Brewers sign Blake Perkins

[brewmann04]

I agree if your going young just tell the fans. I don't understand what the Brewers are doing at this point. The fans have  to be concerned which way they are headed. Fans should hold off on buying their tickets at this point.

[Redd Vencher]

2 hours ago, JosephC said:

Those who assume that Perkins is depth behind guys like Frelick might have a big surprise coming in March.

This move scream warm body to keep the top prospects in the minors through May in order to play the Super Two game.

If they feel Frelick and/or Wiemer can win ROTY, they need to be on the OD roster to be eligible for the comp pick for doing so. 

[BlightyBrew]

I know the offseason has just started and I know the Brewers might make some more moves to improve the roster so before anybody jumps down my throat, I acknowledge that.  I doubt it but I acknowledge it.

But if Perkins and Singleton are on the OD roster and they make no moves to actually improve the roster, then this FRANCHISE is pathetic.  The OWNERSHIP group is pathetic.  And I am pathetic for following them.

 

 

[True Blue Brew Crew]

4 hours ago, BlightyBrew said:

I know the offseason has just started and I know the Brewers might make some more moves to improve the roster so before anybody jumps down my throat, I acknowledge that.  I doubt it but I acknowledge it.

But if Perkins and Singleton are on the OD roster and they make no moves to actually improve the roster, then this FRANCHISE is pathetic.  The OWNERSHIP group is pathetic.  And I am pathetic for following them.

 

 

If guys like Perkins and Singleton are on the roster to manipulate service time for their prospects after trading Renfroe to save money and clear the way, then they are punting on yet another season of Burnes and Woodruff. At some point you have to line up your talent. And the Brewers have done a terrible job with it during these years of unprecedented pitching talent. It better not happen but it's definitely a reasonable fear. 

[SF70]

8 minutes ago, True Blue Brew Crew said:

If guys like Perkins and Singleton are on the roster to manipulate service time for their prospects after trading Renfroe to save money and clear the way, then they are punting on yet another season of Burnes and Woodruff. At some point you have to line up your talent. And the Brewers have done a terrible job with it during these years of unprecedented pitching talent. It better not happen but it's definitely a reasonable fear. 

Lining-up the talent to match Burnes/Woodruff was never going to happen. It takes time to draft and develop. They had Zero positional prospect talent post-Yelich trade. And once Yelich regressed and Cain dove off a cliff they couldn’t do much to help match their pitching.

 

[True Blue Brew Crew]

??? It literally could happen right now if they choose to do so. They also could have been more aggressive adding bats in either of the PAST 2 seasons.

[SF70]

23 minutes ago, True Blue Brew Crew said:

??? It literally could happen right now if they choose to do so. They also could have been more aggressive adding bats in either of the PAST 2 seasons.

They like their position prospects and after watching them and following them, I certainly can see why. To add an impactful controlled bat takes 3 top prospects +, and thankfully the team didn’t go that route. 

It’s taken the team 7 years to build-up the farm system positionally and they aren’t going to trade-off what they have for 1 impact bat that improves their WS odds by 1.5%..

 

[MrTPlush]

Not going to lie…this is a weird move. He has no MLB experience. Not like he has some decent experience that may help us in the case of an injury versus throwing Frelick into the mix for two weeks off the bench or something like that.

I mean I ain’t going to lose sleep over it, but a bit interesting.

[JohnBriggs12]

14 hours ago, Joseph Zarr said:

A friend of our family is in the Yankees personnel department and has advanced fairly close to a voice in Cashman's ear. He said Perkins has made noticeable improvements in the patience of his approach this past season. I would offer his lefty stroke reminds me quite a bit of Garrett Mitchell.

Anyhow, I know it's not cool to not complain but I'm excited to watch his growth in Nashville (and perhaps Milwaukee) in 2023. Fun signing.

But they have the original Garrett Mitchell who's younger than Perkins and Mitchell's actually hit in the minors.  Why would they need a poor man's Garrett Mitchell?  

[Devinep]

34 minutes ago, JohnBriggs12 said:

But they have the original Garrett Mitchell who's younger than Perkins and Mitchell's actually hit in the minors.  Why would they need a poor man's Garrett Mitchell?  

For AAA depth since Mitchell will probably be on the opening day roster

[SF70]

34 minutes ago, JohnBriggs12 said:

But they have the original Garrett Mitchell who's younger than Perkins and Mitchell's actually hit in the minors.  Why would they need a poor man's Garrett Mitchell?  

Optionable depth is always a good thing. If they actually need his roster spot some day they can just DFA him. 

[Jim Goulart]

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[CheeseheadInQC]

Honestly this feels like the type of move that, if it hadn’t come right after the Renfroe trade, would have spurred an update on 40-man openings and a couple posts being surprised they did this with an outfielder rather than a similar late bloomer type infielder.

I’d be more positive about the move if his AAA/AA games split was 70/30 for AAA instead of the other way around. But basically I look at this similar to how I would if Tristen Lutz posted an .825 OPS in AAA this year. I don’t know if I necessarily agree with adding him to the 40-man, but I can understand the late-bloomer hopes involved in doing so.

[brewerralph]

After reading Brewcrew82 I have to say he is right on in his chat. This is Nov. 24th, and we have a long time before next season. I also feel the brewers are going for a different style of ball. If you look at how they drafted recently you would see that. This has been coming for a couple of years.

[UpandIn]

13 hours ago, Redd Vencher said:

If they feel Frelick and/or Wiemer can win ROTY, they need to be on the OD roster to be eligible for the comp pick for doing so. 

Do they have to be on the OD roster though? They just have to be ranked in the top 100(so no chance for Turang...which makes it REALLY stupid IMO) and that's it...I think. 

 

[UpandIn]

1 minute ago, brewerralph said:

After reading Brewcrew82 I have to say he is right on in his chat. This is Nov. 24th, and we have a long time before next season. I also feel the brewers are going for a different style of ball. If you look at how they drafted recently you would see that. This has been coming for a couple of years.

I don't disagree with what Brewcrew82 has said in this thread...but I'm also not sure how Perkins shows they're going for a different style of ball? He's a good athlete, walks a lot but strikes out and his hit tool is clearly his biggest hole in his game. He's a ~.245-250 hitter at the higher levels. 

We've clearly trying to get guys who can manufacture runs, use their speed, they make contact more.

What I do like about him is that he crushes lefties. Which...as of now, we BADLY need. 

[UpandIn]

1 hour ago, JohnBriggs12 said:

But they have the original Garrett Mitchell who's younger than Perkins and Mitchell's actually hit in the minors.  Why would they need a poor man's Garrett Mitchell?  

Perkins crushes Left Handed hitters whereas Mitchell doesn't. 

So he could slide into a platoon role IF he has a good ST'ing and they want to start the year with a couple of these OFers in AAA. 

 

2022- .310/.406/.483
2021- .298/.412/.478

He's hit righties very poorly. So he fits with Frelick/Mitchell/Yelich...maybe buys them some time. 

Or maybe he's off the roster by January and they make a bunch of other moves. I don't know, at the moment, seems like a fine deal. 

[SeaBass]

16 hours ago, JosephC said:

warm body to keep the top prospects in the minors through May in order to play the Super Two game.

Yes, this. I'm seeing far too many assumptions across many topics that Frelick and co. are going to be day 1 members of the opening day roster. It's been pretty rare that the Brewers have brought guys up ahead of time and I feel like the times they have were times they simply couldn't afford not to.

I think Hader's call up was right on the fringe and the club ended up being a day or two early on him. I believe Hiura was called up early as an injury replacement, then was sent back down after a few weeks with the team and I think we all remember how unpopular of a decision that was.

Anyway I really do think they'll play the waiting game again with Frelick and perhaps others. Doesn't mean there won't be a circumstance where they eventually get called up for a trial run though.

[Redd Vencher]

2 hours ago, UpandIn said:

Do they have to be on the OD roster though? They just have to be ranked in the top 100(so no chance for Turang...which makes it REALLY stupid IMO) and that's it...I think. 

 

Not necessarily OD, but they have to accrue a full service year to be eligible for the draft pick, which might as well be OD.

[Harold Hutchison]

4 hours ago, UpandIn said:

I don't disagree with what Brewcrew82 has said in this thread...but I'm also not sure how Perkins shows they're going for a different style of ball? He's a good athlete, walks a lot but strikes out and his hit tool is clearly his biggest hole in his game. He's a ~.245-250 hitter at the higher levels. 

We've clearly trying to get guys who can manufacture runs, use their speed, they make contact more.

What I do like about him is that he crushes lefties. Which...as of now, we BADLY need. 

Yeah, could be that RH platoon option for Felick/Mitchell and putting Taylor as starting RF, maybe he and Ruiz compete for 4th OF. Yelich as full-time DH in that scenario.

If Weimer/Churio force the issue, he's depth at AAA.

[Joseph Zarr]

10 hours ago, JohnBriggs12 said:

But they have the original Garrett Mitchell who's younger than Perkins and Mitchell's actually hit in the minors.  Why would they need a poor man's Garrett Mitchell?  

Purely depth would be my best guess. I don't have any contacts in the Brewers personnel dept or FO. BUT, from a strictly roster building perspective, I would opine it makes some sense.

I obviously would have rather the 40-Man spot been used to protect Cam Devanney from the Rule 5 - I continue to find him vastly underrated and my personal opinion is he is already a really good baseball player with underestimated upside. BUT, the Brewers may view the bevy of OF talent, especially with a Jackson Chourio in the wings, as a place to trade from as they make more roster decisions down the line. Having a switch-hitting, improving and possibly ascending (emphasis on possibly) former high round talent is understandable. It could also strictly be they valued him as a priority Minor League FA for that AAAA depth as other 2021/22 ML FA's depart for other clubs. Hard to tell and I don't imagine they'll speak much to this acquisition and we won't know what transpires until if and when Perkins makes it into the ML season with the Brewers organization. Using the 40-man spot as a bit of enhancement to get the signing, however, should tell you they value the signing more so than other ML FA pick-ups - at least at this juncture.

[jay87shot]

Perkins is just AAA depth, just because he sign a mlb deal doesn't mean he will make the roster. It just means we will have to use one of his options out of camp. This guy is Jonathan Davis 2.0, maybe a little power developing.

The Jonathan Singleton to the 40 man is still confusing me however.

[UpandIn]

10 hours ago, Redd Vencher said:

Not necessarily OD, but they have to accrue a full service year to be eligible for the draft pick, which might as well be OD.

Is that what they settled on? That makes more sense as Khris Bryant in particular was the type of situation they were attempting to remedy...making a player like that a FA a year earlier, but I've found contradictory statements.  

I'd nix the top 100 ranking and keep the full season credit. It really is nonsense that Brice Turang cannot net the Brewers a comp pick based on such an arbitrary set of rankings...and one that he's appeared on before. At least as of now. He may make one of the...three lists they go off. MLB, BA and...ESPN. That's an absolute joke. We may be subjected to the whims of Keith Law when determining who gets an extra draft pick and another...million plus in the bonus pool. Awesome. A guy who's so humble and willing to admit he's wrong...

 

They also lose that year no matter what...So if you DID wait to bring Wiemer up(for example as he's one of the two players who'll be on top 100 lists that have any shot of getting called up next year) you could wait until June, he could have a Ryan Braun like rookie year and you both lose time AND you don't get a comp pick. That's kinda stupid. Give him the year of service time, but leaving Wiemer down in AAA isn't necessarily manipulating service time. Leaving Frelick down would be. 

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SERVICE TIME

A full year of major league service will be credited to players who finish first or second in Rookie of the Year voting in each league by the Baseball Writers’ Association of America, as long as they are among the top 100 prospects by two or more of Baseball America, ESPN.com or MLB.com and did not spend the full season on the big league roster. The top prospects who finish top three in Rookie of the Year or top five in Cy Young or MVP earn teams additional draft picks. The union has the abliity to eliminate this provision during the agreement.

PROSPECT PROMOTION INCENTIVE

A team is eligible for Prospect Promotion Incentive (PPI) draft picks if a rookie-eligible player with 60 days or fewer of major league service who is included on a preseason top 100 prospect list by two or more of Baseball America, ESPN.com or MLB.com is promoted and finishes high in award voting in any year before he is eligible for arbitration. The team would get an amateur draft pick for a Rookie of the Year or a top three in MVP or Cy Young, and an international selection if second or third in Rookie of the Year, or fourth or fifth in Cy Young. A team can gain at most one PPI pick in the amateur draft and three total PPI picks for any individual prospect in his career.

 

So if I'm reading this right, both Burnes and Woodruff would have qualified for a PPI pick...but as you can get just the one, we'd have gotten one for Burnes while just missing out in 2020 and this past year.

As an aside, it's nice watching two Cards cast offs finish 1st and 5th in Cy Young voting for different teams. 

[UpandIn]

5 hours ago, jay87shot said:

Perkins is just AAA depth, just because he sign a mlb deal doesn't mean he will make the roster. It just means we will have to use one of his options out of camp. This guy is Jonathan Davis 2.0, maybe a little power developing.

The Jonathan Singleton to the 40 man is still confusing me however.

People keep stating this unequivocally. He may not be. He's on the 40 man roster. He hits righties. He's going to be in big league camp. It's hardly a stretch to see him breaking camp with the ML team...particularly as it would not look like Frelick, Yelich and Mitchell are in line for a LOT of playing time. 

Taylor is likely a lock to make it and then it'll come down to how ready they think Wiemer is and how this kid does in Spring Training, what they may do with a guy like Ruiz and who, if anyone else they acquire to play the OF. 

But at the moment, we're looking VERY weak vs righties and that just happens to be where he has excelled at the last two years. 

 

This was a signing that cost almost nothing. It won't be his fault if we lose Cam Devanney in the Rule5, they already made that call. He could be on another team by April, the 26 man or AAA. 

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Yeah, could be that RH platoon option for Felick/Mitchell and putting Taylor as starting RF, maybe he and Ruiz compete for 4th OF. Yelich as full-time DH in that scenario.

If Weimer/Churio force the issue, he's depth at AAA.

 

I sincerely doubt Chourio is going to force the issue in 2023. I'll be happy if he spends most the year in AA and he's healthy. He's an absolute stud...for a 18 year old kid who played at HiA this year, but it's premature to start talking about a place on the roster for him at this point. 

Wiemer is obviously a reasonable candidate. Wouldn't shock me to see him put up a 5 WAR season playing elite RF, stealing bases and if he gets hot, even putting up a .270/.350/.500 line. I could also see him being Jared Kelenic.

I don't care if a guy strikes out 30% of the time if he's making loud contact and taking pitches...but Wiemer is also a guy who's up and down, has only 40 games at AAA. But of course, he could force the issue and take that RF spot and make the Brewers look brilliant. 

[Robocaller]

On 11/23/2022 at 6:22 PM, Lathund said:

The very fact that he signed on a major league deal means there was significant interest (EDIT: And noone but you has said there was necessarily significant interest in a major league contract specifically. Just enough interest to warrant a major league deal), or they wouldn't have offered a major league deal, That's always been the case in the past when minor league FAs without MLB experience sign these deals. 

I have no idea what his chances are, since before today I had not heard of him and all I have to go on is basically his bbref/Fangraphs pages and the info in this thread. But apparently you, from looking at the very most surface levels of stats, can with confidence declare that front offices are lead by idiots and that he will never amount to anything. There is more to scouting than just looking at a triple slash line you know. He increased his power output by a lot this year, you automatically suggest it's a fluke, but teams will have both much better data, as well as having watched him so they'll have a much better idea if it looks like it's real or a fluke. Might also be worth mentioning that Perkins' 117 wRC+ is better than what Tyrone Taylor ever produced in AAA, at the same age. Just to take the first example that came to mind of someone with mediocre minor league numbers in his mid 20s who turned into a solid MLB player. 

Again, I don't know the first thing about the guy or how good he can be. I'm just saying that you have absolutely no basis for making definitive statements that he'll never be a major leaguer barring a miracle. 

That's ludicrous, unless you took me literally regarding my use of "miracle."  I don't think divine intervention is required, but it would need to be something nearly as rare.