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There was some good with a .300 batting average and more walks than strikeouts over his 92 PA with Carolina. He was also a little old for A ball as a college draftee and and only had one XBH to go along with his twenty singles, so definitely needs to swing harder/add bat speed to improve upon his current 5th OF kind of profile.

I don't really dabble too much in that realm personally, but I believe TJ Stats has a Patreon where a lot of that kind of information (or at least as much as is publicly accessible) is available for subscribers.

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Check back in October, until then all anyone is doing is guessing (with varying degrees of emotion/research going into each guess depending on the individual).

So this whole time you've been adamant that the Red Sox would have to be the ones to add value in a hypothetical Duran/Peralta swap, you've been admittedly operating from a position where you didn't even have a firm grasp on Duran's true value (13.2 fWAR | 15.5 bWAR last three years) and thought he was just a little better than Frelick (6.2 fWAR | 6.3 bWAR last three years)?

In the PED testing era (2004 thru 2025) there have been 36 primary third basemen to get at least 400 PA in their age 32 season (Bregman's age in 2026). Of those 36 there were two above six WAR, three between 5.5 and 5.8 WAR, then eight more between 3.0 and 4.1 WAR. Using the same parameters but moving it up to age 33 season, there are 35 primary third basemen on the leaderboard. One of those was above six WAR, another three were between 4.5 and 5.2 WAR, then another eight guys were between 2.9 and 4.2 WAR. At age 34 the number of qualifiers drops off to only 23. Tops on the board is Aramis Ramirez with the Brewers at 5.4 WAR back in 2012 with 2013 Adrian Beltre half a win back at 4.9 WAR. After them there are another ten guys between 3.0 and 4.1 WAR. By age 35 the number of qualifiers (even at the low 400 PA threshold) drops off to 13. Chipper Jones (a nice 6.9 WAR) and Beltre again (5.9 WAR) top the list with six more guys between 3.4 and 4.6 WAR. Age 36 also had 13 primary 3B with at least 400 PA from 2004 to 2025. Chipper (7.1 WAR) was fractions better then there were four guys between 2.9 and 4.3 WAR. All told, the best 3B from age 32 to 36 in the PED testing era have been Beltre (3102 PA | 133 wRC+ | 26.9 WAR), Chipper (2,610 PA | 152 wRC+ | 26.1 WAR) and A-Rod (2,681 PA | 132 wRC+ | 20.4 WAR). After them it drops down to probably the best case scenario comp for Bregman with Justin Turner coming in at 2,305 PA | 139 wRC+ | 19.1 WAR. (From age 27 to 31 Bregman went for 2,909 PA | 124 wRC+ | 19.6 WAR for reference) From there it's guys like Melvin Mora (3102 PA | 117 wRC+ | 16.8 WAR), Scott Rolen (2,249 PA | 108 wRC+ | 14.7 WAR), Casey Blake (2855 PA | 110 wRC+ | 14.4 WAR), Placido Polanco (2758 PA | 92 wRC+ | 12.4 WAR), Josh Donaldson (2069 PA | 119 wRC+ | 12.2 WAR), and Aramis (2,645 PA | 122 wRC+ | 11.7 WAR).

There is a little more of an onus on the Cubs to get better. They lost the division by five games last year. They they lost Tucker (4.5 WAR), Brad Keller (2.2 rWAR), and Drew Pomeranz (1.3 rWAR) to free agency. That's another eight wins out the door. Trading for Cabrera and signing Bregman mitigates those losses some for sure, and will probably even be enough to make them Division Favorites amongst the punditry again. And that's all fine, the Brewers haven't been Division Favorites in any of the last three seasons but won the NLC every year anyway, and by two dozen combined games to boot. When the Cubs are still paying 35/36 year old Bregman $35M a few years from now the Brewers could have Made or Fischer or Pena or who knows what kind of young trade acquisition in their prime playing third base.

The Brewers have won the NLC each of the last three seasons, and four of the last five. You are right, that is some pretty impressive consistency.

Pratt's glove is his carrying tool at the moment, and slick fielding doesn't get you quite as much roast beef in Arby's as offensive numbers do, so barring a big uptick in performance this year I'd guess Cooper ends up being a year to year guy. Definitely an imperfect comparison given differing contextual factors (namely age and offensive environment) but Joey Ortiz hit for a 106 wRC+ over 552 PA at AA versus Pratt hitting for a 107 wRC+ over 527 PA at AA. Couple advantages working for Cooper are obviously that he was three years younger than Joey was at the time, and he also had better plate discipline at 0.84 BB/K for Pratt versus a 0.49 BB/K for Ortiz. Those factors combined with his larger frame give him a chance to have more offensive upside down the road, but at the moment I think Cooper reads like the kind of SS that will come in at say like +5 to +10 runs on defense and you hope his wRC+ is in the nineties (prolly more likely eighties though) which shakes out around a couple two tree wins or so. Best realistic case is probably that he follows something like the Frelick (749 PA of 89 wRC+ from 2023-24 before 594 PA of 114 wRC+ in 2025) or Turang (1,067 PA of 77 wRC+ from 2023-24 before 659 PA of 124 wRC+ in 2025) Three Year Plan.

Pratt hit .304 over 364 PA in the ACL and the Carolina League. He has since hit .235 over 621 PA in the Midwest and Southern League. 1990's Wade Boggs comp (hit for a .300 average seven different times in the decade) might be a little premature, especially considering only seven qualified hitters in all of MLB reached .300 last year. When Wade Boggs hit .301 over 334 PA as a 41 year old in 1999 there were 55 qualified hitters with at least a .300 average and another 17 if you lowered the threshold to 300 PA.

Not sure Dominguez would be up to snuff defensively for the Brewers. Among 33 players with at least 800 innings in LF the last two years he is at -8 DRS (29th) and -10 FRV (27th) in only 898 innings. The other LF who have graded out equally poorly have done so in more innings (Teoscar aside) and are also older dudes (James Wood aside). If Jasson is already putting up numbers that bad at age 21 and 22 it's probably not a good sign. Teoscar (871 innings) -8 DRS | -11 FRV | 33yo Arozarena (2597 innings) -9 DRS | -16 FRV | 30yo Austin Hays (1044 innings) -10 DRS | -3 FRV | 30yo Benintendi (1594 innings) -16 DRS | -19 FRV | 31yo Profar (1,904 innings) -17 DRS | -14 FRV | 32yo Bryan Reynolds (1016 innings) -5 DRS | -10 FRV | 30yo James Wood (1765 innings) -6 DRS | -11 FRV | 23yo Michael Conforto (1845 innings) -5 DRS | -12 FRV | 32yo

My line of thinking for guys like Hader and Burnes is that the Brewers traded away that last year, year and a half of team control. Whatever WAR they put up with HOU / ARI after that original control expired was acquired via free agency so no longer traded away at that point. For Davies and Grisham the Padres traded them again before their original team control expired, so I would just consider that as part of a new transaction between SDP and CHC (Davies) / NYY (Grisham). Somewhat topical, one of the prospects SDP included in the Davies deal with the Cubs back in 2020 was Owen Caissie. Time really is a flat circle I guess.

Fur sure, the Brewers received a comp pick as well in the deal and used it on Blake Burke who finished the season on a tear at AA. Looks like the Orioles used the Burnes comp pick on catcher Caden Bodine out of Coastal Carolina, who they have since flipped to TBR along with three other prospects and another comp pick for Shane Baz.

The Brewers have won those trades on production from the players involved, all the team control is just a cherry on top. Burnes (4.5 rWAR), Williams (-0.7 rWAR) and Hader (1.8 rWAR) combined for 5.6 WAR for their acquiring teams after being traded by the Brewers. Even if you don't want to count Contreras (15.0 WAR) and Payamps (2.2 rWAR) as part of the Hader trade we have still received 4.5 WAR from Ortiz, 2.6 WAR from Durbin, 0.7 rWAR for Gasser and 0.6 rWAR from Hall for 8.4 WAR to this point. All that remaining team control allows them to continue building on those couple two tree wins the Brewers are already ahead by, or if Ortiz/Durbin are pushed for their starting spots over the next couple years they can be traded for more players with full team control remaining that will have opportunities to keep the cycle going. The Brewers have been trading for team control to the tune of 160 some wins gained over the last decade since Stearns/Arnold arrived, it's kind of their methodology.

Williams potentially? Devin put up a 4.79 ERA | -0.7 rWAR | +0.08 WPA last year with the Yankees. Durbin notched 2.6 WAR and we still have another five or six years of team control remaining. Burnes (4.5 rWAR in his lone season with the Orioles) is at least kinda close with Ortiz (4.5 WAR) and Hall (0.6 rWAR) just barely ahead to this point (nevermind Blake Burke), but again they have eight combined years of team control remaining to keep building on that already positive margin. The Hader trade set back the organization so far that they've won the division all three seasons since the trade (by a combined 24 games) while winning the 2nd most games in MLB over the last three years.

Yeah, I certainly admire the effort behind BTV and its a fun resource to check, but they are probably using some kind of projection system that is way overweighting Ashby's numbers as a starter similar to Steamer (3.48 ERA projection for 2026) or even worse ZiPS (3.95 ERA projection for 2026). Never mind the last two years Ashby has a 2.03 ERA out of the pen that is the 5th lowest among 204 relievers with at least 70 IP. His 2.31 FIP is also 5th over that same time frame, his 2.65 SIERA (12th) and 2.88 xERA (20th) aren't quite as rosy but again are still a healthy distance below his projections.

Which recent big trade(s) turned out poorly for the Brewers?

In 2024 the Cubs were at +10.5 BSR (5th) overall on the bases and were +4.9 wSB (6th) on stolen bases specifically. In 2025 the Cubs were at +11.0 BSR (3rd) overall on the bases and were +8.4 wSB (3rd) on stolen bases specifically so looks like Quintin helped them pick up a few extra runs stealing bags. Do wonder how much of the Brewers decrease in running last year was injury or health related. Started off the year with +11.1 BSR (1st) and 80 SB / 17 CS (+5.4 wSB | 3rd) through May. From June onward it was at +4.0 BSR (5th) with 84 SB / 36 CS (-4.8 wSB | 30th) so they were still doing pretty good going first to third, second to home, et cetera but their stolen base efficiency completely bottomed out.

Quantifying defense is definitely way trickier than quantifying offense, would love to see what kind of internal metrics and evals the Brewers have, especially considering they've been increasingly excellent defensively for the last decade now since Stearns & Arnold transformed the whole run prevention philosophy... +198 DRS (7th) | +87 FRV (4th) | -0.16 ERA/FIP (4th) from 2016-22 +145 DRS (3rd) | +112 FRV (1st) | -0.45 ERA/FIP (1st) from 2023-25 A couple other important things to keep in mind is that DRS and FRV exist on completely different scales. For the 2025 season team DRS ranged from +89 at the top to -59 at the bottom, a spread of 148 runs. FRV is much more conservative ranging from +44 to -52 on a team level, a narrower spread of only 96 runs available to be saved or lost. Given the importance the Brewers place on defense. I'd imagine whatever system(s) they are using to measure defense come out closer in value to DRS. The other big one is that DRS comes closer to zero-ing out positionally, whereas FRV favors up the middle positions (especially CF) to the detriment of the corners. Here are the overall league-wide values for each position in 2025... Catcher (-2 DRS | -8 FRV), First Base (-10 DRS | -49 FRV), Second Base (-9 DRS | +18 FRV), Short Stop (+1 DRS | +57 FRV), Third Base (-9 DRS | -24 FRV), Left Field (+9 DRS | -134 FRV), Center Field (-6 DRS | +215 FRV), Right Field (-12 DRS | -110 FRV).

Out of 302 players from 2019-23 with at least 1,000 PA, Vogelbach's 33.6 Swing% was three percent lower than Juan Soto at 36.7%. Brett Gardner (37.7%) was the only other guy under 38% with Yasmani Grandal (38.2%) and Alex Bregman (38.3%) rounding out the top five infrequent swingers during that stretch.

Yeah, Chase Anderson vs Josh Hader is a great comparison for how hard it is to compare value between the quantity provided by mid to back end starters (more integral during the regular season) versus the lower quantity but all high stakes IP thrown by leverage relievers (which are then magnified in importance during the postseason). Hader threw 316 IP with a 58 ERA- | 63 FIP- for the Brewers. The old saying is that WAR undervalues relievers, so I would say for Josh a better representation of his value during that time would be his +14.22 Win Probability Added which credits him with a few extra wins over his 11.1 runs allowed WAR (which credits him with another couple wins over his 9.4 FIP based WAR). Anderson was durable (at least 25 starts all four years) but didn't work deep (topped out at 158 IP). His peripherals (93 K+ | 95 BB+ | 123 HR+ for a 111 FIP-) were downright ugly so he was only worth 5.0 FIP based WAR over his 590 IP with the Brewers. This probably lines up with most peoples memory of Anderson as an average at best kind of pitcher. But Chase was also one of the OG test cases for the Brewers FIP beating magic. They rode his fly ball heavy arsenal for a 126 FB+ (7th of 115 pitchers min. 400 IP from 2016-19) that helped him limit hits with a 95 AVG+ (34th) and strand runners with a 107 LOB+ (7th). Put it altogether and his 3.83 ERA (90 ERA-) was waaay down below his 4.70 FIP so that shook out to 10.5 runs allowed WAR for Chase over those four years, or an extra 5.5 wins over what his peripherals would imply. He wasn't a trade acquisition (picked up off waivers) but Junior Guerra was kinda the same story, just not quite as consistent as Anderson was... Guerra 2016-19 (416 IP) 97 K+ | 117 BB+ | 106 HR+ (unimpressive peripherals) 111 FB+ | 92 AVG+ | 104 LOB+ (lotsa fly balls / limit hits / strand runners) 89 ERA- | 107 FIP- 3.78 ERA | 4.53 FIP (beat that FIP) 6.3 rWAR | 3.3 fWAR (collect those extra wins)

BENCH PLAYERS (4) C: 2012-14 Jonathan Lucroy (19.6 WAR) 1,581 PA | 127 wRC+ | +70.6 FLD SS: 2021-25 Willy Adames (15.8 WAR) 2,356 PA | 113 wRC+ | +13.2 FLD 3B/2B: 1973-78 Don Money (22.0 WAR) 3,511 PA | 120 wRC+ | +4.0 FLD RF: 1977-79 Sixto Lezano (12.5 WAR) 1,542 PA | 146 wRC+ | +5.0 FLD [already discussed Lucroy above. Gotta have a second SS and Willy is the easy call there, can also plug him in the six when Yount is backing up CF too. Money is again more of a primary 3B that played some 2B, but he was clearly the best infielder left. Lots of options for the 4th OF but went with Sixto because his bat was the best and the team is lacking a true RF] REST OF THE FORTY (7) C: 1982-83 Ted Simmons (7.0 WAR) 1,231 PA | 116 wRC+ | 0.0 FLD 1B: 1972-76 George Scott (21.9 WAR) 3,320 PA | 129 wRC+ | +42.0 FLD [apologies to Darrell Porter whose three year run from 1973-75 (118 wRC+ | 9.8 WAR) was a little better than Simmons, but gave Simba the spot for being part of the 1982 squad. Scott is probably the guy it hurts most to leave off the active roster] 2B: 2024-25 Brice Turang (10.3 WAR on BRef) 1,278 PA | 106 wRC+ | +29.0 FLD SS: 2005-06 Bill Hall (8.5 WAR) 1,154 PA | 120 wRC+ | +6.9 FLD CF: 1978-82 Gorman Thomas (19.8 WAR) 2,987 PA | 133 wRC+ | -10.0 FLD [went with Turang at 2B because the active roster doesn't have a true second basemen, Gantner never really had a peak, and Weeks isn't up to snuff defensively. SS was tough, but went with Hall for his added bat, base running and defensive versatility over Hardy whose value is mostly all tied up in the glove. Gorman has a longer peak than Gomez, but needed Carlos and his defense to cover for Braun / Yelich in the starting lineup] LF: 1978-80 Ben Oglivie (13.4 WAR) 1,759 PA | 140 wRC+ | +12.0 FLD RF: 1997-99 Jeromy Burnitz (12.4 WAR) 1,848 PA | 130 wRC+ | +15.0 FLD [last two corner OF spots. Oglivie was a pretty easy call for LF between the 140 wRC+ and 1982 affiliations. The last spot was a toss up between Burnitz and Geoff Jenkins. If we were going off career it would be Geoff no doubt, but Jeromy had a more concentrated peak run so he gets the nod]

STARTING LINEUP (9) 2B: 1987-92 Paul Molitor (28.8 WAR) 3,840 PA | 139 wRC+ | +11.0 FLD SS: 1980-84 Robin Yount (32.1 WAR) 3,126 PA PA | 137 wRC+ | +35.0 FLD [pair of Hall of Famers at the top. Molitor at second is a little bit square peg round hole, but he managed +5 Total Zone at the keystone in 96 games during the above peak stretch and was +6 Total Zone from 1978-80 when 2B was his primary spot] RF: 2018-19 Christian Yelich (14.3 WAR) 1,231 PA | 170 wRC+ | -7.5 FLD LF: 2007-16 Ryan Braun (38.9 WAR) 5,819 PA | 142 wRC+ | -34.4 FLD (2008-16 in OF) DH: 2007-11 Prince Fielder (19.3 WAR) 3,500 PA | 147 wRC+ | -29.3 FLD [went back and forth on who to put in which corner OF spot, but Yelich's two year peak coincided with his time as a primary RF so went with that alignment. Sets the table nicely with three elite base runners at the top, plus a really good one in Braun before getting to Fielder] C: 2023-25 William Contreras (15.0 WAR) 1,949 PA | 124 wRC+ | +16.7 FLD [another tough call with Lucroy (see below) actually having a higher wRC+ and more WAR than William for his peak run. Ultimately went with Contreras as the "starter" since he hit better with RISP and is better at controlling the running game versus Lucroy getting a lot of DEF value from his obscene early framing numbers] 1B: 1977-83 Cecil Cooper (28.2 WAR) 4,324 PA | 136 wRC+ | +10.0 FLD [yet another tough call between Cooper and George Scott, but ended up going with Coop because he did it a little longer, got more value from the bat, and had the postseason boost] 3B: 1996-99 Jeff Cirillo (20.5 WAR) 2,695 PA | 120 wRC+ | +46.0 FLD CF: 2013-14 Carlos Gomez (12.4 WAR) 1,234 PA | 130 wRC+ | +22.5 FLD [close out the lineup with professional hitter Cirillo in the eight hole, then Carlos as the second leadoff man to kick start things again from the bottom spot]

RELIEF PITCHERS (7 / *3) 2017-21 Josh Hader (282 IP | 16th) (ranks among 103 relievers min. 180 IP) 53 ERA- (2nd) | 60 FIP- (3rd) | 57 AVG+ (1st) 195 K+ (1st) | 112 BB+ (65th) | 87 HR+ (63rd) 10.9 rWAR (1st) | 8.8 fWAR (1st) | +13.46 WPA (1st) 2020-24 Devin Williams (222 IP | 45th) (ranks among 107 relievers min. 180 IP) 41 ERA- (2nd) | 53 FIP- (2nd) | 59 AVG+ (1st) 179 K+ (2nd) | 139 BB+ (95th) | 44 HR+ (7th) 9.4 rWAR (2nd) | 7.6 fWAR (2nd) | +14.33 WPA (1st) 1981-82 Rollie Fingers (157 IP | 19th) (ranks among 92 relievers min. 80 IP) 49 ERA- (2nd) | 61 FIP- (3rd) | 80 AVG+ (4th) 174 K+ (5th) | 64 BB+ (5th) | 55 HR+ (24th) 7.5 rWAR (1st) | 4.9 fWAR (2nd) | +7.21 WPA (1st) [trio of dominant Relief Aces. Pretty much just ordered them by quantity of IP but all three were among the couple two tree names in the conversation for Best Reliever in MLB during their respective peaks with the Brewers] 1986-89 Dan Plesac (284 IP | 35th) (ranks among 82 relievers min. 180 IP) 63 ERA- (3rd) | 68 FIP- (4th) | 86 AVG+ (9th) 156 K+ (7th) | 81 BB+ (9th) | 69 HR+ (27th) 9.1 rWAR (4th) | 7.6 fWAR (4th) | +5.12 WPA (14th) 2014-18 Jeremy Jeffress (240 IP | 69th) (ranks among 106 relievers min. 210 IP) 51 ERA- (4th) | 76 FIP- (30th) | 92 AVG+ (56th) 112 K+ (66th) | 100 BB+ (54th) | 54 HR+ (11th) 8.1 rWAR (11th) | 3.7 fWAR (40th) | +9.02 WPA (11th) 2010-11 John Axford (131 IP | 28th) (ranks among 101 relievers min. 100 IP) 55 ERA- (11th) | 57 FIP- (4th) | 82 AVG+ (29th) 156 K+ (11th) | 114 BB+ (71st) | 38 HR+ (11th) 3.6 rWAR (17th) | 3.2 fWAR (10th) | +6.71 WPA (1st) 2017 Corey Knebel (76 IP | 15th) (ranks among 150 relievers min. 50 IP) 41 ERA- (9th) | 58 FIP- (15th) | 71 AVG+ (13th) 188 K+ (4th) | 148 BB+ (143rd) | 58 HR+ (50th) 4.0 rWAR (1st) | 2.8 fWAR (4th) | +4.38 WPA (3rd) [pretty much just ordered the last four bullpen arms by quantity also. Plesac just a notch below those top three as he was never quite thee dominant guy. Jeffress didn't have the peripherals, but kept runs off the board and was a top dozen reliever for a five year stretch. Axford topping all relievers in Win Probability Added for his two year run with top notch K/HR rates. Knebel just one season, but about as dominant as it gets with only 25 relievers posting a 4.0 rWAR season since Eckersley modernized the closer role in 1988] *2023-25 Trevor Megill (126 IP | 134th) (ranks among 156 relievers min. 120 IP) 66 ERA- (24th) | 64 FIP- (7th) | 87 AVG+ (45th) 140 K+ (17th) | 98 BB+ (69th) | 56 HR+ (27th) 3.1 rWAR (31st) | 3.3 fWAR (19th) | +4.13 WPA (23rd) *1987-89 Chuck Crim (326 IP | 1st) (ranks among 84 relievers min. 150 IP) 73 ERA- (16th) | 96 FIP- (55th) | 97 AVG+ (53rd) 83 K+ (74th) | 82 BB+ (13th) | 84 HR+ (49th) 6.1 rWAR (8th) | 1.7 fWAR (46th) | +4.80 WPA (9th) *1992-97 Mike Fetters (334 IP | 34th) (ranks among 105 relievers min. 200 IP) 64 ERA- (7th) | 84 FIP- (29th) | 91 AVG+ (29th) 112 K+ (63rd) | 116 BB+ (76th) | 48 HR+ (6th) 7.6 rWAR (15th) | 4.7 rWAR (23rd) | +5.71 WPA (21st) [last three forty man options. Megill and Abner Uribe were close for the first spot, but Abner's lost 2024 gave the edge to Trevor for me. Crim with the rubberest of arms. Only four relievers have 326 IP from 2021-25, much less doing it over three years like Chuck did. Fetters elite home run prevention and presumably some contact management skills helped him outperform his peripherals for half a dozen years]

STARTING PITCHERS (6 / *4) 1986-88 Teddy Higuera (737 IP | 10th) (ranks among 92 pitchers min. 400 IP) 71 ERA- (2nd) | 76 FIP- (2nd) | 88 AVG+ (8th) 142 K+ (7th) | 84 BB+ (33rd) | 78 HR+ (15th) 21.5 rWAR (2nd) | 17.7 fWAR (2nd) 2020-23 Corbin Burnes (622 IP | 5th) (ranks among 94 pitchers min. 350 IP) 68 ERA- (4th) | 67 FIP- (1st) | 81 AVG+ (2nd) 135 K+ (7th) | 82 BB+ (43rd) | 66 HR+ (7th) 18.7 rWAR (1st) | 17.9 fWAR (2nd) [pair of Aces. Burnes has the better peripherals, and slightly better run prevention, but gave the #1 spot to Higuera for throwing more over a shorter period and the sepia toned memories of my youth] 2004-08 Ben Sheets (839 IP | 45th) (ranks among 95 pitchers min. 600 IP) 75 ERA- (9th) | 71 FIP- (1st) | 91 AVG+ (14th) 133 K+ (10th) | 52 BB+ (7th) | 88 HR+ (30th) 21.1 rWAR (12th) | 23.0 fWAR (7th) [my personal favourite Brewer of all time, but outside of 2004 was never really a true Ace. Funny thing, when Higuera was the 2nd best pitcher in MLB from 1986-88 the guy ahead of him in every category was Roger Clemens. When Ben Sheets posted thee very best FIP- in MLB from 2004-08 the guy in second place was Roger Clemens] 2021-25 Freddy Peralta (738 IP | 27th) (ranks among 85 pitchers min. 500 IP) 79 ERA- (12th) | 87 FIP- (24th) | 81 AVG+ (1st) 132 K+ (4th) | 106 BB+ (77th) | 97 HR+ (40th) 18.7 rWAR (8th) | 14.8 fWAR (19th) 2019-23 Brandon Woodruff (595 IP | 43rd) (ranks among 90 pitchers min. 450 IP) 69 ERA- (4th) | 72 FIP- (7th) | 86 AVG+ (8th) 130 K+ (8th) | 72 BB+ (27th) | 81 HR+ (23rd) 18.2 rWAR (11th) | 15.1 fWAR (14th) [near perfect example of how players can put up similar value over similar time frames but arrive there in two different ways. Woodruff is no doubt the better pitcher, but Peralta is still pretty good himself and has the quantity. Being the very hardest pitcher to get a hit off of for a five year stretch is pretty impressive stuff for Freddy too] 2008 CC Sabathia (130 IP | 114th) (ranks among 115 pitchers min. 130 IP) 39 ERA- (1st) | 56 FIP- (1st) | 85 AVG+ (7th) 139 K+ (7th) | 55 BB+ (11th) | 40 HR+ (1st) 5.9 rWAR (8th) | 4.7 fWAR (13th) [no words. Ok, a few. As kids we hear legends and fables and tall tales and whatnot, but what CC did in that summer of 2008 was a whole other thing. A real life myth on par with Bo Jackson or Andre the Giant for me] *1978-79 Mike Caldwell (528 IP | 6th) (ranks among 94 pitchers min. 300 IP) 70 ERA- (3rd) | 82 FIP- (7th) | 96 AVG+ (32nd) 87 K+ (60th) | 51 BB+ (2nd) | 66 HR+ (10th) 14.3 rWAR (3rd) | 10.7 fWAR (5th) *1988-92 Chris Bosio (985 IP | 25th) (ranks among 93 pitchers min. 600 IP) 86 ERA- (20th) | 89 FIP- (23rd) | 98 AVG+ (43rd) 97 K+ (47th) | 64 BB+ (9th) | 90 HR+ (41st) 17.9 rWAR (16th) | 17.1 fWAR (16th) *2009-12 Yovani Gallardo (782 IP | 26th) (ranks among 100 pitchers min. 500 IP) 92 ERA- (37th) | 89 FIP- (27th) | 94 AVG+ (20th) 128 K+ (8th) | 110 BB+ (88th) | 105 HR+ (63rd) 11.0 rWAR (38th) | 11.3 fWAR (38th) *2004-05 Doug Davis (430 IP | 17th) (ranks among 94 pitchers min. 300 IP) 84 ERA- (19th) | 86 FIP- (22nd) | 91 AVG+ (16th) 120 K+ (18th) | 110 BB+ (80th) | 80 HR+ (23rd) 8.8 rWAR (17th) | 8.1 fWAR (16th) [last four are the forty man depth. Caldwell's two year ace run was just a little too short and a little too long ago to make the cut, but is also a clear notch above these other three for me. Bosio more of an innings eater pitch to contact command kind of guy. Gallardo and Davis give R/L options with more strikeout stuff]