Packers 2022 Discussion Thread

[UpandIn]

53 man projections

Gutekunst has already talked about possibly trading for WRers during cut down. We certainly need depth at Safety depth.

One of the stranger 53 mans I've done, but the 16 man PS really changes the calculus. Anyway, here are my guesses as of now.

Also, think back to the 53 man roster from the FIRST cut downs last year vs what the team turned into. This team is gonna change a whooole lot. Hopefully in the way of players getting healthier, depth players stepping up, rookies like Enagbare building off a really nice finish to pre-season and becoming a viable #3 edge rusher, the rookies can contribute.

QB(2) Rodgers, Love
PS-Etling is athletic, but I don't see him ever developing into a full time QB. He's a Joe Webb. 

RB(3)
Jones, Dillon, Goodson, Hill(PUP)

PS-Taylor

I think this is going to be a REAL close one. Taylor is a power back who is VERY good in pass pro, he's also good in kick coverage. He's not explosive like Goodson, he's not

WRer(7)
Watson, Doubs, Lazard, Rodgers, Toure, Cobb, Watkins

PS-Winfree, Travis Fulgrham(He just got here too late to make any inroads, but we've seen him produce and he knows the offense).
Wouldn't be shocked to see Watkins not make the team and then brought back after week 1 or Gutekunst go out and make a trade or claim as he alluded to earlier this camp when he said, after the Julio singing that there's no much available, that could change at the end of camp.

TE(4)
Deguara, Davis, Lewis, Tonyan

PS-Cannella(I think he'll play a role in the passing game at some point this season. He's been impressive as a pass catcher, but obviously not much of a blocker.)

Davis has done just about all he can to lose that job. Becker may have had a chance, and he looked good as a blocker and was a big target, but went out with what appeared to be a rathr sinigicant injry. With question about Tonyan and Daffney already gone, this is definitely a position I could see them making a waiver claim. 

OL-(10)
Bakhtiari,Nijman, Runyan, Myers, Hanson, Newman, Rhyan, Jenkins, Tom, Jones

PS-Walker

I really don't get the appeal of Hanson, but he's been rotating with the 1s and he's got a chance to start the season. Walker showed a lot tonight. That he can move, that he's pretty physical. That he's worth a RS year and a PS spot.
MLF has never kept 10, but he's never had this type of talent 1-10 and he's also never went into the season with his two best players out.

By the way, Myers has looked like an absolute animal in the run game in his limited snaps vs the better DL. Rhyan looks great at times, but he's still getting beat in pass protection with quickness. 
The idea that Yosh could get floated makes a lot of sense. He's got a full year on tape. Caleb Jones is more valuable being a rook with 4 years of team control, but I'd imagine teams would prefer to go with the guy who got 600 snaps last year. 

DL-(6)
Clark, Lowry, Slaton, Reed, Wyatt, Slayton

PS-Heflin, Ford

I could go either way with Slayton or Heflin. Heflin had a bit splash play tonight with the 4th and 1 tackle, but he was just unblocked. He's been good either way, but so has Slayton. Slayton is more athletic AND has done a good job getting off blocks and anchors well in the run game. 

I do think one of the two will get claimed(Heflin or Slayton, whoever's not on the 53 man).

Wyatt was the guy I wanted at #22. He's looked...very average thus far. His defense vs the run leaves a lot to be desired, but he does have an exceptional 1st step and hopefully he'll earn playing time as the year goes on, but man, he looked brutal this last game vs the Chiefs. Moved off the ball consistently, really no plan to his rush, often just ended up as a QB spy. But he can beat ANYONE with that first step.

Edge-(4)
Gary, Smith, Enagbare, Garvin, 

PS-Kobe Jones, Galeai, LaDarius Hamilton.

I'm lost here after the first 3 who are all locks. Garvin has looked...reliable. Jones has really flashed at times. Quay Walker's ability to come up and play Edge provides some depth here. Enagbare has been really been solid vs some of the few starting OL we've played. He's just steady, collapses the pocket, plays the run. Any of the other 3 could make the 53, but this is where I'd stick with 4 to be able to go with 10 OL, 6 DL. 

 

MLBer(4)-Campbell, Walker, Barnes, McDuffie

Easiest group. Maybe Wilborn for the PS, but these 4 are all very clearly the 4 best. McDuffie took a huge 2nd year jump(it would appeaer). Barnes is limited and he always will be, but he can run and hit. Also good on STs, as is McDuffie.

CB(6)
-Alexander, Stokes, Douglas, Nixon, Jean-Charles, Thomas

PS-Gafford, Ento
Gafford blew coverage in multiple games. He's sticky and athletic, but he's not ready to play. Ento I think could play safety/CB. That Will Redmond role. Both converted WRers. 

S(4)
Amos, Savage, Davis, Leavitt

PS-Carpenter. Abernathy to the 53 man after Leavitt goes on IR

Carpenter likely takes the spot of Leavitt after the initial 53 man and Leavitt is put on IR. I don't see it. Leavitt in limited time blew a coverage, missed a few tackles, but this group is 3 deep and MAYBE Abernathy can prove to be depth in the base, not just for STs. But he didn't look especially good in either regard. I'd take Aber 

This is definitely a position they should be looking for upgrades. 

STs (3)
Crosby
Coco
O'Donnell

PS-Ahmed

[UpandIn]

7 hours ago, patrickgpe said:

I just hope they don’t lose him by trying to stash him. 

Well...if Crosby's not ready, no reason to push it. Let him spend the first 4 weeks on the PUP. He hasn't really started doing much yet, so just keep Ahmed. I'd still rather see Crosby for the end of the season, the cold weather, but, if they like Ahmed, that's a place they could save a couple million. 

Him and Dean Lowry are two guys...with the money they save, that could be the difference between keeping Amos next year. Given how much we've pushed money down the road and how this is an all-in season, they'd only do this if they think that Slayton/Heflin are comparable to Lowry and Ahmed could be as good as Crosby or at least there's no real drop off there, so I doubt it'll happen, but could be like Sitton in '16.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

2 hours ago, UpandIn said:

Well...if Crosby's not ready, no reason to push it. Let him spend the first 4 weeks on the PUP. He hasn't really started doing much yet, so just keep Ahmed. I'd still rather see Crosby for the end of the season, the cold weather, but, if they like Ahmed, that's a place they could save a couple million. 

Him and Dean Lowry are two guys...with the money they save, that could be the difference between keeping Amos next year. Given how much we've pushed money down the road and how this is an all-in season, they'd only do this if they think that Slayton/Heflin are comparable to Lowry and Ahmed could be as good as Crosby or at least there's no real drop off there, so I doubt it'll happen, but could be like Sitton in '16.

I think you are underappreciating how good Lowry was last year. He's very much in that "Solid starting NFL DL" tier, not the "we can replace him with one of these UDFA DT" tier. 

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

9 hours ago, yourout said:

Not all that impressed with Enagbare.

Practice squad at best. Not overly quick and gets walked off the line to easy.

He's put enough good tape together that I doubt he makes it to the practice squad.

[PeaveyFury]

1 hour ago, Ron Robinsons Beard said:

He's put enough good tape together that I doubt he makes it to the practice squad.

Yeah, he was playing starting OLB last night, which he won’t do week 1. He’s a solid option as the 3rd edge rotation guy in pass rush situations, which has immense value. He won’t be tasked with much run defense this season.

[CheezWizHed]

My observations:

• Love: Interesting contrast from last game.  Much better on short passes, but consistently overthrew deep passes.  At least a couple was difficult to know if the WR didn't cut/drive as expected or not.  Not worried about the INT as I'm guessing it was a WR issue - but even if not, it was a shot at the end of the half that wasn't a horrible chance.
• Etling: Showed enough to clearly be an NFL QB backup.  Reminds me of Case Keenum.  
• Carpenter: Had some gaffs in coverage, but looked good on ST. I wouldn't be shocked to see him on the roster...dude is fast.
• Amari Rodgers - aka Ty Montgomery? Interesting usage of him as a RB.    
• WRs: Certainly have some interesting depth.  Hopefully Lazard, Cobb, or Watkins (maybe Doubs?) can provide starting level WR quality...but we certainly have several upside #3/#4 types in Winfree, Toure, and Rodgers.  Winfree is the most ready, but the lowest upside (i.e. athleticism). Hyman made some really nice grabs.
• Backup OLBs - ugh... Engabare will make the team as a draft pick (and flashed some upside in pass rush).  But most of the rest have been here multiple years without any real growth.  Hopefully we pickup someone during cuts or via a trade.
• Newman still has issues with being aware to things around him when engaged in 2x blocking.  He had issues with stunts before...still had issues with blitz pickup after engaging with a combo block with the RT.  Might be better for him to be a T where he can focus on one guy. 
• Summers - I really hope we have enough ST guys to let him go.  Hate to be so negative, but he has been horrible at MLB for years.  
• Wyatt had a couple flashes of breaking through the line, but the play seemed to be run away from him each time... Dude has some speed!

Roster thoughts:

• If we are confident that Rodgers is going to be here multiple years AND if someone comes calling for Love with a good trade... I'd be ok with Etling as our backup QB. Low odds of that happening though.
• Amari as the third RB? Goodson/Taylor is ok, but still looks like a PS player. Amari as the 3rd RB and keeping an RB on the PS seems like a viable plan until Hill returns.  That gives us more options at WR and OL short term.  I'm actually thinking this might be quite possible. 
• Yosh Nijman - I've loved the guy for years, but he probably tops out as a good, but not great LT.  One more year of control here... what about trading him? Obviously, Bahk or Jenkins would need to be ready week 1 at LT.  But we have decent depth with Tom, Newman, and Jones otherwise.  I'd be surprised, but it is a possibility.
• OLB - really need something more here.  Engabare has some upside, but I don't see much else on our backups.
• S - We have a lot of ST focused guys, but not someone I'm confident in for coverage...though Abernathy has been a pleasant surprise. I could see an addition here.

[Joseph Zarr]

Just glad the pre-season is over. Really really glad. Let the roster finalizing begin!

[LouisEly]

Hanson is the backup center.  If they cut him, they have to keep Menet.  Don't say Tom, because he hasn't played center since 2019 and I haven't heard of him practicing any significant amount of snaps at center in camp.

[Joseph Zarr]

52 minutes ago, LouisEly said:

Hanson is the backup center.  If they cut him, they have to keep Menet.  Don't say Tom, because he hasn't played center since 2019 and I haven't heard of him practicing any significant amount of snaps at center in camp.

Entirely agreed. Hanson is actually quite good at Center from the limited amount of snaps we've seen.

[PeaveyFury]

Walker had a really nice game last night in his debut. They’ve got some tough o-line choices.

[NBBrewFan]

11 hours ago, UpandIn said:

Well...if Crosby's not ready, no reason to push it. Let him spend the first 4 weeks on the PUP. He hasn't really started doing much yet, so just keep Ahmed. I'd still rather see Crosby for the end of the season, the cold weather, but, if they like Ahmed, that's a place they could save a couple million. 

I know the conventional wisdom is that you don't replace a veteran kicker with years of success in a year you are going "all-in", but while we have seen a ST crapfest leading to a playoff exit, we haven't seen a field position problem leading to a playoff exit. Until the ST can get near average that's still a possibility and having to defend every kickoff from the 40/45 because your kicker can't put it deep into the end zone consistently is going to be a problem at some point.

[UpandIn]

3 hours ago, NBBrewFan said:

I know the conventional wisdom is that you don't replace a veteran kicker with years of success in a year you are going "all-in", but while we have seen a ST crapfest leading to a playoff exit, we haven't seen a field position problem leading to a playoff exit. Until the ST can get near average that's still a possibility and having to defend every kickoff from the 40/45 because your kicker can't put it deep into the end zone consistently is going to be a problem at some point.

Obviously the kickoff unit is terrible, but we've seen last night, Ahmed who has a big leg, they were giving up big returns with him as well. In theory, you want to kick it on one side of the hash, higher and you want it to come down inside the ~5 or so. I'm guessing we're at the point where they may just want to kick it into the endzone because we're constantly gashed for 40 yards on returns, but that's not on Crosby(hell, he's not even the one kicking it this year). 

Crosby's leg on Kickoffs hasn't diminished. His average KO distance and hang time were both the best of his career last year. And when you get into the cold months...it's hard for any kicker to just kick it out of the back of the EZ. 

So I don't think that's a reason to move on from him. If he's not able to hit FGs, if last year wasn't an aberration, then you move on from him. But it seems the Packers are reasonably confident that's not the case(though we won't actually know until final cuts). 

 

[UpandIn]

10 hours ago, Ron Robinsons Beard said:

I think you are underappreciating how good Lowry was last year. He's very much in that "Solid starting NFL DL" tier, not the "we can replace him with one of these UDFA DT" tier. 

I've said several times I thought Lowry was outstanding last year after the first 4-5 games. He was a negative the first month of the year and then he was really good the rest of the year.  But I also compared it to the Packers cutting a All Pro OG in Josh Sitton because they could both save some money and they felt they had good depth there. I don't THINK they'll do it, but if they can get something for him AND...as I said, they think they've got depth there, he's one of the few veterans I could see being cut, it's not because I don't think he's a good player. 

And there's a WHOLE lot we don't know. Haven't seen much of Reed, but all the reports are he's looked really good at practice. He's been the "De'Vondre Campbell," of this camp. The veteran on a cheap deal who's had a great camp. Doesn't mean he'll be an All Pro, but it could mean with with Clark now playing more DE, Slaton playing MUCH better a year later, Reed as a potential 3rd starter and then a 1st round pick(who I don't think is ready to play a lot of snaps in the base just yet) and then a couple of young guys who look really good.

There are also players people get too high on every camp. I think Winfree is one. Maybe Slayton/Heflin are two guys I'm too high on. 

 

By the way, if #83 gets cut by the Pats(I don't even know who it is)...sign him. I don't care what position he plays. SIGN HIM! I'm half serious here. One play isn't enough, but that was beautiful. 

 

[UpandIn]

2 hours ago, PeaveyFury said:

Walker had a really nice game last night in his debut. They’ve got some tough o-line choices.

He actually did. Little surprising. The announcers lost their minds on one play when a DE tried to shoot the gap and Walker just drove him down the LOS...which was a little funny, but he looked good on his feet, looked athletic.

I really love the 16 man PS. Assuming he doesn't make the 53 man...and having missed so much of camp, I don't think he will, but if they can get him in shape and shore up some of the questions people had about him coming out, the maturity issues, work ethic, the body, he could be a steal. He was a 2nd round pick in early mock drafts, so we know the talent's there. 

[UpandIn]

12 hours ago, LouisEly said:

Hanson is the backup center.  If they cut him, they have to keep Menet.  Don't say Tom, because he hasn't played center since 2019 and I haven't heard of him practicing any significant amount of snaps at center in camp.

He's gotten semi-regular snaps at C. He got more in OTA's and Mini-Camp, but he could play C, and obviously Jenkins can also play Center. So no, I don't think they NEED to keep Menet or Hanson to have coverage at Center.

I just think they like Hanson. They like him at Guard and at Center...and I don't get either, but I don't have to. He does look a lot thicker this year, especially in the legs whereas last year he just looked overmatched. 

[LouisEly]

23 hours ago, CheezWizHed said:

Yosh Nijman - I've loved the guy for years, but he probably tops out as a good, but not great LT.  One more year of control here... what about trading him? Obviously, Bahk or Jenkins would need to be ready week 1 at LT.  But we have decent depth with Tom, Newman, and Jones otherwise.  I'd be surprised, but it is a possibility.

Nijman is the rare guy who they could easily trade mid-season at the trade deadline.  Spotrac has his salary at $965K, so any team would be able to take him on.  Keeping him would give coverage for Bakh and Jenkins through the first eight games of the season in case any of them get injured/re-injured, and it gives eight weeks for other teams to have injuries at LT and create demand for Nijman. 

If Bakh and Jenkins look good to go health-wise they could flip him at the deadline for future picks or perhaps a player at a position of need where they get injuries. 

[CheezWizHed]

My thoughts on the roster battles:

1) QB - No battle.  Only keep two. Etling looked good as the 3rd QB, but so did what's-his-name last year.  Good enough for an NFL roster spot, not good enough to worry about losing. 

2) RB - 3rd RB battle. I'm really thinking they will (at least initially) keep 2 RBs.  There is a good chance Taylor and/or Goodson will not be claimed and can be put on the PS.  Neither was so good that we would worry about losing them, IMO. 

3) WR - Winfree vs Toure vs neither for 7th WR: Tough call.  I would prefer they go with Toure for upside, but the Rodgers-Winfree connection is a wild card.  Either way, neither makes the active game-day roster, so I'd prefer the upside of Toure.  I don't see Winfree being claimed either. Reminds me of the Jake Kumerow situation a couple years back.

4) OL - Jones vs Walker vs neither for 10th OL. They are probably neck-and-neck as players right now, but I'd pick Jones because of the uniqueness of his size.  High risk/high reward.  I'm guessing Walker will make it to the PS as there isn't much tape of him out there. 

5) TE - No real battle on the edges of the roster as they keep 4.  Davis makes it as no one else was really in the picture after they cut Dafney. 

6) DL - Heflin vs not for 6th DL.  I say they should keep 5.  Weird to say after having zero DL depth in years past, but we have 5 good ones. Heflin has a decent chance at being grabbed on waivers, but still a 50/50 shot he can return.

7) OLB - I suspect Garvin, Engebare are both locks at #3 and #4 OLB.  So the question is Galeia vs. Hamilton vs. Jones vs waiver wire claim for the 5th OLB. I'd probably take Jones of who we have as the 5th OLB, but I'm really hoping for a waiver wire upgrade.  Would REALLY be great to find a vet on the tail-side of his career to be the 3rd OLB and let G & E grow or push for playing time. 

8 ) ILB - Wilburn vs. no one for 5th ILB.  Summers was already cut, so that is one less option.  I think Wilburn would easily make the PS, so I'd go with 4 ILB so we can keep more Safeties  

9) S - Personally, I'm not a Leavitt fan from what I saw, but now that he is practicing, I'm pretty sure he is a lock.  Thus, the battle is between Davis, Carpenter, Cross, and Abernathy for 4th and 5th safeties.  Davis has a pretty clear lead, but I'm also loving what Carpenter and Abernathy brought to the table.  (Cross showed up a bit the last game too).  So I'll pick Davis as the 4th S.  Someone is going to grab Abernathy given what he showed on tape... but Carpenter has such tantalizing upside...  Touch call, but I'll go with Abernathy. But my heart says to cut Leavitt and keep Davis, Abernathy, and Carpenter.

10) CB - Looking at #6 CB here.  Gafford vs. Thomas, vs Ento.  Personally, I prefer Thomas, but I'm guessing the Packers pick Gafford.  Gafford's game speed did not match (IMO) the 4.2 - 40 dash speed he was touted to have. I think Thomas will make the PS pretty easily.

11) LS - Coco vs ??? I guess it really depends on the cuts that occur, but Coco has been solid so far.  A LS on the PS wouldn't be shocking if they go with Coco.

12) K - Really more about injury than not.  Ahmed looked solid out there, so I'd guess they give Crosby more time to heal. 

[bjkrautk]

Since I haven't tried this yet, my predictions for the initial 53-man roster: (Italics = bubble)

QB (2): Rodgers, Love

RB (3): Jones, Dillon, Taylor

WR (6): Lazard, Watkins, Cobb, Doubs, Watson, Rodgers

TE (4): Tonyan, Lewis, Deguara, Davis

OL (10): Bakhtiari, Runyan Jr., Myers, Newman, Jenkins, Nijman, Tom, Hanson, Rhyan, Walker

 

DL (6): Clark, Lowry, Reed, Slaton, Wyatt, Slayton

OLB (4): Gary, Preston, Engabare, Garvin

MLB (4): Campbell, Walker, Barnes, McDuffie

CB (6): Alexander, Stokes, Douglas, Jean-Charles, Nixon, Ento

S (5): Amos, Savage, Abernathy, Leavitt, Davis

 

ST (3): O'Donnell, Coco, Ahmed (Crosby on PUP)

 

Hardest cut for me: keeping a 4th TE over Toure....but LaFleur values the TE spot too much to only keep 3.  Cutting both Toure and Winfree makes me relatively confident one of them would make it to the practice squad.  Taylor gets the last RB spot primarily due to pass blocking, since his main value is as a 3rd down back.

[FVBrewerFan]

Does anyone believe Rodgers has a say in who makes the roster at WR?  I'm honestly asking.  Not that he has say in how many they keep, or anything like that.  But if he feels strongly about Winfree, or whomever does he get his wish?

[UpandIn]

34 minutes ago, bjkrautk said:

Since I haven't tried this yet, my predictions for the initial 53-man roster: (Italics = bubble)

QB (2): Rodgers, Love

RB (3): Jones, Dillon, Taylor

WR (6): Lazard, Watkins, Cobb, Doubs, Watson, Rodgers

TE (4): Tonyan, Lewis, Deguara, Davis

OL (10): Bakhtiari, Runyan Jr., Myers, Newman, Jenkins, Nijman, Tom, Hanson, Rhyan, Walker

 

DL (6): Clark, Lowry, Reed, Slaton, Wyatt, Slayton

OLB (4): Gary, Preston, Engabare, Garvin

MLB (4): Campbell, Walker, Barnes, McDuffie

CB (6): Alexander, Stokes, Douglas, Jean-Charles, Nixon, Ento

S (5): Amos, Savage, Abernathy, Leavitt, Davis

 

ST (3): O'Donnell, Coco, Ahmed (Crosby on PUP)

 

Hardest cut for me: keeping a 4th TE over Toure....but LaFleur values the TE spot too much to only keep 3.  Cutting both Toure and Winfree makes me relatively confident one of them would make it to the practice squad.  Taylor gets the last RB spot primarily due to pass blocking, since his main value is as a 3rd down back.

Tyler Davis has really taken what's a near lock of a roster spot and done ALMOST everything he can in the games to cough it up. But with Tonyan coming back, I think you're right. 

I think Gutukunst has given away a few clues how they may approach this cut down a bit differently. He's said repeatedly it's a 69 man roster, not a 53 anymore. With the ability to bring players up each week. 

That's what's kinda changed my mind on the possibility of keeping 2 RBs vs 3. I think now CheeseWiz may be right, they could start the season with 2 RBs. Especially if you can get some snaps from Rodgers at RB. 

Andy Herman is a really good follow. Breaks down the players and actually grades them. He has the Packers keeping 11 OL and 8 WRers. I don't think they keep 8 WRers, but I could see 7 with Toure getting the last spot. I think he'll get claimed. RB, everyone has a RB they think will get picked up.

I think OL is the more likely position to get a player claimed, then DL and then, if they cut Toure, WRer. 

I think we should be able to get Etling, the RBs, our Edge, CBs al through waivers. Gafford has shown something, but he's been too inconsistent. 

Of course when looking at the DBs as a whole, it's so tough to tell who's actually been responsible for some of the big plays. There was one last week I believe(maybe the week prior) where people put a breakdown on Carpenter. To me it looked like Quarters or at least some type of Cover 3(particularly as Gafford was covering the flat and we already had a LBer over there). But like the PFF grades, we don't know the calls.

 

So maybe the perception of guys like Gafford, Carpenter, Leavitt are higher than ours are...depending on the calls. They seem hellbent on keeping Leavitt...though I'm not sure why. He's got tight hips, he's just not a real fluid looking athlete. And he's injured...and I have a hard time seeing someone else claiming him. 

At OLBer, again, I'm with both the last two projections...except, why make Tipa a healthy scratch last week if he's not pretty much guaranteed a roster spot? Did they just want to see more from Kobe Jones? He's looked pretty impressive at times(he's also got a 1.7 RAS score, or something like that and hasn't done enough to get claimed I don't believe). 

 

I'd recommend checking out Andy Herman's videos or his content on various platforms. He's pretty insightful and I find that his grades on players(he goes back and charts every single play on the All 22) line up pretty accurately with the eye test. 
 

 

[UpandIn]

4 hours ago, FVBrewerFan said:

Does anyone believe Rodgers has a say in who makes the roster at WR?  I'm honestly asking.  Not that he has say in how many they keep, or anything like that.  But if he feels strongly about Winfree, or whomever does he get his wish?

Yeah, to an extent. Randall Cobb says he does. But really, now that they're in a different place, I think Rodgers just wanted them to kinda go through their thought process with him more than anything. I assume you're asking because of Winfree after Kumerow-gate a few years ago.

I guess that'll kinda be the tell. If they keep Winfree over Toure, then I guess the answer will be yes. But I suspect they'll just say they think they can get Winfree through Waivers, he's a RFA next year whereas Toure is a rookie. That seems to be the last undecided at that position. Do they keep 1 or both and which one.

 

Also worth noting, Rodgers has been pretty effusive in his praise of Toure as of late as well. Particularly on the sideline this last game.

I think it's impressive how the Packers has really worked with Rodgers and now they both seem to be in a much better place. 

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

9 hours ago, UpandIn said:

So maybe the perception of guys like Gafford, Carpenter, Leavitt are higher than ours are...depending on the calls. They seem hellbent on keeping Leavitt...though I'm not sure why. He's got tight hips, he's just not a real fluid looking athlete. And he's injured...and I have a hard time seeing someone else claiming him. 

I'd be shocked if Leavitt is left off the final roster. He is a veteran and has a reputation as a high-end special teamer. Plus he's been a Bisaccia guy the last 4 years. 

[CheezWizHed]

Watching STs in the preseason is tough because they mix and match so much.  But I still didn't see Leavitt bring much to the table and virtually nothing on defense.  But I'm sure his history is going to mean much more to the coaches in the final decision.  

Frankly, I'm a big Carpenter fan.  He might've been the one to blow coverage in the game, but he is a late round pick who is learning the defense and missed time with an injury who made a mental mistake.  He actually showed up more on ST than Leavitt did and I'd bank on him being more of an impact on ST. 

Regarding Winfree, I don't think Gute is going to make the same mistake twice.  Rodgers probably doesn't have the authority to simply say, "keep this guy, cut that guy".  But I'm sure he will be in the discussion in evaluating the WR performance, potential, and how they build that room.

Also, I swear the Packer blogs are harvesting our ideas here... both my idea to trade Nijman and to keep 2 RBs suddenly showed up on articles after I posted them here... ?

[Brewcrew82]

Winfree cut, so looks like they're going to indeed go with Touré. Hopefully they will be able to sneak him onto the practice squad as I like the development he's shown, plus the rapport with Rodgers. With the seemingly better communication between Rodgers and management, I don't think this will be a Kumerow situation, and expect that Rodgers was involved in some capacity. 

[CheezWizHed]

Six vs Seven WRs - With Watkins and Cobb both on our roster, the chances of both making it through the season uninjured is going to be low.  So I'm thinking that also pushes them to keep 7, assuming attrition will make a "natural" cut later in the season.