Brewers acquire Canha

[jay87shot]

I like this deal, Canha can let Weimer go down to AAA to get his extra year. Go Yeli, Frelick, Canha with Perkins and Miller as depth or to let Canha DH.In a few weeks Canha goes to DH/1B platoon and 4th OF. He hits LHP really well and is solid. Is he sparkly, no but he is better than most of our lineup. The option is interesting and unlikely but he could be a good option to decline the 11.5 mill option and then resign.

Jarvis is solid but ultimately we have Peralta, Ashby, Gasser, Rodriguez, Misi maybe Woody that would be ahead of him. Best case he could be like Houser worse Dylan File/Alec Bettinger.

[brooks_quichenick]

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/mark-canha-the-newest-brewer/

[wallus]

1 hour ago, ctmyers said:

Well, it wouldn't be a trade deadline if the Brewers didn't give up young, promising arms for mediocre MLB depth.  

Good thing we haven't done that yet.

[valpocrewsader]

7 minutes ago, brooks_quichenick said:

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/mark-canha-the-newest-brewer/

Lots of good stuff in that article. One fun quote: 

"Only two Brewers have out-hit Canha this year over 150 plate appearances or more, which is honestly shocking. Five different Mets have, and the Mets are awful!"

[MVP2110]

This is very similar to the Santana deal. Gave up a lower tier prospect to go from terrible to average at a spot which is fine. If we can go back to having a lineup full of averagish hitters 1-8 then we might be able to make some noise. It's nothing special but it'll help

[Jopal78]

Guess that goes to show you what Canha’s value was. Mets had to pay 3-4 million to get a middling pitching prospect in return, and presumably that was their best offer. 

[Jim French Stepstool]

FWIW, Counsell said in postgame Canha could play some in RF, with Frelick moving to CF. That tells me Wiemer mostly sees time vs LHP, unless Canha settles in to the DH spot.

[Jim French Stepstool]

2 hours ago, liveforoctober said:

I've come to enjoy the nuclear reactions of fans during trade deadlines. The high strung fan has become one of my favorites to witness. We could trade for Ohtani, Scherzer, and Hader tonight and there will be a good handful of people whose response will be "BUT HOW IS THAT SUPPOSE TO HELP OUR 3B PRODUCTION?!?"

I enjoy this.

I'm picturing a comfy seat on the oversized sofa, a bowl of popcorn, watching 8 hours of coverage on MLBN tomorrow with a megaphone, shouting at the screen, GOPHERIT!!!!!!! MOVE THE NEEDLE!!!!!!

[ctmyers]

1 hour ago, sveumrules said:

There’s no need for hypotheticals.

Kiké Hernandez, Amed Rosario, Carlos Santana, Nicky Lopez, CJ Cron, Randall Grichuk, Mark Canha, Jeimer Candelario AJ Pollock and Mark Matthias, that is the reality we are dealing with to this point.

That's simply a list of players who have been traded.  We have no idea who's been made available for negotiation and what compensation was considered, whether that be Jimenez, Arenado, Goldschmidt or any other player.  

[sveumrules]

1 minute ago, ctmyers said:

That's simply a list of players who have been traded.  We have no idea who's been made available for negotiation and what compensation was considered, whether that be Jimenez, Arenado, Goldschmidt or any other player.  

True. But if those players were made available for negotiation (believe Arenado would only waive his NTC for LAD), the Brewers weren’t the only team unwilling to meet the ask.

[Team Canada]

3 hours ago, StearnsFTW said:

What a horrid take.

 

Your whole "arguing just to argue/contrarian" schtick is getting old.

If you're going to disagree, put some effort into into a reasoned factual response instead of just saying it's horrid.

[BlightyBrew]

Posted in the game thread but I thought I would be it hear as well.

Comparing the Nats and Brewers offense totals so for in the NL:

R/G - Nats 12th / Crew 13th

R - Nats 12th / Crew 13th

H - Nats 3rd / Crew 15th

2B - Nats 5th / Crew 14th

3B - Nats 4th / Crew 13th

HR - Nats 15th / Crew 11th

BB - Nats 15th / Crew 4th

K - Nats 15th / Crew 4th

BA - Nats 3rd/ Crew 15th

OBP - Nats 10th / Crew 15th

SLG - Nats 11th /Crew 15th

 

There will be no series going forward that will be "easy wins" for the crew regardless of what the "strength of schedule" says. 

Doesn't matter who is pitching or who is coming back for the Crew or how many defensive runs they save. They still will give up on average 3 runs a game and we have not shown that we are capable of generating offensive runs game in game out consistently.  

 We don't hit enough for average or XB's.  Our ability to draw walks and get on base is nullified by the K rate.  The Crew rankings above have not changed that much since late April, at or near the bottom in the NL.

There are not enough Santana's or Canha's to make this offensive unit work. 

Games remaining : 3 Phillies; 5 Nats; 7 Marlins; 6 Cubs; 7 Cards; 7 Pirates; 3 Dodgers; 3 Rockies; 3 Padres; 3 Yankees; 3 White Sox; 2 Twins; 3 Rangers - 55 games left I can only see 26 more wins which we lead to 83 wins(2 games above .500).  Might be enough just to squeak but I doubt it.  

[homer]

4 hours ago, BlightyBrew said:

Posted in the game thread but I thought I would be it hear as well.

Comparing the Nats and Brewers offense totals so for in the NL:

R/G - Nats 12th / Crew 13th

R - Nats 12th / Crew 13th

H - Nats 3rd / Crew 15th

2B - Nats 5th / Crew 14th

3B - Nats 4th / Crew 13th

HR - Nats 15th / Crew 11th

BB - Nats 15th / Crew 4th

K - Nats 15th / Crew 4th

BA - Nats 3rd/ Crew 15th

OBP - Nats 10th / Crew 15th

SLG - Nats 11th /Crew 15th

 

There will be no series going forward that will be "easy wins" for the crew regardless of what the "strength of schedule" says. 

Doesn't matter who is pitching or who is coming back for the Crew or how many defensive runs they save. They still will give up on average 3 runs a game and we have not shown that we are capable of generating offensive runs game in game out consistently.  

 We don't hit enough for average or XB's.  Our ability to draw walks and get on base is nullified by the K rate.  The Crew rankings above have not changed that much since late April, at or near the bottom in the NL.

There are not enough Santana's or Canha's to make this offensive unit work. 

Games remaining : 3 Phillies; 5 Nats; 7 Marlins; 6 Cubs; 7 Cards; 7 Pirates; 3 Dodgers; 3 Rockies; 3 Padres; 3 Yankees; 3 White Sox; 2 Twins; 3 Rangers - 55 games left I can only see 26 more wins which we lead to 83 wins(2 games above .500).  Might be enough just to squeak but I doubt it.  

Looks like a team that shouldn't be making a big move.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

Not really an exciting move, but Canha is a solid player who has a little pop, gets on base and isn't a windmill at the plate. Considering what they gave up to get him, it's ok. It very much screams old style waiver trade from a few years ago. But with no more waiver deals, these types of "roster-filler" type deals need to happen at the deadline, when fanbases are expecting a bigger name.

I doubt we'll see another big deal for a bat. It wouldn't surprise me, though, to see a couple pen arms acquired today. That seems to be this team's annual deadline day tradition. 

[sveumrules]

5 hours ago, BlightyBrew said:

The Crew rankings above have not changed that much since late April, at or near the bottom in the NL.

Except their level of performance has been changing, rising and falling throughout the season…

First 19 games (14-5): 103 wRC+
Next 49 games (20-29) 79 wRC+
Last 39 games (23-16) 92 wRC+ 

The arrow has been pointing up since they bottomed out after what was a perfectly cromulent start to the season.

How will the offense fare over the final 55 games? I don’t know.

If they revert to hitting around a 79 wRC+, they’re cooked.

If they revert to hitting around a 103 wRC+, that would help considerably.

If they stick around the 92 wRC+ they’ve been posting the last six weeks, it’ll probably be a dog fight down to the wire.

[homer]

27 minutes ago, Ron Robinsons Beard said:

Not really an exciting move, but Canha is a solid player who has a little pop, gets on base and isn't a windmill at the plate. Considering what they gave up to get him, it's ok. It very much screams old style waiver trade from a few years ago. But with no more waiver deals, these types of "roster-filler" type deals need to happen at the deadline, when fanbases are expecting a bigger name.

I doubt we'll see another big deal for a bat. It wouldn't surprise me, though, to see a couple pen arms acquired today. That seems to be this team's annual deadline day tradition. 

Welcome back, man.

[patrickgpe]

Jarvis was the 30th prospect in our organization yesterday, now he is #13 for the Mets. I understand he was going to go up the boards once they were redone after the draft / deadline, but still...

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

7 minutes ago, patrickgpe said:

Jarvis was the 30th prospect in our organization yesterday, now he is #13 for the Mets. I understand he was going to go up the boards once they were redone after the draft / deadline, but still...

Probably a mix of the Mets system being bad, along with some East Coast bias.

[Pugger]

14 hours ago, mtsportsfan said:

Fine with this move ! Works pitchers , patient hitter and doesn't strike out a lot . didn't give up much.  Positive trade !

I hope his approach at the plate rubs off on his new teammates.

[LouisEly]

11 hours ago, brooks_quichenick said:

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/mark-canha-the-newest-brewer/

That’s all true, but Canha still gets his because he has a tremendous sense of the strike zone. He rarely chases bad pitches. He makes a ton of contact when he does swing. A career double-digit walk rate makes sense given those skills. He strikes out more than you’d think given that rosy description of his plate discipline, but that’s just because he works a lot of deep counts. The total package is basically what you’d expect: solid on-base numbers, subpar slugging, and overall production somewhere between 10 and 20% better than average.

Canha’s not a superstar, or even a star, but it’s hard to look at his results and see anything worse than a good bat.

[patrickgpe]

31 minutes ago, Ron Robinsons Beard said:

Probably a mix of the Mets system being bad, along with some East Coast bias.

that was kind of my point, the brewers system continues to improve while the mets clearly isn't great. 

[Thurston Fluff]

16 hours ago, JefferyLeonard said:

That's the thing, who says their will be another contending window? None of us know that, and even if there is, we don't know when it might be. There are no certainties. That's why when you have two stud arms like they have, you should maximize that window. Alas, they are the Brewers. 

But going all in an giving up top farm talent for a "needle mover" is a guaranteed certainty to win us a World Series?

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

2 minutes ago, Thurston Fluff said:

But going all in an giving up top farm talent for a "needle mover" is a guaranteed certainty to win us a World Series?

Exactly. The Mets were certainly "all in" this offseason. Now they're selling. It can theoretically somewhat improve your chances, but never in the history of baseball has acquiring big names guaranteed success.

[Thurston Fluff]

16 hours ago, Jopal78 said:

“Massive” no. An upgrade from bad to mediocre, sure.

The  again what playoff team bolsters the middle of the their lineup with a collection of sun .730 OPS hitters. 
 

It’s a team without a direction, they won’t make the moves to narrow the talent gap between them and the stronger teams in their league, and they won’t sell their valuable assets to try to field a stronger team in the future. Just content at  being “good enough” to maybe win a bad division.  

I'd argue these moves show it is a team with a direction. One stated many times over. They're going to ride pitching and defense while getting enough offense to win games and make deadline moves that help the current team without hurting the future. Suddenly picking up a bunch of terrible fielding, good hitting players, giving up a boatload of prospects in the process would have indicated a team without direction. I get that some don't like the approach but that doesn't mean it isn't a planned approach that they're staying with.

[Marc Newfield of Dreams]

This move is fine. So was Santana. Frankly, it's the type of move they should be making now.

The lineup needs an offseason to fix. Going all in with this group makes no sense. Make some improvements on the margins and see what happens.

I'm far more interested to see what direction they go this offseason.