Packers 2023 Discussion Thread

[HarryDoyle]

It's a game of chicken right now. For the Jets, who's going to play quarterback for them if the trade doesn't happen?

[nate82]

16 minutes ago, HarryDoyle said:

It's a game of chicken right now. For the Jets, who's going to play quarterback for them if the trade doesn't happen?

They could trade for Lamar Jackson.  They have enough picks to do it.  If this goes on longer that could become a possibility. 

[adambr2]

Lamar is definitely the one guy who is out there who could really throw a wrench into our plans quickly if the Jets were to seriously pursue him. 

There isn't much else out there, but it's not impossible they could get production from a bridge guy. Look what happened with Geno Smith. 

They could trade up from #13 to draft a guy and sign Bridgewater as a bridge QB.

[brewcrewdue80]

3 hours ago, nate82 said:

They could trade for Lamar Jackson.  They have enough picks to do it.  If this goes on longer that could become a possibility. 

By enough picks you mean future picks? They only have 1 pick each round 1 through 6 and no 7th. The total value doesn't even exceed just the #3 pick in the draft.  

Nice to hear we signed a FA Safety. Amos turned out as a good FA sign. New blood there is needed.

 

[True Blue Brew Crew]

The Jets specifically hired Hackett with the aim of bringing in Rodgers. Don't be like Jets fans and act like it would be so easy to just pivot to Jackson in that system. Gonna tell Hackett, "yeah nevermind" and go out and get a new OC who runs an offense Jackson fits? Yeah, no.

[MrTPlush]

Pretty sure they would have already chased after Jackson if they had any interest.

[LouisEly]

14 hours ago, HarryDoyle said:

It's a game of chicken right now. For the Jets, who's going to play quarterback for them if the trade doesn't happen?

'zactly.  Lamar Jackson will cost 1) a lot more in draft capital, and B) a lot more in guaranteed money than Rodgers.  Yes, Rodgers options are expensive.  Jackson will get a lot more than that in guaranteed money.  And then if he starts stinking like Russell Wilson, they're stuck with him (and his cap allocation) for a long time.

[adambr2]

5 hours ago, True Blue Brew Crew said:

The Jets specifically hired Hackett with the aim of bringing in Rodgers. Don't be like Jets fans and act like it would be so easy to just pivot to Jackson in that system. Gonna tell Hackett, "yeah nevermind" and go out and get a new OC who runs an offense Jackson fits? Yeah, no.

Let's also not insult Nathaniel Hackett by suggesting that he can't run a successful NFL offense with anyone but Aaron Rodgers at QB.

[MrTPlush]

1 hour ago, adambr2 said:

Let's also not insult Nathaniel Hackett by suggesting that he can't run a successful NFL offense with anyone but Aaron Rodgers at QB.

Lets also not ignore the fact the Jets hired Hackett because of Rodgers. If they had a different QB I would doubt they would have gone out to get Hackett. 

[Fear The Chorizo]

2 hours ago, adambr2 said:

Let's also not insult Nathaniel Hackett by suggesting that he can't run a successful NFL offense with anyone but Aaron Rodgers at QB.

He did such a great job with Russell Wilson last season...

[brewcrewdue80]

4 hours ago, LouisEly said:

'zactly.  Lamar Jackson will cost 1) a lot more in draft capital, and B) a lot more in guaranteed money than Rodgers.  Yes, Rodgers options are expensive.  Jackson will get a lot more than that in guaranteed money.  And then if he starts stinking like Russell Wilson, they're stuck with him (and his cap allocation) for a long time.

I'm a bit surprised you would throw out the if he starts stinking like Russell Wilson part.  Jackson is 26.  If he's looking for guaranteed contract, it is going to cost him in years total a contract is given.  6years? 5? I'd have a hard time seeing a team wanting to guarantee beyond 4-5 years to anybody but at 26 Jackson for a productive to MVP QB, seems like one who could get 6years.  At 26, 6 years takes him to age 32. Wilson's poor season just came at age 34.

Are the Jets the team to do this? They probably should as a Franchise. I'm thinking they want Rodgers to come in be good for a year.  Pass on something towards Zach Wilson, like he must have to Love. After all, GB is pushing away Rodgers ready to start Love at QB. Then see where they are at a year later with Rodgers and Wilson. Jets would be forced to consider entering his 4th season then to pick up the 5th year option. It's a tough pill to swallow on your #2 QB selection to commit full moving on option Jackson would be. 

[nate82]

10 hours ago, True Blue Brew Crew said:

The Jets specifically hired Hackett with the aim of bringing in Rodgers. Don't be like Jets fans and act like it would be so easy to just pivot to Jackson in that system. Gonna tell Hackett, "yeah nevermind" and go out and get a new OC who runs an offense Jackson fits? Yeah, no.

I don't believe the Jets specifically hired Hackett with the aim of bringing in Rodgers.  That would just be stupid when there were zero indications that Rodgers would even be available when they hired Hackett.  The Hackett thing is way overblown IMHO. 

Jackson is still an option for the Jets they will have to give up their 1st this year and next year plus other picks.  This is probably why they are hesitant on giving up early draft picks for Rodgers.  Why give up a 1st round pick when there is another option that can be there for longer?  The longer this plays out the less likely the Jets actually make the trade for Rodgers and if they don't make the trade for Rodgers I can see them pivoting to Jackson instead and giving up two first's plus other picks for Jackson. 

[adambr2]

2 hours ago, Fear The Chorizo said:

He did such a great job with Russell Wilson last season...

You think Sean Payton is going to wave a magic wand and make Wilson good again this year? Russ is cooked. 

[Fear The Chorizo]

58 minutes ago, adambr2 said:

You think Sean Payton is going to wave a magic wand and make Wilson good again this year? Russ is cooked. 

Sean Payton has nothing to do with this....but I'll humor you and state that Wilson will have a better 2023 season than last year.

Nathaniel Hackett's calling card at the NFL level is the fact he's Paul Hackett's son.

[GAME05]

Lamar Jackson also turned down 3-years at $44M/year fully guaranteed. Jets better be ready to pony up $46/year if they're going to trade for him, at least.

Meanwhile Rodgers will count $15M against the Jets' cap and they can prorate the remainder over four years.

And maybe the Jets just have a philosophy where they don't want the QB to take up that much of the cap space.

[Sixtolezcano]

4 hours ago, nate82 said:

I don't believe the Jets specifically hired Hackett with the aim of bringing in Rodgers.  That would just be stupid when there were zero indications that Rodgers would even be available when they hired Hackett.  The Hackett thing is way overblown IMHO. 

Jackson is still an option for the Jets they will have to give up their 1st this year and next year plus other picks.  This is probably why they are hesitant on giving up early draft picks for Rodgers.  Why give up a 1st round pick when there is another option that can be there for longer?  The longer this plays out the less likely the Jets actually make the trade for Rodgers and if they don't make the trade for Rodgers I can see them pivoting to Jackson instead and giving up two first's plus other picks for Jackson. 

I believe the only reason they hired Hackett as the OC was to help the Jets acquire Rodgers. Hackett wasn’t a hot commodity after his stint in Denver this past year and I’m sure there weren’t many teams knocking on his door to hire him. He really didn’t have great success previously as an OC with the Bills and Doug Marrone as the HC and EJ Manuel as their QB and Jax with Gus Bradley and Blake Bortels. In fact, both of those teams were much more successful running teams, not really the problem with the Jets offense in 2022. The Packers were really his first successful OC job, where he had an excellent relationship.with Rodgers.

I’m sure the the price to acquire Jackson would be much more than 2 first round picks. IMHO, I would bet it would cost them possibly up to 3 first round picks a couple of second rounders along with other young vet(s) for a former MVP in the absolute prime of his career. He is also one of the best rushing QBs in the NFL, one of the prerequisites of a successful 21st century QB. I would put the Jets odds of seriously pursuing Jackson at around 5%.

We need to have a little patience as it appears that neither the Jets or Packers are in any hurry to get this trade done before the draft.

 

 

[Sixtolezcano]

4 hours ago, adambr2 said:

You think Sean Payton is going to wave a magic wand and make Wilson good again this year? Russ is cooked. 

I would bet he would have much better success with Sean Payton as his HC and his offensive track record with QBs, than he did with Nathaniel. I’m sure the primary reasons the Broncos hired Hackett was his success with Rodgers.

[adambr2]

26 minutes ago, Sixtolezcano said:

I would bet he would have much better success with Sean Payton as his HC and his offensive track record with QBs, than he did with Nathaniel. I’m sure the primary reasons the Broncos hired Hackett was his success with Rodgers.

His track record of having Drew Brees as his starting QB for 15 seasons?

Sean Payton is vastly overrated. The Mike McCarthy comparisons are totally valid. He won't make any noticeable difference with Wilson, and the Broncos will still suck. I said what I said even though many will disagree I'm sure. 

It's possible Wilson will have some modest improvement from 2022 solely on the basis that he couldn't be much worse. Or he might end up benched. Neither would surprise me.

[HarryDoyle]

20 minutes ago, adambr2 said:

His track record of having Drew Brees as his starting QB for 15 seasons?

Sean Payton is vastly overrated. The Mike McCarthy comparisons are totally valid. He won't make any noticeable difference with Wilson, and the Broncos will still suck. I said what I said even though many will disagree I'm sure. 

It's possible Wilson will have some modest improvement from 2022 solely on the basis that he couldn't be much worse. Or he might end up benched. Neither would surprise me.

Agreed on Payton. I can't understand the fawning by the media over this guy. One Super Bowl and three NFCCG appearances with a HOF quarterback of his own. At least McCarthy coached in four of those games.

[Fear The Chorizo]

1 hour ago, adambr2 said:

His track record of having Drew Brees as his starting QB for 15 seasons?

Sean Payton is vastly overrated. The Mike McCarthy comparisons are totally valid. He won't make any noticeable difference with Wilson, and the Broncos will still suck. I said what I said even though many will disagree I'm sure. 

It's possible Wilson will have some modest improvement from 2022 solely on the basis that he couldn't be much worse. Or he might end up benched. Neither would surprise me.

Prior to Brees and the Saints, Payton was the Giants' OC that got Kerry Collins to a Super Bowl, then went to Dallas and was instrumental in them signing/developing Romo.  Also easy to forget that prior to going to the Saints and playing in Payton's scheme, Brees was good but wasn't exactly considered a sure-fire HOF quarterback.

The fact Payton has been around leading productive to potent NFL offenses for the last 20+ seasons gives him plenty more bonafides then Hackett - there's plenty of reasons why Hackett got canned less than 1 season into being a head coach and why Payton succeeded him

[True Blue Brew Crew]

Stunned to see some here digging in on this notion of an easy pivot to Jackson for the Jets. In addition to a skillset not suited for the offense run by the Jets NEW offensive coordinator, who happens to be Rodgers favored offensive coordinator, it also ignores the HIGH likelihood that the Ravens will simply match any offer Jackson signs. So when you toss around the idea that the Jets can just go ahead and give up 2 firsts and sign Jackson, you're not only ignoring fit, but you're also ignoring the fact it would be a high risk low reward gamble that the Ravens wouldn't just match the offer. The Jets would still have no QB, but they now would have completely alienated the QB they actually want in Rodgers.

It's widely reported that the reason there has been so little activity on Jackson is because teams know that the Ravens will almost assuredly keep Jackson at the offer sheet he signs. Poison pills are no longer allowed. The Ravens seem very willing to let some other team do all the contract work for them.

This is moot anyway because the Rodgers to the Jets trade is 99.9% gonna get done.

[Sixtolezcano]

5 hours ago, True Blue Brew Crew said:

Stunned to see some here digging in on this notion of an easy pivot to Jackson for the Jets. In addition to a skillset not suited for the offense run by the Jets NEW offensive coordinator, who happens to be Rodgers favored offensive coordinator, it also ignores the HIGH likelihood that the Ravens will simply match any offer Jackson signs. So when you toss around the idea that the Jets can just go ahead and give up 2 firsts and sign Jackson, you're not only ignoring fit, but you're also ignoring the fact it would be a high risk low reward gamble that the Ravens wouldn't just match the offer. The Jets would still have no QB, but they now would have completely alienated the QB they actually want in Rodgers.

It's widely reported that the reason there has been so little activity on Jackson is because teams know that the Ravens will almost assuredly keep Jackson at the offer sheet he signs. Poison pills are no longer allowed. The Ravens seem very willing to let some other team do all the contract work for them.

This is moot anyway because the Rodgers to the Jets trade is 99.9% gonna get done.

Amen brother. 

[adambr2]

5 hours ago, True Blue Brew Crew said:

Stunned to see some here digging in on this notion of an easy pivot to Jackson for the Jets. In addition to a skillset not suited for the offense run by the Jets NEW offensive coordinator, who happens to be Rodgers favored offensive coordinator, it also ignores the HIGH likelihood that the Ravens will simply match any offer Jackson signs. So when you toss around the idea that the Jets can just go ahead and give up 2 firsts and sign Jackson, you're not only ignoring fit, but you're also ignoring the fact it would be a high risk low reward gamble that the Ravens wouldn't just match the offer. The Jets would still have no QB, but they now would have completely alienated the QB they actually want in Rodgers.

It's widely reported that the reason there has been so little activity on Jackson is because teams know that the Ravens will almost assuredly keep Jackson at the offer sheet he signs. Poison pills are no longer allowed. The Ravens seem very willing to let some other team do all the contract work for them.

This is moot anyway because the Rodgers to the Jets trade is 99.9% gonna get done.

Widely reported by whom? Do you have any good sources for that or are you just making an assumption and running with it or basing it off the personal opinion of one talking head?

I find it illogical that if the Ravens have up to this point refused to pay Lamar Jackson a contract like Deshaun Watson, that now if somebody does, suddenly that is going to make the Ravens willing to. 

Yes, I agree Rodgers to Jets will almost certainly get done at some point, though I doubt a 1st will be involved. 

[homer]

Just so we're all on the same page re: Jackson

https://www.nbcsports.com/boston/patriots/baltimore-ravens-place-non-exclusive-franchise-tag-lamar-jackson

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The non-exclusive tag comes in at just over $32 million for 2023 and gives Jackson the power to negotiate a long-term deal with other teams. The Ravens will have the right to match any offer sheet or receive two first-round draft picks as compensation should Jackson depart.

So essentially any team other than the Ravens that sign Jackson have to give up 2 firsts + sign him to a contract extension that the Ravens won't match....which would be a giant contract. 

[adambr2]

Make no mistake, the really bad extension that Gute signed Rodgers to last offseason is directly affecting both the compensation for Rodgers and the pace of a deal coming together.