Brewers acquire Canha

[patrickgpe]

I’m fine with this. Should help minimally but the cost was low.  Doesn’t move the needle at all. 

[sveumrules]

1 minute ago, JefferyLeonard said:

I just want to see them TRY, if it fails, so what? I would give them massive credit for finally pushing the chips to the middle of the table and giving it a shot. Not this "half assed" stuff they always do.

The Brewers have won the 6th most games in MLB since 2018, imagine what they could do if they only tried.

[JefferyLeonard]

5 minutes ago, sveumrules said:

Wins and payroll are “analytics” now? I thought that was about as old school as it gets.

The Brewers have gotten league worst production at 1B/DH so far this year and have made two moves in an attempt to upgrade production at those spots.

Sorry they didn’t trade for your preferred dice roll.

They made likely SLIGHT upgrades, but that isn't saying much, given how bad they have been. So what? Canha and Santana! World Series here we come! There's still massive holes in the LU at SS, 2B, and CF(Weimer). Did you watch this last series against the Braves and see their LU??(Insert the tired old payroll excuse here)

[82brewcrew82]

2 minutes ago, JefferyLeonard said:

I just want to see them TRY, if it fails, so what? I would give them massive credit for finally pushing the chips to the middle of the table and giving it a shot. Not this "half assed" stuff they always do.

Just because they aren't dong what you want doesn't mean they aren't trying.

[JefferyLeonard]

Just now, sveumrules said:

The Brewers have won the 6th most games in MLB since 2018, imagine what they could do if they only tried.

Wow!!!! Holy hell, they deserve a parade for that! Everyone gets a trophy! 6th most wins in MLB since 2018. hang a freaking banner! 

[HarveysWBs]

2 minutes ago, JefferyLeonard said:

I just want to see them TRY, if it fails, so what? I would give them massive credit for finally pushing the chips to the middle of the table and giving it a shot. Not this "half assed" stuff they always do.

The "So what?" is the possibility of a protracted rebuild.  CC is already hinting at stepping away, that would probably put the last nail in the coffin.  The stadium upgrade debate is getting acrimonious politically--a sharp downturn in the franchise's outlook isn't going to help that.  Worst case scenario:  Nashville Brewers?  No thanks.  I'll take long-term stability, thank you very much.

[sveumrules]

Just now, JefferyLeonard said:

They made likely SLIGHT upgrades, but that isn't saying much, given how bad they have been. So what? Canha and Santana! World Series here we come! There's still massive holes in the LU at SS, 2B, and CF(Weimer). Did you watch this last series against the Braves and see their LU??(Insert the tired old payroll excuse here)

FanGraphs currently has the Braves at 25% World Series Odds compared to 3% for the Brewers.

No combination of deadline moves could gain the Brewers 5% in WS odds, much less 22%.

[StearnsFTW]

Never been more comfortable with my decision to put certain posters on ignore.

 

I'm fine with this move.   Echo others' thoughts that it's not huge or anything but should help

 

 

 

[82brewcrew82]

1 minute ago, JefferyLeonard said:

Wow!!!! Holy hell, they deserve a parade for that! Everyone gets a trophy! 6th most wins in MLB since 2018. hang a freaking banner! 

I have to give you credit.  I have never seen anyone move the goal posts from one post to the next like you do.

[brooks_quichenick]

2 minutes ago, JefferyLeonard said:

Wow!!!! Holy hell, they deserve a parade for that! Everyone gets a trophy! 6th most wins in MLB since 2018. hang a freaking banner! 

Step away from the keyboard for a bit, you're embarrassing yourself.

[True Blue Brew Crew]

Just now, JefferyLeonard said:

They made likely SLIGHT upgrades, but that isn't saying much, given how bad they have been. So what? Canha and Santana! World Series here we come! There's still massive holes in the LU at SS, 2B, and CF(Weimer). Did you watch this last series against the Braves and see their LU??(Insert the tired old payroll excuse here)

It's funny that you mention the Braves in the 2nd sentence after "World Series here we come". Because Santana and Canha are exactly the types of low cost players the Braves traded for in 2021 when they won the World Series.

The Braves at the 21' deadline were very much like the 23' Brewers. A team in contention but clearly not in anyone's argument as a WS favorite at the time. With 6 playoff spots you don't go "all-in" any time you're simply in the playoff picture. Some years you patch holes at low cost. This is one of those years.

[wallus]

We've given up very little to acquire Canha and Santana. I like it because we needed some vets that could be around average players. I am surprised the Mets were willing to pay Canha's salary to acquire Jarvis. 

I still think we make one more move.

[mtsportsfan]

Fine with this move ! Works pitchers , patient hitter and doesn't strike out a lot . didn't give up much.  Positive trade !

[brewerfan82]

4 minutes ago, JefferyLeonard said:

They made likely SLIGHT upgrades, but that isn't saying much, given how bad they have been. So what? Canha and Santana! World Series here we come! There's still massive holes in the LU at SS, 2B, and CF(Weimer). Did you watch this last series against the Braves and see their LU??(Insert the tired old payroll excuse here)

Do you realize 1B and DH have been bigger holes in the lineup this year than any of the positions you listed? Additionally, Canha's presence potentially allows Frelick to play more in center as well. I would have loved to get Candelario, but Canha and Santana are likely similarly as big of improvements for this team as he would have been.

[Fear The Chorizo]

Sometimes it's not worth engaging other posters...particularly those who joined on last year's trade deadline to bash the Brewers 2022 moves, probably waited 11.5 months to post anything else, and now post nothing but bashing the Brewers 2023 deadline moves.

[homer]

Things could change obviously but if Jeimer Candelario is the best position player traded this week then I am not sure what the Brewers could have done to fill all the holes they have in their lineup even if they wanted to trade off a bunch of prospects. Everybody seems to be making moves at the margins.

[Ro Mueller]

After experiencing the 2014, 2020 and 2022 trade deadlines, I’m happy to see us acquire two guys who appear to qualify as “bat-first” players.

Fangraphs rates Canha’s defense as a negative, so maybe we won’t actually be seeing him much in the outfield. In that case, I assume that Toro will get the boot back down to AAA, since CC obviously isn’t a fan of Toro’s 3B/2B defense. We’ll see.

[JefferyLeonard]

11 minutes ago, 82brewcrew82 said:

I have to give you credit.  I have never seen anyone move the goal posts from one post to the next like you do.

It's not moving the goal posts at all. Sveum was essentially "boasting" that the Brewers have the 6th most wins in baseball since 2018. Like it's some crowning achievement. Apparently he is just fine with great regular seasons, and essentially no post season success. I mean seriously, name the last time he has ever been even somewhat critical of any moves the Brewers have made? I can't remember a time. if people get somewhat critical of a move, he pulls out his fancy analytics(WRC+ etc), to try to make people feel better about it. Or his favorite thing to do, play the "payroll" card.  Not to single him out, because many others do that too. The next time he lambastes a Brewers move will be the 1st time. Just call a spade a spade, don't try to "prop up" every move as being some earth shattering needle moving move, or trying to justify how acquiring Santana and Canha make what was a steaming pile of dung previously, all of a sudden look like a bed of roses. Small moves like those sure, they make you slightly better IF things go really well from those acquisitions. But slightly better isn't saying much when you were so bad to begin with. They certainly don't strike fear into other NL clubs I can tell you that much.

It's the old using hope as a strategy. Hope never has been and never will be a strategy. Period. 
 

[82brewcrew82]

1 minute ago, JefferyLeonard said:

It's the old using hope as a strategy. Hope never has been and never will be a strategy. Period. 
 

That might be the saddest thing I've ever seen posted on this board.

[edfunderburk]

1 hour ago, 82brewcrew82 said:

Still can.  Play Canha in right and DH Hiura.

I think (hope) he was kidding

[JefferyLeonard]

12 minutes ago, brewerfan82 said:

Do you realize 1B and DH have been bigger holes in the lineup this year than any of the positions you listed? Additionally, Canha's presence potentially allows Frelick to play more in center as well. I would have loved to get Candelario, but Canha and Santana are likely similarly as big of improvements for this team as he would have been.

It doesn't necessarily have to be quality but quantity. Canha and Santana aren't going to fix the still remaining holes in this LU. Why not get Candelario, Canha, Santana AND another legit bat? Then, it would at least appear to be significantly better and no matter how it ended up, I'd applaud them. 

[82brewcrew82]

2 minutes ago, JefferyLeonard said:

It's not moving the goal posts at all. Sveum was essentially "boasting" that the Brewers have the 6th most wins in baseball since 2018. Like it's some crowning achievement. Apparently he is just fine with great regular seasons, and essentially no post season success. I mean seriously, name the last time he has ever been even somewhat critical of any moves the Brewers have made? I can't remember a time. if people get somewhat critical of a move, he pulls out his fancy analytics(WRC+ etc), to try to make people feel better about it. Or his favorite thing to do, play the "payroll" card.  Not to single him out, because many others do that too. The next time he lambastes a Brewers move will be the 1st time. Just call a spade a spade, don't try to "prop up" every move as being some earth shattering needle moving move, or trying to justify how acquiring Santana and Canha make what was a steaming pile of dung previously, all of a sudden look like a bed of roses. Small moves like those sure, they make you slightly better IF things go really well from those acquisitions. But slightly better isn't saying much when you were so bad to begin with. They certainly don't strike fear into other NL clubs I can tell you that much.

It's the old using hope as a strategy. Hope never has been and never will be a strategy. Period. 
 

JL - THEY DON"T WIN

BF - They've won more games than 24 other teams over the last five years.

JL - SO WHAT!

[brewerfan82]

Just now, JefferyLeonard said:

It doesn't necessarily have to be quality but quantity. Canha and Santana aren't going to fix the still remaining holes in this LU. Why not get Candelario, Canha, Santana AND another legit bat? Then, it would at least appear to be significantly better and no matter how it ended up, I'd applaud them. 

They've still got 22.5 hours to make more moves!

[JefferyLeonard]

21 minutes ago, True Blue Brew Crew said:

It's funny that you mention the Braves in the 2nd sentence after "World Series here we come". Because Santana and Canha are exactly the types of low cost players the Braves traded for in 2021 when they won the World Series.

The Braves at the 21' deadline were very much like the 23' Brewers. A team in contention but clearly not in anyone's argument as a WS favorite at the time. With 6 playoff spots you don't go "all-in" any time you're simply in the playoff picture. Some years you patch holes at low cost. This is one of those years.

Sure, that's a legit argument. The only problem is, if not now, when?? You had a window with Burnes and Woody, and did nothing to try to capitalize on it. That's my problem. They are always just "patching" holes. 

[owbc]

3 minutes ago, JefferyLeonard said:

It's not moving the goal posts at all. Sveum was essentially "boasting" that the Brewers have the 6th most wins in baseball since 2018. Like it's some crowning achievement. Apparently he is just fine with great regular seasons, and essentially no post season success. I mean seriously, name the last time he has ever been even somewhat critical of any moves the Brewers have made? I can't remember a time. if people get somewhat critical of a move, he pulls out his fancy analytics(WRC+ etc), to try to make people feel better about it. Or his favorite thing to do, play the "payroll" card.  Not to single him out, because many others do that too. The next time he lambastes a Brewers move will be the 1st time. Just call a spade a spade, don't try to "prop up" every move as being some earth shattering needle moving move, or trying to justify how acquiring Santana and Canha make what was a steaming pile of dung previously, all of a sudden look like a bed of roses. Small moves like those sure, they make you slightly better IF things go really well from those acquisitions. But slightly better isn't saying much when you were so bad to begin with. They certainly don't strike fear into other NL clubs I can tell you that much.

It's the old using hope as a strategy. Hope never has been and never will be a strategy. Period. 
 

I mean this genuinely -- if you're expecting something different you should probably pick a different MLB team to follow. The Brewers are not going to be taking a different approach anytime soon.