be potentially covered if William were willing to sign an extension, or if the Brewers have to win a FA bidding war.

Buster Posey
24-28 (142 wRC+ | 32.5 WAR)
30-34 (116 wRC+ | 15.0 WAR)

Brian McCann
24-28 (118 wRC+ | 30.6 WAR)
30-35 (98 wRC+ | 11.9 WAR)

Jonathan Lucroy
24-28 (113 wRC+ | 29.1 WAR)
30-35 (90 wRC+ | 4.6 WAR)

Joe Mauer
24-28 (134 wRC+ | 26.2 WAR)
30-35 (109 wRC+ | 12.3 WAR)

Russell Martin
24-28 (104 wRC+ | 24.9 WAR)
30-36 (107 wRC+ | 23.2 WAR)

Yadier Molina
24-28 (101 wRC+ | 19.8 WAR)
30-39 (97 wRC+ | 26.9 WAR)

Miguel Montero
24-28 (113 wRC+ | 19.5 WAR)
30-34 (89 wRC+ | 7.7 WAR)

Yasmani Grandal
24-28 (111 wRC+ | 19.4 WAR)
30-35 (107 wRC+ | 11.8 WAR)

JT Realmuto
24-28 (108 wRC+ | 17.5 WAR)
30-35 (106 wRC+ | 18.0 WAR)

Catcher attrition rates are pretty brutal. Out of the nine best recent comps only three (Yadi, Martin, JTR) have produced into their thirties enough to justify the kind of contract William should eventually get. Posey would probably be right around a break even point.

A couple guys further down that age 24 to age 28 leaderboard in Victor Martinez (124 wRC+ | 12.6 WAR from age 30 to 37) and William's brother Willson (133 wRC+ | 13.9 WAR so far age 30 to 34) continued to rake into their thirties but both moved out from behind the plate too.

I wouldn't be opposed to extending Contreras if he is willing (especially if the new CBA somehow makes that more manageable for clubs at the bottom of the Economic Spectrum), but giving what will likely be a top two or three catcher contract of all time approaching or exceeding $200M isn't without risk.

[wiguy94]

27 minutes ago, Jim French Stepstool said:

The Brewers winning was the best news of the night. A close #2 is Clint Vondrack won't be behind the plate the next two days. It was brutal, for both sides.

Probably an excuse but I really think that whole game is different for the Brewers if the ump was a total trainwreck. He took two strikeouts away from Harrison in the 1st and 2nd innings. Without that Harrison is at 1 run and like 20 pitches through two innings instead of 2 runs and 40 pitches. That combined with a couple of joke HR I think really got into Harrison's head.

[Jim French Stepstool]

6 minutes ago, wiguy94 said:

Pretty positive their stadium is supposed to be a dome with window panels in the OF. Dome with a humidor (which to my understanding AAA parks don't have so not sure they have one this weekend) should be pretty huge in turning into into a semi respectable park unlike this clown show AAA park.

Yeah, after my post I was curious & looked it up. Pretty much sounds like what you anticipate.

[Jim French Stepstool]

7 minutes ago, wiguy94 said:

Probably an excuse but I really think that whole game is different for the Brewers if the ump was a total trainwreck. He took two strikeouts away from Harrison in the 1st and 2nd innings. Without that Harrison is at 1 run and like 20 pitches through two innings instead of 2 runs and 40 pitches. That combined with a couple of joke HR I think really got into Harrison's head.

Loss of poise for the first time that I've seen from him. Don't really blame him.

[Jim French Stepstool]

11 minutes ago, sveumrules said:

 

 

 

A couple guys further down that age 24 to age 28 leaderboard in Victor Martinez (124 wRC+ | 12.6 WAR from age 30 to 37) and William's brother Willson (133 wRC+ | 13.9 WAR so far age 30 to 34) continued to rake into their thirties but both moved out from behind the plate too.

 

Doesn't seem very long ago that I had visions of Contreras at 1B & Quero behind the plate, before he would've even NEEDED to move.

[wiguy94]

I legit can't get over the absurdity that was Joel Kuhnel tonight. This guy averaged 94.3mph on his sinker this year for the A's. Tonight he sat 98.9. He looked absolutely filthy. I have no idea how this happened but if this is even remotely sustainable the Brewers might have done it again.

[torts]

That is a box score I did not expect to wake up to.  Way to go brewers!!!!!!!