Brewers acquire Trevor Rosenthal

[BigDaddy1974]

2 hours ago, sveumrules said:

If our deadline was as bad as many are making it out to be, why would the Mets (who already have a better record & World Series odds than us with their current FO) even want Stearns to begin with?

In part because the guys they’ve had have been inadequate in bringing them the level of success they think they should be at. Stearns has proven to be a good GM and won consistently in little Milwaukee. Imagine what he can do with a big market pay roll. That has to be part of their motivation. He has been good but he’s not infallible.

How much further has Stearns gotten us compared to Melvin? One game closer?

 

 

[Jim French Stepstool]

4 hours ago, JefferyLeonard said:

4 hours ago, JefferyLeonard said:

I don't necessarily have a vandetta. But let me give you an example, Of what I'd like to see sometime. Let's use DS's own words for this exercise. He mentioned how they have never made one outgoing call about Hader, but essentially that the package SD put in front of them was too good to turn down. Okay, I get that if that's how he felt. But...isn't the reverse also true?? Has DS ever put a package in front of a team (that maybe wasn't looking to trade a particular player), that they just couldn't say no too?? 

 

Now of course we will never know for sure, but given the way DS operates, I think it's fair to assume the answer is more than likely no. Well, why not?? Why can't they ever have a deadline like the Padres just did, and just once be the "big winners" at the deadline?? The window is only open for so long, and for a small market team, when you have that window you MUST do everything you can to take advantage of it, because that window may never come around again, or at least not for a really long time. 

I look at what the Padres gave up for Soto and I think..."okay there is no way the Brewers couldn't have given an offer just as good(if not better) than the Padres, right?? Sure they could have. Okay so many would say "you empty the farm then". Do you?? The Padres didn't. Also, in reagrds to that, keep in mind, even if you do trade "prospects"(and that's all they are btw), you have Soto for two years(where the $$ isn't prohibitive) to capitalize on the window you have. After that you trade him again and perhaps even get more than what you originally gave up. And no less than what you gave up for sure. So, why aren't the Brewers more aggressive at the deadline?? That always leaves me scratching my head. 

 

There's some good stuff there. But one thing: You talk about trading Soto & getting prospects back. If you're competing for playoffs/world series in his last year, there's no way you can deal him w/o sabotaging your chances. The only practical way to do that is if you aren't competing at the end of his contract. 

I get the frustration re Stearns. But--and I don't want to sound like Bud or Wendy Selig-Prieb-- it's incredibly tough to balance all of this with their revenue streams compared to other teams. The above is just one of the things to consider. At the end of the day, they have to--HAVE TO--have a healthy farm system, top to bottom.

[Jim French Stepstool]

4 hours ago, beekay414 said:

I don't think price had anything to do with it. I think this is the philosophy we've been building towards the last few seasons. We've been drafting high quality fielders, contact bats and tooled up arms. I'm sure, if the MLB shift ban does indeed come, we're going to be playing a less long ball oriented game going forward and we're going to be built on contact, defense and pitching.

The recent drafts bear this out. And I like it, a lot. I think it happens regardless of any stupid shift ban.

[SomewhereInTime]

5 hours ago, Robocaller said:

I like this trade least of all.

Peters isn't destined for major league greatness, but I wouldn't be surprised if he's on a ML roster for 2.5 years over a 5 year period. Those guys have some value. 

I don't know that Rosenthal has any value.

 

Guys who are on a ML roster for 2.5 years over a 5 year period are basically freely available at all times.

[Neazy32]

not a huge fan of it but, lets see what Rosenthal does if he has a good couple months it will be a good trade....Peters was never going to see time here.... We have Frelick, Wiemer, Mitchell, Lutz, Campbell, Chourio, C. Rodriguez right around him and then numerous others below him like Mendez, Fernandez, Avina, Medina, Castillo, H. Perez, Gray Jr,

unless hes a good major leaguer it will be fine

[Rock hard Brouhard]

Maybe this is how Boston fans felt when they traded Nomar for Orlando Cabrera and Doug Mientkiewicz……. I will be happy if a line drive is hit back to Rosenthal to end game 7 and he pockets the ball….of course if he is pitching in the 9th inning of game 7, I would say the train went way off the tracks somewhere.

[djoctagone]

13 hours ago, jay87shot said:

I don't get it, do we control (Rosenthal) next year as well?

no. he signed a one-year deal with the giants.

[djoctagone]

 

[Roderick]

35 minutes ago, djoctagone said:

 

Yeah, but is that $4.5M stated as an annual contract?  Since he signed in July, lets say ~60% through the season, will he will get approximately $1.8M or 40% of that amount, or is the $4.5M what he is actually getting paid for 2+ months of work.  I'm assuming he is getting paid the $1.8M..

[adambr2]

 

[Jopal78]

5 minutes ago, adambr2 said:

 

It's a funny meme for sure and a funny situation trading for a player who may never pitch, but it's not my money so what do I care? 

As for Peters, he was a 7th round pick who they signed for under slot value at $147,500.

In the last 20 years the Brewers have had 2 players drafted in the 7th round who became regulars at the major league level: Michael Brantley '05 and Khris Davis '09.  Other 7th rounders in the last 20 years: David Goforth '11 who saw the major leagues briefly, and Tom Wilhelmsen who was a Brewers 7th rounder in '02 and eventually made the majors several years after being released by the Brewers and being out of organized baseball.

If Tristan Peters ends up becoming a major league regular, good for him and San Francisco, but right now in 2022 he's a player where the odds are already stacked against him. 

I have no issues with the Brewers playing the percentages and dealing a player like that from their system. 

 

 

[Harold Hutchison]

10 hours ago, Jim French Stepstool said:

The recent drafts bear this out. And I like it, a lot. I think it happens regardless of any stupid shift ban.

If anything, it forces teams to NOT shift.

That said, going the other way, shortening the swing, NOT trying to pull every pitch... those are SKILLS and players should be able to LEARN them to some extent.

[patrickgpe]

32 minutes ago, adambr2 said:

 

he is not even in the giants top 30. lets not make this kid to be something he isn't. 

[Harold Hutchison]

10 hours ago, Jim French Stepstool said:

There's some good stuff there. But one thing: You talk about trading Soto & getting prospects back. If you're competing for playoffs/world series in his last year, there's no way you can deal him w/o sabotaging your chances. The only practical way to do that is if you aren't competing at the end of his contract. 

I get the frustration re Stearns. But--and I don't want to sound like Bud or Wendy Selig-Prieb-- it's incredibly tough to balance all of this with their revenue streams compared to other teams. The above is just one of the things to consider. At the end of the day, they have to--HAVE TO--have a healthy farm system, top to bottom.

This is a reality.

The real issue is, how do you keep that farm system stocked, both for the players who will be on the roster and those who will be dealt.

That said, Peters was a guy who was a high-average guy who had speed (8 triples) and very good OBP skills, Maybe a slightly faster Brady Clark - and not a bad option for a 4th OF.

[CheeseheadInQC]

If Rosenthal were ready to start a rehab assignment now, I would understand dealing Peters as, when right, Rosenthal has been great. I don’t get dealing a passable prospect and paying the rest of the contract when you have no idea when or if he will be back this year.

[MrTPlush]

I mean Stearns was once dumb enough to give over the hill Neftali Feliz $5.35mil. A bit strange they didn't just do this a few weeks ago as I imagine he probably would have preferred the Brewers...but hey, maybe not. I won't get to hung up on that part of this trade.

[MrTPlush]

2 hours ago, Roderick said:

Yeah, but is that $4.5M stated as an annual contract?  Since he signed in July, lets say ~60% through the season, will he will get approximately $1.8M or 40% of that amount, or is the $4.5M what he is actually getting paid for 2+ months of work.  I'm assuming he is getting paid the $1.8M..

You are probably right. When players sign mid-season it gets signed as if it is a full year deal and then it gets prorated. So I am betting that $4.5mil is the contract size and not the prorated money he is actually going to be paid. Who knows how it is getting reported though.

[adambr2]

16 minutes ago, patrickgpe said:

he is not even in the giants top 30. lets not make this kid to be something he isn't. 

He is #25 on the Giants.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

I think the chances of Tristan Peters having any sort of decent major league career are maybe 15-20%. That said, the Brewers don't make this deal unless they are confident in Trevor Rosenthal pitching meaningful bullpen innings for this team down the stretch and in the playoffs this season. This is certainly an odd move on paper, but with the way this team has managed to pull high-end relief seemingly out of nowhere, I'll give them the benefit of the doubt right now.

[Playing Catch]

Yep. This move was so odd that I wonder if Rosenthal is looking better than we realize. You have to take it with a grain of salt, but Kapler said at the time of the signing that "the stuff never left. It's electric stuff," or something to that effect, and they gave him a pretty good contract for a guy that hasn't pitched in a looong time and had a strained hamstring at the time of the signing.

[Brewin]

Also, I believe the $4.5 Million everybody is citing is heavily incentive based. It's not like he get paid that if he doesn't pitch for the Brewers

[stalton]

Will we ever know what his actual contract is?

[patrickgpe]

2 hours ago, adambr2 said:

He is #25 on the Giants.

i see that now. i think i must have looked before it was updated yesterday. 

 

[Never Outhustled]

2 hours ago, Ron Robinsons Beard said:

I think the chances of Tristan Peters having any sort of decent major league career are maybe 15-20%. That said, the Brewers don't make this deal unless they are confident in Trevor Rosenthal pitching meaningful bullpen innings for this team down the stretch and in the playoffs this season. This is certainly an odd move on paper, but with the way this team has managed to pull high-end relief seemingly out of nowhere, I'll give them the benefit of the doubt right now.

The Brewers were also confident in the wonder scrub lefty they got for Garret Cooper, and posters were convinced we were too deep for Cooper to ever get time here.  How'd that work out? This deal is even dumber than that deal. 

[BallFour]

If Garret Cooper is "the one who got away" in 7 years, you know you are a fan of a team that has a very good front office.