Forget AAA, call Tyler Black to the majors right now

[Brewcrew82]

Timing isn't any better with him killing AA and Rowdy out for a month/Winker continuing to underperform. It's not like AAA pitching is much better than AA pitching, either. There are relatively few players capable of doing this. Juan Soto was one. But I think Tyler Black's hit tool belongs in that category.

 

 

[brooks_quichenick]

I'm all for calling up Tyler Black, but he hasn't played any 1B in the minors or college, so he wouldn't be moving Owen Miller off of 1B. Replacing Winker at DH though, absolutely.

[wibadgers23]

He could replace Winker as the DH and easily top his production. Plus, he can be a terror on the base paths. I think I’d to it too but the Brewers won’t, unfortunately.

[Brewcrew82]

2 minutes ago, wibadgers23 said:

He could replace Winker as the DH and easily top his production. Plus, he can be a terror on the base paths. I think I’d to it too but the Brewers won’t, unfortunately.

Yeah, at minimum he'd put up like a .360 OBP, which would be second best on the team after Yelich....

[wiguy94]

17 minutes ago, Brewcrew82 said:

And call up Tyler Black to the majors right now. Timing isn't any better with him killing AA and Rowdy out for a month/Winker continuing to underperform. It's not like AAA pitching is much better than AA pitching, either. There are relatively few players capable of doing this. Juan Soto was one. But I think Tyler Black's hit tool belongs in that category.

 

 

I've wanted the Brewers to do this for a while, but I just don't see it. Have Brewers ever promoted a position player straight from AA to the MLB midseason? Some teams have been doing it (Braves as an example) but it really doesn't seem like our MO. 

[Brewcrew82]

1 minute ago, wiguy94 said:

I've wanted the Brewers to do this for a while, but I just don't see it. Have Brewers ever promoted a position player straight from AA to the MLB midseason? Some teams have been doing it (Braves as an example) but it really doesn't seem like our MO. 

Yeah. That's the thing. Not the Brewers MO at all. But the timing here just seems like it's as good as it's ever been for any of our players.

What's even more bizarre is how the Brewers haven't even promoted him to AAA yet. Makes at least a small part of you wonder if they're considering a direct call-up to the majors. 

[YelichPosse]

3 minutes ago, Brewcrew82 said:

Yeah. That's the thing. Not the Brewers MO at all. But the timing here just seems like it's as good as it's ever been for any of our players.

What's even more bizarre is how the Brewers haven't even promoted him to AAA yet. Makes at least a small part of you wonder if they're considering a direct call-up to the majors. 

All of this. And hopefully that all if this is correct.

I'd love some Tyler Black in this lineup, it would get better for sure with him in it - even during an adjustment process, if he had one.

[StearnsFTW]

I was thinking this very thing over the weekend.

It won't damage the MLB team because Winker.  The only reservation would be damaging Black's development, but give it a couple weeks anyway.  I doubt you'd destroy his confidence in ~~10 games.  The opposite seems much more likely.

 

Having said that, I agree with everyone else that it seems very unlikely that the Brewers would do something like this.

 

[sveumrules]

6 minutes ago, Brewcrew82 said:

Yeah. That's the thing. Not the Brewers MO at all. But the timing here just seems like it's as good as it's ever been for any of our players.

What's even more bizarre is how the Brewers haven't even promoted him to AAA yet. Makes at least a small part of you wonder if they're considering a direct call-up to the majors. 

I think part of the reason he hasn’t even gotten the call to AAA is just the depth of 3B on the Nashville roster.

Urias, Devanney, Toro, Dorrian, Alvarez before opting out. Think Brosseau is still down there too?

Plus there isn’t really an obvious guy at Wisco deserving of the bump up to take his spot.

I’d love it if they cut bait with Winker and gave just about anyone in the system the DH PAs instead, but think they’ll just ride things out to the deadline at this point before shaking things up.

[wiguy94]

Just now, sveumrules said:

I think part of the reason he hasn’t even gotten the call to AAA is just the depth of 3B on the Nashville roster.

Urias, Devanney, Toro, Dorrian, Alvarez before opting out. Think Brosseau is still down there too?

Plus there isn’t really an obvious guy at Wisco deserving of the bump up to take his spot.

I’d love it if they cut bait with Winker and gave just about anyone in the system the DH PAs instead, but think they’ll just ride things out to the deadline at this point before shaking things up.

Luke Adams to A+ at 3B. Shift Metzinger to 1B at A+. 

Ernesto Martinez to AA at 1B. Shift Warren to 3B.

Black to AAA at 3B. Shift Dorrian/Toro to 1B. 

[Brewcrew82]

17 minutes ago, sveumrules said:

 

I’d love it if they cut bait with Winker and gave just about anyone in the system the DH PAs instead, but think they’ll just ride things out to the deadline at this point before shaking things up.

I would like that strategy better if they didn't have the upcoming schedule they currently do. 

[CheezWizHed]

How is Black's D at 3B? I recall that being a draft-day drawback with perhaps a move to 2B necessary, but I haven't paid close attention to it since. 

If his D is poor, maybe 1B could be a long-term home...  Our 1B cupboard is SO bare...

[rickh150]

1 hour ago, Brewcrew82 said:

And call up Tyler Black to the majors right now. Timing isn't any better with him killing AA and Rowdy out for a month/Winker continuing to underperform. It's not like AAA pitching is much better than AA pitching, either. There are relatively few players capable of doing this. Juan Soto was one. But I think Tyler Black's hit tool belongs in that category.

 

 

Sounds like a plan….also, huge ups for including a Nolan Bratt post!  Your stock has reached a new high. Yeah, I’m all for both Hiura and/or Black right now. Need offense.

[markedman5]

32 minutes ago, CheezWizHed said:

How is Black's D at 3B? I recall that being a draft-day drawback with perhaps a move to 2B necessary, but I haven't paid close attention to it since. 

If his D is poor, maybe 1B could be a long-term home...  Our 1B cupboard is SO bare...

Think the D is still a question mark from the guys who have watched him a lot at Biloxi. 

[rickh150]

13 minutes ago, markedman5 said:

Think the D is still a question mark from the guys who have watched him a lot at Biloxi. 

11 errors.. very questionable there. Gotta think 1B is a possibility, only if he is the 6’2 or so and not the 5’ 10” that mlb.com has him at.

[edfunderburk]

18 minutes ago, markedman5 said:

Think the D is still a question mark from the guys who have watched him a lot at Biloxi. 

I saw Black live in one game back in May. His defense on that evening in Montgomery was excellent. His speed on the bases & with his bat were exceptional. 
 

I’ve recommended this promotion a few times on the game threads & in the transaction forum over the past few weeks. 
 

We need to move on from both Winker & Tellez ASAP. Black & a bat via trade make sense. 

[edfunderburk]

2 minutes ago, rickh150 said:

11 errors.. very questionable there. Gotta think 1B is a possibility, only if he is the 6’2 or so and not the 5’ 10” that mlb.com has him at.

Black would be a great DH to finish the year in place of Winker

Maybe CJ Cron can be acquired via trade

Anderson (when healthy) could help in RF & at 3B

[tonyei31]

If we aren't going to be bat buyers at the deadline (I don't think we will) I love the idea of bringing Black up.  You have enough versatile, defensively talented utility guys to cover 3rd.  Would allow him to be a DH.  I see no reason that Hiura or Black is not given an opportunity instead of Winker.  With the huge versatility of Monasterio, Miller, Jones, even Turang between 2B and SS it may make sense to move up both Hiura and Black, while DFAing Winker and Tapia.  

[SomewhereInTime]

I love the idea.  They should definitely do this.  I really don't see the point in continuing to give ABs to Winker.

[CheezWizHed]

3 hours ago, rickh150 said:

11 errors.. very questionable there. Gotta think 1B is a possibility, only if he is the 6’2 or so and not the 5’ 10” that mlb.com has him at.

Only if he is 6'2"?  Prince Fielder says hi!. Owen Miller is 5'11" (as is Prince).   

Sure, that might be nice.  Would be nice if our 1B hit 300 and 50 HR/year too.  Owen Miller has been our best defensive 1B we've had for a few years and his height doesn't bother him.  If Black can do about that while hitting 270/410/445 (his MiLB averages), I'd happily take that at 1B. 

 

[Jim French Stepstool]

8 hours ago, sveumrules said:

 

I’d love it if they cut bait with Winker and gave just about anyone in the system the DH PAs instead, but think they’ll just ride things out to the deadline at this point before shaking things up.

This is pretty close to what I think will happen. I suspect they've been talking to teams about 1B-DH types, maybe even OFs, and one would think those talks have been ramped up some after the Tellez news. They'll let that pot boil for the remainder of the month before doing something like promoting Black. And if they do I believe it'll primarily be for the DH spot. Some won't like reading this but Anderson has been mostly terrific at 3B & they value that greatly.

 

[Jim French Stepstool]

8 hours ago, wiguy94 said:

I've wanted the Brewers to do this for a while, but I just don't see it. Have Brewers ever promoted a position player straight from AA to the MLB midseason? Some teams have been doing it (Braves as an example) but it really doesn't seem like our MO. 

Billy Jo Robidoux played in a combined 74 games with Milwaukee before ever seeing AAA. That was almost 40 years ago. So yeah, definitely not something they're inclined to do.

[zurch1818]

5 hours ago, Jim French Stepstool said:

Billy Jo Robidoux played in a combined 74 games with Milwaukee before ever seeing AAA. That was almost 40 years ago. So yeah, definitely not something they're inclined to do.

Regarding a more recent Brewers AA to MLB debut, I just confirmed a memory that Dana Eveland did this in 2005.

[Frisbee Slider]

1 hour ago, zurch1818 said:

Regarding a more recent Brewers AA to MLB debut, I just confirmed a memory that Dana Eveland did this in 2005.

Also, Chris Saenz in 2004. The highest game score for any pitcher with one career start.

https://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/MIL/MIL200404240.shtml

[Playing Catch]

I suspect the Brewers are having these internal discussions about Black. Some of the arguments against bringing him up...

1 - Disruptive to his development. They look at him as a long-term piece
2 - Starts service clock earlier than ideal
3 - No guarantee of success. If he fails miserably, does that set him back?
4 - He needs to play (in the field) every day and they can't do that at MLB-level
5 - 40-man roster crunch/who to remove from 40?

I will acknowledge that while I'm hopeful and optimistic that Black will be a good player for the big club in the next couple of years, I'm not as bullish on him as the rest of the board. I think I'd just prefer to use our platoon utility bats that are already on the 40-man in the 1B/DH role... Tapia/Jones/Urias/Miller/Perkins. I just don't see Black outperforming them in that role this season.