Projected 2022 All-Stars, Brewers

[formerlybis]

I just saw a site projecting Burnes and Hader as the Brewers representatives.

It doesn't look like Burnes will be the NL starter, but he's at least in the conversation. The other thing for him is that the Brewers could start him Tuesday and Sunday on the coming road trip, which would make him unlikely to be available at all. As a Brewer fan, I much rather have him do that, but if making an appearance in the ASG is important to him, the club might delay his next start until Wednesday (or just skip him on Sunday). 

Hader certainly deserves the bid for his body of work in the first half, recent scuffling aside. 

The snub would be Devin Williams. The writer of the site I saw doesn't even list him in the "snub" category, which might be an even bigger snub.

I think it's really hard to make a case for any of the position players/DHs. 

[Outlander]

Wouldn't be surprised if Hader and Burnes sat it out and Williams replaced one of them.

[Brewcrew82]

Burnes and Hader are locks. If one of them is unavailable, though, they should definitely be replaced with Williams. 

[Jim French Stepstool]

Please start Burnes Tuesday & Sunday. If I read that Counsell is holding him back primarily due to an all-star appearance, there might be a laptop-shaped indentation on our family-room wall. That game in LA week after next is ranked 163rd in level of importance.

[djoctagone]

corbin burnes makes the 2022 national league all-star team.

[djoctagone]

josh hader makes the 2022 national league all-star team.

 

[folly412]

Williams snubbed.  Hader sitting it out wouldn't be the worst idea, in which case Williams likely gets in.

[BruisedCrew]

According to the MLB app Alexander and Ashby are pitching against the Twins. 

If this is accurate, either something is wrong with Burnes or they are giving him a break.

I was hoping he would pitch Tuesday and Sunday and not pitch in the ASG. 

[Brewcrew82]

3 hours ago, BruisedCrew said:

According to the MLB app Alexander and Ashby are pitching against the Twins. 

If this is accurate, either something is wrong with Burnes or they are giving him a break.

I was hoping he would pitch Tuesday and Sunday and not pitch in the ASG. 

 

[BruisedCrew]

Good to see that the Brewers are giving priority to having Burnes pitch in a meaningless exhibition over maximizing the chances of winning a regular season game. 

[brewers888]

Not pitching Burnes twice this week when he's on schedule is completely inexcusable but totally on brand for how this season is going. Its very hard to take this team seriously when they decide its more important for the ace of the team to pitch in a meaningless exhibition game than throw twice the last week before the break. 

 

[sveumrules]

Where does it say the Brewers are giving Burnes extra rest so he can pitch the All Star Game?

McCalvey notes the extra rest lines him up to pitch in the ASG, not that the Brewers are doing it for that specific purpose.

I’m always fine with erring on the side of caution/extra rest for any pitcher, much less one as integral to the team’s uninspiring mediocrity as Burnes is.

[Jim French Stepstool]

Pitch him on Tuesday & Sunday, then give him a couple extra days into the post ASG portion of the season if they want to give him a break. Horrible decision IMO.

[Thurston Fluff]

I think some  are making way to much about pitching in a meaningless game. He'd be essentially pitching a bullpen session which he'd probably be doing anyway.

[Brewcrew82]

I think this is more about lining up Burnes and Woodruff back to back as it was before Woody's injury than about ensuring that he's available to pitch in the all-star game. I'm fine with the extra rest for Burnes, as he's easily the most important/irreplaceable player on this team. 

 

[brewers888]

If Burnes needs extra rest he should just skip the all star game altogether. Pushing a Burnes start back to throw a guy like Alexander is almost throwing in the towel on the game. Our ace pitcher is on schedule to pitch tuesday and sunday and that is exactly what he should be doing.

[Jim French Stepstool]

1 hour ago, Thurston Fluff said:

I think some  are making way to much about pitching in a meaningless game. He'd be essentially pitching a bullpen session which he'd probably be doing anyway.

True. But it would be pitching a bullpen session while getting in one start this week, as opposed to two.

[Jim French Stepstool]

50 minutes ago, Brewcrew82 said:

I think this is more about lining up Burnes and Woodruff back to back as it was before Woody's injury than about ensuring that he's available to pitch in the all-star game. I'm fine with the extra rest for Burnes, as he's easily the most important/irreplaceable player on this team. 

 

I'm not sure how important that is, but if they feel it is then how difficult would it be to line it up that way if Burnes goes Sunday?

 

[Brewcrew82]

7 minutes ago, brewers888 said:

If Burnes needs extra rest he should just skip the all star game altogether. Pushing a Burnes start back to throw a guy like Alexander is almost throwing in the towel on the game. Our ace pitcher is on schedule to pitch tuesday and sunday and that is exactly what he should be doing.

I doubt he absolutely "needs" the extra rest. More likely, the Brewers are simply exercising caution with their best player, in addition to realigning the rotation so that their "one-two punch" is back in order. It's a long season, and one that is not going to be determined by having Burnes start one game as opposed to two games this week. Finally, @Brock Beauchampwould probably be able to back me up on this, but the Twins have hit some elite pitchers such as Gerrit Cole and Shane McClanahan pretty hard this year, while having some struggles against lesser pitchers. Maybe the Brewers have noticed this and are willing to take their chance with a guy like Alexander against that lineup? 

[brewers888]

16 minutes ago, Brewcrew82 said:

I doubt he absolutely "needs" the extra rest. More likely, the Brewers are simply exercising caution with their best player, in addition to realigning the rotation so that their "one-two punch" is back in order. It's a long season, and one that is not going to be determined by having Burnes start one game as opposed to two games this week. Finally, @Brock Beauchampwould probably be able to back me up on this, but the Twins have hit some elite pitchers such as Gerrit Cole and Shane McClanahan pretty hard this year, while having some struggles against lesser pitchers. Maybe the Brewers have noticed this and are willing to take their chance with a guy like Alexander against that lineup? 

Coming up with an excuse of the Twins hit around some great pitchers so the Brewers are looking at it as a reason to start Alexander over Burnes is truly one of the craziest things I've ever heard. If Burnes needs rest and thats up to him to decide he needs to sit out the all star game not skip a start for the Brewers. 

[BruisedCrew]

1 hour ago, Brewcrew82 said:

I think this is more about lining up Burnes and Woodruff back to back as it was before Woody's injury than about ensuring that he's available to pitch in the all-star game. I'm fine with the extra rest for Burnes, as he's easily the most important/irreplaceable player on this team. 

 

What’s the value in having Burnes and Woodruff back to back when there is a big drop off between them and the other three starters? That gives you 3 straight days (sometimes 4 if they stay with 5 off days between starts) of lesser starters that virtually guarantee heavy bullpen usage. It might be better to have them separated. 

[Brewcrew82]

17 minutes ago, brewers888 said:

Coming up with an excuse of the Twins hit around some great pitchers so the Brewers are looking at it as a reason to start Alexander over Burnes is truly one of the craziest things I've ever heard. If Burnes needs rest and thats up to him to decide he needs to sit out the all star game not skip a start for the Brewers. 

It's not an excuse. It's all part of a broader context, and within that context, the Brewers' decision to move him to Thursday does make a bit more sense. He's not "skipping" a start either. He's just being pushed back a mere two days. I doubt Burnes has much of a say anyways. If it were up to him, I'm sure he'd be going 120 pitches every fifth day. But the Brewers have to take the long-term view here with their most valuable asset. 

[Brock Beauchamp]

41 minutes ago, Brewcrew82 said:

I doubt he absolutely "needs" the extra rest. More likely, the Brewers are simply exercising caution with their best player, in addition to realigning the rotation so that their "one-two punch" is back in order. It's a long season, and one that is not going to be determined by having Burnes start one game as opposed to two games this week. Finally, @Brock Beauchampwould probably be able to back me up on this, but the Twins have hit some elite pitchers such as Gerrit Cole and Shane McClanahan pretty hard this year, while having some struggles against lesser pitchers. Maybe the Brewers have noticed this and are willing to take their chance with a guy like Alexander against that lineup? 

Yeah, the Twins went on a tear about a month ago where they absolutely lit up the Jays, Yankees, and Rays starters but then lost four of five against Detroit. Minnesota’s offense is very good but has been prone to laying down and dying against pretty bad pitchers. 

[brewers888]

5 minutes ago, Brewcrew82 said:

It's not an excuse. It's all part of a broader context, and within that context, the Brewers' decision to move him to Thursday does make a bit more sense. He's not "skipping" a start either. He's just being pushed back a mere two days. I doubt Burnes has much of a say anyways. If it were up to him, I'm sure he'd be going 120 pitches every fifth day. But the Brewers have to take the long-term view here with their most valuable asset. 

Starting Burnes on Thursday instead of Tuesday and Sunday is skipping a start with the all star break following the game on Sunday. If the team feels he needs the extra rest no problem but that means skipping the all star game or the plan makes no sense at all.

[Brewcrew82]

8 minutes ago, BruisedCrew said:

What’s the value in having Burnes and Woodruff back to back when there is a big drop off between them and the other three starters? That gives you 3 straight days (sometimes 4 if they stay with 5 off days between starts) of lesser starters that virtually guarantee heavy bullpen usage. It might be better to have them separated. 

I'm not personally convinced it matters too much either way. But I do see the logic of having your best two pitchers lined up back to back over the course of the season as it could provide you with a better opportunity to sustain momentum than spreading them apart would. Also, when playoff time comes around, you don't need to do as much shuffling, especially if you're playing meaningful games into the last week of the regular season and don't have that luxury.