2023 Packers draft discussion

[JosephC]

McGinn's coverage has historically tended to be very good, as he is very well connected with NFL front office people and generally doesn't inject very much of his own opinion when it comes to evaluating prospects.  According to him, OL and WR seem like the really weak groups this year, with TE and CB being the strongest.

 

[PeaveyFury]

Final draft day thoughts:

Seems like a night where a lot can happen. There's a lot of uncertainty overall, and with the board fairly even from 20-ish through 60-ish, I think all bets may be off tonight and tomorrow.

My personal order of preference at #13, factoring in the positions I'd think the Packers would look for there and the type of guy they generally like:

JSN

Myles Murphy

LVN

This is assuming Paris Johnson and Tyree Wilson are gone, otherwise I'd expect the Packers to run the card up for either of them. Last year, Quay Walker's name surfaced late as a possible option for Green Bay which was obviously correct and based on SOMETHING. Feels like I've seen Murphy's name linked to them in places over the past couple of days, so I do wonder if he's their guy, especially if JSN is gone as he may be.

Otherwise, I could easily see them trading back a touch, especially if JSN is gone and their edge rushers are rated similarly and they have multiple options on the board when they hit the clock. Could equally see them moving back into the back-end of round 1 if they want to grab someone who falls or if they feel the fifth year option is of value for a WR or TE (cough.... Washington) there.

 

[homer]

Everyone and their mother has JSN to GB which means @LouisEly will be correct and it will be Darnell Washington.

 

Speaking of....any chance you are going to mock pick #42?

[homer]

Then again there's this:

"Nobody knows anything"

- Aaron Nagler

[MrTPlush]

So much mystery around the QBs, so the Top 10 is going to be really interesting. Levis seemingly could go as high as #4 or some think he could fall out of the first round entirely...kind of wild. 

If the Texans don't draft a QB (namely Stroud) it is probably incredibly unlikely they take JSN in front of us. So, if he is truly #1 on the draft board, then that probably means he falls into our lap to pick. I doubt a team trades up to get him. 

I don't want to jump on the JSN bandwagon, but I think they draft someone to help Jordan Love. A QBs development, especially early on needs guys around him. He needs an O-Line and he needs weapons to throw to. I am not a huge JSN fan, but he is the consensus top WR.

We could probably use a defensive guy with that pick...but defense isn't going to matter if Jordan Love fails because we don't put an offense around him to succeed with.

[PeaveyFury]

On 4/25/2023 at 7:28 AM, homer said:

As is my custom, I want GB to trade down from 13 and accumulate picks. Some goober (cough McCarthy cough) really wants Bijan Robinson. I can feel it.

Rumor has it that the Cowboys are all-in on Kincaid, and if he's there at 26 he's there guy. What better way could you guarantee getting your guy than by moving up to #13 to take him? 26, 58 and 90 seem like a fair return to do so!

[Brewin]

Draft day prediction for me

JSN @ #13

Trade one of the #2's plus a 6th to get back into the end of R1 and take Branch

Use the other R2 pick on the best TE available

 

[PeaveyFury]

8 minutes ago, Brewin said:

Draft day prediction for me

JSN @ #13

Trade one of the #2's plus a 6th to get back into the end of R1 and take Branch

Use the other R2 pick on the best TE available

 

Probably have to give up the 3rd to get back in the first, even from #42.

[brewcrewdue80]

24 minutes ago, PeaveyFury said:

Rumor has it that the Cowboys are all-in on Kincaid, and if he's there at 26 he's there guy. What better way could you guarantee getting your guy than by moving up to #13 to take him? 26, 58 and 90 seem like a fair return to do so!

Has Gutekunst traded down once in a live draft? Don't think he knows how to make it happen. Savage, Love, Watson only trading up. He's definitely trading up tonight. It'll either be in to top 10, or the 20s. I'm hoping it's the 20s version because the potential cost moving inside the top 10 would leave the team with their 6&7ths and 2? Picks above 6th rd. 

I still can't see why they would use the 1st on JSN after drafting Watson, but then again he failed to supply Rodgers with top WRs so now he'll feed Love the top WRs and ignore the more glaring need for a DE and TE or OL protection. I just think they could draft a WR later having Watson as a #1 Doubs #2. Slot guys as JSN is talked about as, are the type who fall in to 2nd-5th rds. 

Went over to WalterFootball. Lucas Van Ness is in the draft after redshirt sophomore year. Has the measurables while being a year younger has the sound of a 1st rd pick you extend and have for the prime age seasons.

Myles Murphy also sounds like the duo fit pass rusher/ run defense they need badly.

We're going to be a team giving 4-6secs for QBs to tear apart the defense again if we don't get help with pass rush.

 

[PeaveyFury]

11 minutes ago, brewcrewdue80 said:

Has Gutekunst traded down once in a live draft?

 

Without looking for other examples and off the top of my head, the 2018 trade-down to get NO's 2019 first immediately came to mind. Traded back up for Jaire. One of the best examples of draft maneuvering that I can recall in recent-ish Packer draft history.

[brewcrewdue80]

4 minutes ago, PeaveyFury said:

Probably have to give up the 3rd to get back in the first, even from #42.

It's either the 3rd or other 2nd.  It'd be every pick after the 3rd rd and a future 5th rd pick just to get in to the 30 selection.

[PeaveyFury]

6 minutes ago, brewcrewdue80 said:

It's either the 3rd or other 2nd.  It'd be every pick after the 3rd rd and a future 5th rd pick just to get in to the 30 selection.

Based on the now generally accepted Rich Hill chart, 42 and 78 get them to #30, which seems plausible and accomplishes the goal of getting back in. If they give up both seconds, it would get them to 20, which seems higher than they'd need/want to go unless something bizarre happens with a guy falling. Tonight, though, that does seem possible I suppose.

I'd only support moving back up that far if they choose to initially pass on JSN for example and he falls there. Otherwise, I'd rather have the two picks in the 2nd considering this draft class.

[brewcrewdue80]

21 minutes ago, PeaveyFury said:

Without looking for other examples and off the top of my head, the 2018 trade-down to get NO's 2019 first immediately came to mind. Traded back up for Jaire. One of the best examples of draft maneuvering that I can recall in recent-ish Packer draft history.

Thanks really forgot that move. Really just forgot he'd been around that long.

[Matt Breen]

Packers can go so many ways. Having two picks in the upper half of round #2 is so sweet. I think it all comes down to who falls to them. I'd be thrilled with a bunch of different players. 

I think that with our 1st round pick we can expect someone to step in and contribute significantly from day one. JNS, a TE, an OL, Branch, an Edge rusher. 

I could also see the club trade back if the opportunity came up. Trade back 10 spots and get an additional #2 - that sort of thing. They could potentially get someone like Branch or Kincaid or Mayer in the early 20s, and get the extra premium pick.

Or we could trade up - as people have noted. Deal one of our #2s and a 3rd for a low 1st - that sort of thing.

Of course, all those deals are easier said than done as it takes two to tango - but I'd be looking to nab some value if the chance came up.

[OldHeidelberg]

3 hours ago, JosephC said:

McGinn's coverage has historically tended to be very good, as he is very well connected with NFL front office people and generally doesn't inject very much of his own opinion when it comes to evaluating prospects.  According to him, OL and WR seem like the really weak groups this year, with TE and CB being the strongest.

 

As usual I don't really pay attention until draft week but I think OL is thin but good at the top of the draft. I feel like if we draft at #13 we may get the best value there as other needs like TE and Edge can maybe be addressed in the second round or later.  Skoronski sounds a lot like Bulaga. 

I do think if we trade back I wouldn't mind trading into next year draft. I know we already have but we have enough picks this year and next year we will have a year of Love at QB to know where we are and the extra premium picks may payoff better. Maybe Seattle wants Richardson and he falls to #13? Can't wait for tonight, glad we have something to get us over the Bucks so quickly.

[brewcrewdue80]

1 hour ago, reillymcshane said:

Packers can go so many ways. Having two picks in the upper half of round #2 is so sweet. I think it all comes down to who falls to them. I'd be thrilled with a bunch of different players. 

I think that with our 1st round pick we can expect someone to step in and contribute significantly from day one. JNS, a TE, an OL, Branch, an Edge rusher. 

I could also see the club trade back if the opportunity came up. Trade back 10 spots and get an additional #2 - that sort of thing. They could potentially get someone like Branch or Kincaid or Mayer in the early 20s, and get the extra premium pick.

Or we could trade up - as people have noted. Deal one of our #2s and a 3rd for a low 1st - that sort of thing.

Of course, all those deals are easier said than done as it takes two to tango - but I'd be looking to nab some value if the chance came up.

So true on the early 2nds. You go back and see the values from like the top 10-15 picked in 2nd round, they seem to hit more than the majority of values of bottom 10 in 1st round. That overnight plus 1st rd drops very good decisions being made.

[homer]

I am very curious to see how Anthony Richardson pans out. The guy is an absolute freak athletically. This is just silly for a QB:

[Joseph Zarr]

4 hours ago, JosephC said:

McGinn's coverage has historically tended to be very good, as he is very well connected with NFL front office people and generally doesn't inject very much of his own opinion when it comes to evaluating prospects.  According to him, OL and WR seem like the really weak groups this year, with TE and CB being the strongest.

 

I believe alongside TE and CB you would toss in Edge. This is a very good Edge group. Agreed on the OL/WR comments though. The depth is just not there. With WR, it seems like there are many shorter gadget guys but not a lot of perimeter guys that are highly thought of.

[Joseph Zarr]

3 hours ago, PeaveyFury said:

Probably have to give up the 3rd to get back in the first, even from #42.

Even better! 😅

[Fear The Chorizo]

12 minutes ago, homer said:

I am very curious to see how Anthony Richardson pans out. The guy is an absolute freak athletically. This is just silly for a QB:

I think the question about that is if Richardson actually profiles as a QB at the NFL level or if a team tells him to get back into the WR room, which was his initial position coming into Florida - because his physical numbers are elite for a wideout, too.  Big questions on his short and intermediate passing accuracy, which is something an NFL quarterback needs to be great at in order to be consistently successful.  

[homer]

43 minutes ago, Fear The Chorizo said:

I think the question about that is if Richardson actually profiles as a QB at the NFL level or if a team tells him to get back into the WR room, which was his initial position coming into Florida - because his physical numbers are elite for a wideout, too.  Big questions on his short and intermediate passing accuracy, which is something an NFL quarterback needs to be great at in order to be consistently successful.  

Yeah he may (and probably should) be on the field even if he isn't the QB. 

[LouisEly]

5 hours ago, homer said:

Everyone and their mother has JSN to GB which means @LouisEly will be correct and it will be Darnell Washington.

 

Speaking of....any chance you are going to mock pick #42?

Already did, but those are after pick #45.  I haven't changed them.

[Joseph Zarr]

 

[Joseph Zarr]

@LouisEly^^ You salty dog, You! Daniel Jeremiah also has us taking TE Dalton Kincaid and he typically seems to have some idea of what the Packers might do.

 

[Joseph Zarr]

We just might be in for one of the wildest first rounds in quite some time (or ever, er merrr gerd). OR, this is all hogwash and it is cookie cutter. It's pandemonium!