Packers 2023 Discussion Thread

[adambr2]

Just now, MrTPlush said:

Bringing him back was the correct and only answer. Might as well run it back another year. I will probably die (I am not that old) before we see a guy win the MVP two years in a row with deep playoff runs. 

The picks would have been better, but lets be honest, the future hinges on Love. If he isn't that good not much else is going to matter a ton.

I don't agree that it was the only and.  correct answer. I think there was a pretty good amount of doubt on what their ability to "run it back" would be when it became known that we wouldn't be able to run it back with Davante Adams.

[Samurai Bucky]

3 minutes ago, MrTPlush said:

Bringing him back was the correct and only answer. Might as well run it back another year. I will probably die (I am not that old) before we see a guy win the MVP two years in a row with deep playoff runs. 

The picks would have been better, but lets be honest, the future hinges on Love. If he isn't that good not much else is going to matter a ton.

I wouldn't be disappointed if they got a 1st, a 3rd, and a bunch of cap relief.  Then they can use that cap space to get some quality free agents.

[GAME05]

It had been noted that there was a big meeting between Rodgers and the Packers right after the regular season ended. So it's surprising Rodgers would have been taken aback that the team was exploring trades. What the heck else would they have talked about at the initial meeting?

Plus it only makes sense the Jets would want old Packer guys regardless of Rodgers just for the sake of having guys Hackett is comfortable coaching and fit his scheme.

[adambr2]

1 hour ago, brewcrewdue80 said:

GB should not give in til they get the Jets 13th pick. The swap idea 15-13 isn't working. Jets don't want to not not have a 1st rd pick this season. Simply tell them swapping your 13+ 3rd with 2024 conditional 3rd, for our 45th in 2023.  They'll have 43&45 more than enough to trade back in to 1st round.

I'd make the conditional as 3rd with 2nd if win division. 1st if played in AFC Championship game. 

Send them some money I guess if that's a thing. I've heard mentions during ESPN Milw radio of that, but I didn't think that was a thing could do.

Insisting on #13 is overplaying your hand. Great if they can get it, but digging your heels in should come with some caution. 

There is absolutely a possible reality here in which the Packers completely overplay their hand and blow this. 

The Jets don't have many pivots, but they have some. They could sign Lamar Jackson to an offer sheet and see what happens. If you're going to have to pay a high price anyway, why not?

They could trade up from #13 and land one of the big 4 QBs in the draft. They could ask the 49ers about the availability of Purdy or Lance. 

If they're not even making an effort to find a reasonable middle ground-- if they're completely inflexible and saying "1st plus or pound sand", they absolutely could be left out in the cold. 

[PeaveyFury]

14 minutes ago, adambr2 said:

Insisting on #13 is overplaying your hand. Great if they can get it, but digging your heels in should come with some caution. 

There is absolutely a possible reality here in which the Packers completely overplay their hand and blow this. 

The Jets don't have many pivots, but they have some. They could sign Lamar Jackson to an offer sheet and see what happens. If you're going to have to pay a high price anyway, why not?

They could trade up from #13 and land one of the big 4 QBs in the draft. They could ask the 49ers about the availability of Purdy or Lance. 

If they're not even making an effort to find a reasonable middle ground-- if they're completely inflexible and saying "1st plus or pound sand", they absolutely could be left out in the cold. 

I really don't know how the Packers can be left in the cold, as I legit don't think they care if he just retires. It's really the Jets who have themselves hanging out there right now. Lamar is a pipe dream, so Rodgers is their only legitimate option, and if the deal falls through, their fanbase will lose their minds. The Packers are in a situation where if things stall out, I wouldn't be stunned to hear someone like Shefter reporting in the next week that the Colts have 'put feelers out' to Green Bay to inquire about Rodgers....

[Matt Breen]

Packers supposedly holding out for a #1 pick from the Jets (and then some).

https://www.profootballrumors.com/2023/03/packers-still-eyeing-first-round-pick-from-jets-for-aaron-rodgers

[adambr2]

52 minutes ago, PeaveyFury said:

I really don't know how the Packers can be left in the cold, as I legit don't think they care if he just retires. It's really the Jets who have themselves hanging out there right now. Lamar is a pipe dream, so Rodgers is their only legitimate option, and if the deal falls through, their fanbase will lose their minds. The Packers are in a situation where if things stall out, I wouldn't be stunned to hear someone like Shefter reporting in the next week that the Colts have 'put feelers out' to Green Bay to inquire about Rodgers....

I don't think he'd retire though, that's the thing. I think he'd much rather make things messy for us than go out on the Packers' terms. 

And I don't get why Lamar is a pipe dream. Seems like if they are willing to give up two 1sts and a Watson-like contract they can have him, no one else has really bitten. 

[MrTPlush]

Mark Murphy's douchey comments days ago about the Rodgers situation make it seem like they honestly might ride this out pretty long to get something decent in return...maybe even to the point of forcing him to retire or come be Love's back-up.

I doubt the later will happen...but I wouldn't put it at zero percent. End of the day I don't think they are willing to burn the bridge like what happened with Favre and deal with that. Rodger's is weird, but he doesn't steal money from the state, so he may be someone who comes back often post retirement etc.

[LouisEly]

6 hours ago, homer said:

In some ways this is kinda like the UW football coaching change for me. I was sort of sad for Jim Leonhard in that he wasn't able to get a shot to be a head coach but I am excited about the new guy. Just like I am sad to see Rodgers go but I am excited to see what Jordan Love can do. Not totally apples to apples I know....more like fruit to fruit.

More like UW basketball - one disappointing season/three week stretch/tournament and half the fan base wants to move on to the next guy.

[brewcrewdue80]

2 hours ago, reillymcshane said:

Packers supposedly holding out for a #1 pick from the Jets (and then some).

https://www.profootballrumors.com/2023/03/packers-still-eyeing-first-round-pick-from-jets-for-aaron-rodgers

ADamBR2.  This is sorta why I came up with my idea. The draft trade value nets GB about the 26th pick value in the 1st rd by swapping. Jets keep enough value the 2 seconds is enough value to be the 18th pick in a trade.  Move up to about 23-25 and they could then take that teams 3rd rd. pick for equal value. Or they just keep 2 top half 2nd rd picks. The trade value between 13 and settling for 43 is a 1st rd value of 780 or #22.  That's a big gap when settling for the 2nd vs getting their 1st.  You take a 1st next season it stands within reason Rodgers carries them to a 26+ selection. At 26  combined with you have to assume this year's 2nd rd the value stands between #14 and #15 combined. GBs top 2 pick compensation then is below the value of getting this year's 13.  It's important to get more than 2nd rd value for Rodgers when your taking on the large hit moneywise.

[wallus]

4 hours ago, adambr2 said:

Insisting on #13 is overplaying your hand. Great if they can get it, but digging your heels in should come with some caution. 

There is absolutely a possible reality here in which the Packers completely overplay their hand and blow this. 

The Jets don't have many pivots, but they have some. They could sign Lamar Jackson to an offer sheet and see what happens. If you're going to have to pay a high price anyway, why not?

If Rodgers hears this, 100% he is not going and will just retire or find another team. Then Baltimore matches on Jackson and you are probably stuck with Zach Wilson as your quarterback and the NY media is going to destroy you.

Sure you could trade up in the draft for one of the rookies but you are going to pay dearly.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

He's not going to play for the Packers or pretend to play for the Packers to exact some sweet revenge plot. 

[adambr2]

56 minutes ago, wallus said:

If Rodgers hears this, 100% he is not going and will just retire or find another team. Then Baltimore matches on Jackson and you are probably stuck with Zach Wilson as your quarterback and the NY media is going to destroy you.

Sure you could trade up in the draft for one of the rookies but you are going to pay dearly.

What makes you think Baltimore would match? They weren't willing to pay up before but now with two 1sts coming their way if they don't pay up they're going to pay up?

[wallus]

10 minutes ago, adambr2 said:

What makes you think Baltimore would match? They weren't willing to pay up before but now with two 1sts coming their way if they don't pay up they're going to pay up?

Because you could keep him a year or two and then trade him for more than 2 first round picks? Or you could trade him to a team that doesn't get one of the good quarterbacks in the draft.

Deshaun Watson, a worse quarterback, got more than 3 first round picks.

Also, if the Jets thought Lamar was a good option, why do so much to get AR? It would have been malpractice to not have SOME idea what the Packers wanted before going to California to meet with AR.

No one knows how long Lamar will go before signing with another team or back with Baltimore anyways.

[adambr2]

I think we all know at this point that the Browns went crazy and Deshaun Watson was the exception. 

[KeithStone53151]

The more I read up on this, what a weird situation this is from a leverage standpoint. Packers fans seen to think the Packers have all the leverage because Rodgers announced his intent and the jets have been signing all his buddies. Jets fans think the jets have the leverage because there are no other teams in on Rodgers. Its kinda tough to know. At the moment it seems to me the Packers have more leverage, but if they want 2023 draft comp they need to finalize a deal sooner than later. And of course it gets weird if Rodgers shows up to Packers off season and pre season stuff if this really drags out. I do wonder how far apart the sides really are. It seems pretty stupid if the jets are offering a second and the Packers want a first to not meet in the middle with the Packers getting the first but sending something else back. Who knows if those comp reports are accurate. The best case for both teams is a quick/fair resolution.

[KeithStone53151]

One additional note, Adams decided last year that he wanted to go to the raiders and that deal seemed to come together pretty quick. Small sample, but I'm inclined to believe if one side is being unreasonable...it's the jets. Their front office isn't exactly a beacon of success.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

Adams definitely would have had other suitors though so there was incentive for the Raiders to move fast.  

Robert Tonyan to the Bears. I know he was something of a fan favorite, but oof I did not enjoy watching that guy. He looked slower than every OL on the field.

[adambr2]

11 hours ago, OldSchoolSnapper said:

He's not going to play for the Packers or pretend to play for the Packers to exact some sweet revenge plot. 

He's not going to retire and willingly walk away from $60M or whatever it is on our terms just because we couldn't agree to trade compensation. 

[PeaveyFury]

4 minutes ago, adambr2 said:

He's not going to retire and willingly walk away from $60M or whatever it is on our terms just because we couldn't agree to trade compensation. 

And he’s not going to ride the pine all season as Love’s backup, so the Packers have time on their side.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

10 minutes ago, adambr2 said:

He's not going to retire and willingly walk away from $60M or whatever it is on our terms just because we couldn't agree to trade compensation. 

Neither is going to happen, but that is more likely (as in a non-zero chance) than what you suggested. There's no scenario in which that guy is wearing a Packers jersey at camp. 

The Packers already have some sunk cost in Rodgers for 2023. They already have a QB. Honestly, I do think it's possible they just tell him and the Jets to pound sand and eat it. Like a 2% chance, but there have been some fairly comparable scenarios in sports recently.

[adambr2]

This seems pretty spot on to me

[OldSchoolSnapper]

I wouldn't care at all if they just shipped him out for a 4th, but I also would love the entertainment value of him showing up to GB in a Cesna in August.

[Fear The Chorizo]

18 hours ago, adambr2 said:

I don't agree that it was the only and.  correct answer. I think there was a pretty good amount of doubt on what their ability to "run it back" would be when it became known that we wouldn't be able to run it back with Davante Adams.

At the time it became apparent that Rodgers was back in for the 2022 season, the Packers also had a more lucrative offer on the table for Adams to sign compared to what he got from the Raiders - so the amount of doubt with being able to "run it back" without Adams didn't occur until after any decision process on whether or not to try and trade the current league MVP took place.  

It would've been incredibly dumb to trade Rodgers last season once he indicated he wanted to play and return to Green Bay - frankly this all played out pretty well for the Packers longterm because it would've been incredibly bad for Adams to have signed that deal instead of wanting out and asking for a trade to a specific team. 

[KeithStone53151]

1 hour ago, PeaveyFury said:

And he’s not going to ride the pine all season as Love’s backup, so the Packers have time on their side.

Why not? 60 million to not put your body at risk...