Trevor Bauer suspended for two seasons

[DuWayne Steurer]

Bauer also harrassed a college age girl on Twitter for 72 hours because she said he was her "least favorite athlete" to the point she was getting death threats from his followers.  like adambr said, there's almost certainly past behavior at play when MLB made their decision.  

[SRB]

On 5/2/2022 at 7:48 PM, ClosetBrewerFan said:

Why would you say it is "proven".  I have seen no evidence, video or other physical evidence.  Our law says "innocent until proven guilty".  That does not say I dont believe he could be guilty.  Just that legally, it has not been proven he is guilty.  I think its the correct term.

He has not been criminally convicted, no, but my point is that MLB just did a massive yearlong investigation with far greater resources than a DA's office would have in preparing a criminal indictment, and the commissioner's office evidently concluded that the allegations were sufficiently proven to hand down an unprecedented 2-year suspension. So it's not all just rumors and hearsay floating around.

[Jopal78]

10 hours ago, SRB said:

He has not been criminally convicted, no, but my point is that MLB just did a massive yearlong investigation with far greater resources than a DA's office would have in preparing a criminal indictment, and the commissioner's office evidently concluded that the allegations were sufficiently proven to hand down an unprecedented 2-year suspension. So it's not all just rumors and hearsay floating around.

His suspension is also a byproduct of the societal climate right now. Even if there are two valid perspectives about what went on with the women, he's bad for not only the MLB brand, but also the Dodgers brand; and there's no way for corporate PR people to spin a sex abuse scandal to make themselves not look bad. 

On the other hand, dropping the hammer on Bauer solves all their problems.  Bauer is removed from the equation, they show they take these type of allegations very seriously, and the character of their athletes is as important as their ability to pitch or hit. Moreover, having dropped the hammer on him, the zeitgeist can attach a myriad of labels to anyone who chooses to defend him in essence chilling discourse. 

[markedman5]

 

[Axman59]

Crazy!

[HarveysWBs]

6 hours ago, markedman5 said:

 

I lived through le affair de Braun.  I’m not about to take anyone’s self-defense at anything remotely close to face value.  I’m not saying I know what happened, but I am saying I’m sure I don’t know.

[SomewhereInTime]

Yep, not surprising at all.  It's not the first time a famous rich celebrity has had false accusations against him in order to get a settlement.  That's why these women need to be thrown in prison.

[Jake McKibbin]

3 hours ago, SomewhereInTime said:

Yep, not surprising at all.  It's not the first time a famous rich celebrity has had false accusations against him in order to get a settlement.  That's why these women need to be thrown in prison.

Also important to note how advantageous expensive lawyers are in these situations. As said above, that's his story and following many of these, I've realised just how believable someone is in a rape/sexual assault case until you hear the other side of things. 

[homer]

The worst part is that if she was making it up, it makes it that much harder to convict a Danny Masterson or a Kellen Winslow or a Darren Sharper.

[BrewerFan]

6 hours ago, SomewhereInTime said:

Yep, not surprising at all.  It's not the first time a famous rich celebrity has had false accusations against him in order to get a settlement.  That's why these women need to be thrown in prison.

Hey now...watch out. I QUESTIONED if he was guilty when this video was leaked and I was called a rape apologist by the guy who runs the board.

 

[BrewerFan]

2 hours ago, Jake McKibbin said:

Also important to note how advantageous expensive lawyers are in these situations. As said above, that's his story and following many of these, I've realised just how believable someone is in a rape/sexual assault case until you hear the other side of things. 

That's fair. The details when they came out were...wild, shocking and outraging. 

But this video and a lot of these details leaked a WHILE back. Her actually texting that she was going go do this for money and his net worth and being asked by another women(her AA sponsor) if she ever felt guilty, I didn't see that, but at the very least, anyone who didn't kinda pause after this video came out and think, "MAYBE I got this wrong," I don't think they ever will. 

The Quintez Cephus case was another time I just assumed a guy was guilty because...why would they proceed if they had video evidence that disproved the story?

I don't know, I tend to believe there are very few people out there targeting a man for his money, so this probably shouldn't inform our opinions moving forward...other than maybe we don't dig in so quickly to take sides and then just refuse to ever move an inch irrespective of the facts that come out.

[Jake McKibbin]

6 minutes ago, BrewerFan said:

That's fair. The details when they came out were...wild, shocking and outraging. 

But this video and a lot of these details leaked a WHILE back. Her actually texting that she was going go do this for money and his net worth and being asked by another women(her AA sponsor) if she ever felt guilty, I didn't see that, but at the very least, anyone who didn't kinda pause after this video came out and think, "MAYBE I got this wrong," I don't think they ever will. 

The Quintez Cephus case was another time I just assumed a guy was guilty because...why would they proceed if they had video evidence that disproved the story?

I don't know, I tend to believe there are very few people out there targeting a man for his money, so this probably shouldn't inform our opinions moving forward...other than maybe we don't dig in so quickly to take sides and then just refuse to ever move an inch irrespective of the facts that come out.

That last paragraph is exactly it. We can never know for sure, and maybe she was just talking about his net worth as a means to becoming more romantically involved (though I hate that too). I'm not arguing she's a good person either, realistically none of us know all the details, I doubt either of them ever release everything that went on.

And very few people, if she did act as he suggests, would be this way. You're entirely right and definitely shouldn't prejudice ones view in future situations.

Maybe we got it wrong, maybe it's right. as in the Depp/Heard case, I think it's safe to say that maybe neither of them were particularly wholesome humans

[MrTPlush]

Should have never been suspended in the first place, but here we are. No one really liked Bauer before, so it was easy to just throw him under the bus, blacklist him, and then move on. This is what pro athletes face. You have to be treated as guilty due to the media attention etc. Even if you are totally proven guilty, it likely can't undo the damage done. Bauer was screwed out of tens of millions of dollars. 

[jerichoholicninja]

As a huge fan of Trevor Bauer the baseball player I hope he's back in the bigs next year. 

[Samurai Bucky]

Yes, the court of public opinion sucks sometimes.  I think people condemned him because of some of his off the wall (or over the wall) actions on the field.  There are things that are said in the press and even on message boards in speculation.  Heck, if somebody posts an opinion on a blog, there are major news services that will quote that as fact.  Pick a little - talk a little (except using the Internet... so it would be type a little?).

The accuser should not get off.  I understand why Bauer wants this to be over.  

[folly412]

Crazy that there is hard evidence that an MLB player at the time was aware of and encouraging the plan against Bauer.  Not that he's going to get back to the big leagues, but Jacob Nix would have to get an MLB ban if any team were to show interest.

[BrewerFan]

16 minutes ago, Samurai Bucky said:

Yes, the court of public opinion sucks sometimes.  I think people condemned him because of some of his off the wall (or over the wall) actions on the field.  There are things that are said in the press and even on message boards in speculation.  Heck, if somebody posts an opinion on a blog, there are major news services that will quote that as fact.  Pick a little - talk a little (except using the Internet... so it would be type a little?).

The accuser should not get off.  I understand why Bauer wants this to be over.  

Assuming there was the level of planning and literal talk of theft from the text messages as represented? No...she should not. 

But a DA going after her would look awful and they'll be far more concerned with that. The LA District Attorney already said he's not filing charges. They'll say it'll discourage victims from coming forward and the like...I think in reality it does the opposite. When you so brazenly lie and you're caught in that lie and it's just ok, nothing happens other than a guy loses ~100M and the potential to earn much-much more. 

[jerichoholicninja]

2 hours ago, folly412 said:

Crazy that there is hard evidence that an MLB player at the time was aware of and encouraging the plan against Bauer.  Not that he's going to get back to the big leagues, but Jacob Nix would have to get an MLB ban if any team were to show interest.

That part really floored me. He had to be getting a cut of whatever she got or else he really hated Trevor.

[BrewerFan]

14 minutes ago, jerichoholicninja said:

That part really floored me. He had to be getting a cut of whatever she got or else he really hated Trevor.

We should probably afford him the same benefit of the doubt we're saying should have been afforded to Bauer. I'm gonna assume he didn't realize she was going to take it all the way...unless someone has seen all the texts. 

Bauer is kinda reading these like they're a group chat and I don't know that they are. It could have just as easily been her telling him she's linking up with a guy with a monster deal and he makes a joke?

 

What a dirtbag he'd have to be to know the whole story and roll with it though. Even if he hated Bauer...I can't think of anyone who I'd let go through that KNOWING it was a lie. 

[LouisEly]

11 hours ago, homer said:

The worst part is that if she was making it up, it makes it that much harder to convict a Danny Masterson or a Kellen Winslow or a Darren Sharper.

Yes and no.  It also helps make it clear what the standards of proof are and exactly what evidence needs to be collected/presented, and what will be thrown out, so that the case doesn't tossed out on a technicality or get drawn out because a rich pro athlete can afford better attorneys.

[Fear The Chorizo]

14 hours ago, homer said:

The worst part is that if she was making it up, it makes it that much harder to convict a Danny Masterson or a Kellen Winslow or a Darren Sharper.

No the worst part would be that she was making it up and Hill got a $300K insurance payment for filing an assault claim that was fraudulent.  Meanwhile Bauer, for all his unlikeable qualities, is now forever known as a rapist/sexual assault predator in the public eye and his career earnings as a baseball player and post-pitching career will wind up being 9 figures less than he would have made had he never been suspended based on a lie.

The result of this by no means helps cases where there are legitimate crimes that are tough to prosecute based on he said/she said evidence moving forward...but it definitely will lead to enabling more of these type of false accusations knowing there aren't significant consequences for making them.