NL Wild Card Game 2 - Diamondbacks (Gallen) vs Brewers (Peralta): 10/4/23, 6:08pm

[HarveysWBs]

30 base runners in two games? You tell me that and Burnes and Freddy start both those games at home against a team with a -15 differential and I’d take that every single time.  This team is a sadness factory.

[rluzinski]

3 minutes ago, HarryDoyle said:

I don't think He concerns himself with baseball matters.

You can make as much money managing a KFC as being a hitting coach in the majors.  That is how much they are valued by their employers.  Their biggest utility is giving certain baseball fans someone to blame.

I am also certain that a new owner will result in the smallest market team in the majors having a $200 mil yearly payroll. 

Again, I am as pissed as anyone to see a solid 162 game season end with 2 bad games.  But must we always have to just start throwing darts at the wall, to find an outlet for our pain?

See you all next year!

[jason21nl]

It’s life as a Brewers fan.  I doubt they ever make a WS in my lifetime.   Baseball isn’t set up for them to make one.  Only way was for our rookies to be absolute studs and they’re just not. 

[adambr2]

8 minutes ago, OldSchoolSnapper said:

By the time the playoffs start they are typically playing a much better team. Compiling season wins is a different animal than stacking your blue chips to win a short series that's do or die. 

Honestly I can think of two times we maybe had a better team. Colorado and arguably this one. 

 

Pretty easy to say in hindsight that the other teams were better but that generally wasn't the perception. The 2021 Brewers had 8 more wins than the Braves, who went on to win the World Series. They got hot, we didn't. They had more wins in 2018 than the Dodgers.  They had HFA in both of those series'.  The 2019 Brewers/Nationals was about as close to a wash as can be. 

It's not like they just ran into juggernauts and were outmatched in so many of these, that's not what happened at all. There wasn't a single playoff since 2018 that they went into with folks thinking they were outmatched, that is revisionist history. If they had won this series and faced the Dodgers or Braves I think that would have qualified, but that would have been the first. 

[Joseph Zarr]

2 minutes ago, Outlander said:

Depressing not only because they lost but also because it will be their best chance for a while. 2024 is going to be brutal.

I don't agree with this sentiment even remotely. We have premium guys literally right on the doorstep. We have an intriguing off-season of uncertainty. I think 2024 could be quite exciting.

[HarryDoyle]

It's time for an overhaul, a true rebuilding process. The team constructed as is now is not going anywhere. No running it back one more time, no more putting the finger in the dyke one year signings with the McCutcheons, Winkers and Andersons of the world. Trade Burnes while you can still get a substantial package for him before he trends down any farther. Let Adames go. You can't sign Woody to a huge contract extension anymore with the chronic shoulder problems he has. His days as a top notch pitcher are likely over unfortunately. Just start over.

[wOOgiE22]

I applaud what Counsell has done, but I’m not going to be sad to see him go if he does. 

I say blow this thing up and see what you get in the off-season for our staring pitching. I would rather go through a rebuild then see early playoff exits each year. 

[owbc]

2 minutes ago, Joseph Zarr said:

I don't agree with this sentiment even remotely. We have premium guys literally right on the doorstep. We have an intriguing off-season of uncertainty. I think 2024 could be quite exciting.

Yeah they will be right back here next year in the best-of-3 wild card with the pressure even higher because we apparently can’t win a postseason game anymore. 

[titletownking]

5 minutes ago, jason21nl said:

It’s life as a Brewers fan.  I doubt they ever make a WS in my lifetime.   Baseball isn’t set up for them to make one.  Only way was for our rookies to be absolute studs and they’re just not. 

That’s the true reason for the devastation, we will probably never have anything near this pitching again and we absolutely unequivocally wasted it. Out in 2 games with a whimper. Rather pathetic honestly. 

[HarveysWBs]

Just now, Joseph Zarr said:

I don't agree with this sentiment even remotely. We have premium guys literally right on the doorstep. We have an intriguing off-season of uncertainty. I think 2024 could be quite exciting.

Agreed.  I am quite interested in what comes next.  To say that the fate of the franchise lies on the shoulders of Chourio and Black is not an understatement.  If we’re going to fix what ails the big club, it can only be through homegrown offense.  It has to start next year.

[MDCrew]

Definitely a disappointing end to the season. Early leads in both games and then no runs after that is very frustrating. I’m not sure if it was pressure but pitching was supposed to be our advantage and it was underwhelming. This off-season will be interesting to say the least.

 

My son is a big O’s fan since he was was born here so while he was sad the Crew got eliminated he is excited to see what Baltimore can do. 

[BruisedCrew]

1 hour ago, OldSchoolSnapper said:

By the time the playoffs start they are typically playing a much better team. Compiling season wins is a different animal than stacking your blue chips to win a short series that's do or die. 

Honestly I can think of two times we maybe had a better team. Colorado and arguably this one. 

 

I think this is the real issue with the Brewers the way they have been constructed since 2021. Their quality and depth in both the rotation and bullpen can pile up wins in the regular season when there are a lot of games against bad teams or bottom rotation starters or both. 
 

But in the playoffs the pitching advantage is reduced or eliminated by the better teams and the opponents’ offensive advantage  takes over. 

[Cool Hand Lucroy]

4 minutes ago, Joseph Zarr said:

I don't agree with this sentiment even remotely. We have premium guys literally right on the doorstep. We have an intriguing off-season of uncertainty. I think 2024 could be quite exciting.

Dude, exactly! We are going to be INTERESTING in 2024. We're going to be FUN. Young, fast, frustrating, and with a new manager too. I have half a mind to say the org should hire Alyssa Nakken to manage and just like become the most fascinating follow in the history of pro sports.

[Pugger]

I'm almost afraid to google how many runners we left on base this year and/or how many double plays we hit into.  Getting that big hit with RISP had been elusive to say the least. 

[OldSchoolSnapper]

6 minutes ago, adambr2 said:

Pretty easy to say in hindsight that the other teams were better but that generally wasn't the perception. The 2021 Brewers had 8 more wins than the Braves, who went on to win the World Series. They got hot, we didn't. They had more wins in 2018 than the Dodgers.  They had HFA in both of those series'.  The 2019 Brewers/Nationals was about as close to a wash as can be. 

It's not like they just ran into juggernauts and were outmatched in so many of these, that's not what happened at all. There wasn't a single playoff since 2018 that they went into with folks thinking they were outmatched, that is revisionist history. If they had won this series and faced the Dodgers or Braves I think that would have qualified, but that would have been the first. 

I'm sorry but you will never convince me our '18 team was more talented than LAD or the 2021 team was more talented than ATL. 

Their regular season records mean nothing to me and was exactly my point. When you get to the playoffs you are stacking blue chips against blue chips and we will almost always be on the short end. 

With that said our 2018 team was extremely good and it was a close series but calling it hindsight is dismissive. At no point did I feel we were better than the Dodgers I certainly didn't think we had a better roster than ATL.

This was a fart though. They could have beaten this team. 

[brewers888]

13 minutes ago, willie key said:

The diamondbacks hit like 4 or 5 balls 100 million mph yesterday.      I’m so sick of people talking about luck and random.     What a bunch of bull *****

they got beat.    Period.       Their so called great starting pitchers flat out sucked

The unlucky excuse is old and ridiculous. We just flat out sucked and losing game one with that pitching advantage was pitiful.

[Jim French Stepstool]

Outhit 'em in both games. How often did we hear about the "next hit" from CC this year. This series was a microcosm. More than enough baserunners. Overall, not quite as good ABs from the neck up as Arizona. But they pitched much better than us, which had a lot to do with it.

Sixth was frustrating. Perdomo isn't a bad #9 hitter, he has a clue at the plate. But you're up a run, and you walk him leading off the inning. You just can't do that. Then when it's still a 3-2 game, you have a gift w/2 on & one out: their backup catcher at the plate.

Four. Pitch. Walk.

I think Uribe is going to be special. But I feared this was going to happen too often when he arrived. I was wrong, it was relatively rare. But it happened at the worst possible time tonight. What could've been a one or two run inning became four. What our strength is, what we've leaned on all season, wasn't there. And it needed to be.

Yelichs' bunt leading off the 8th was smart. You needed base runners. The strange thing is, if it were the exact same situation & it was May 18th, or July 25th, you know he'd never do it.

[TPlush]

Serious question.... does getting (embarrassingly) swept by a team who barely snuck in as the last wild card count as:
A) a fully qualified, no strings attached, bite of the apple
B) a bite* of the apple
C) a nibble of the apple
D) a taste of the apple
E) a whiff of the apple
F) none of the above, please comment

[Joseph Zarr]

My only hope for the Brewers organization is they embrace change. I hope they actually honestly assess what is practical for the organization and they attack it with fearlessness and the vigor it demands. I do not think I can handle another decision like the Winker one(s). No more being afraid to fail. Choosing Winker was a scared decision. It had no intrepid vision. No courage. It was stale and indefensible. The karma of this series is what it is. The ball just does not lie. You have to seize these moments by meeting them and making your mark. The Brewers were owned by the moments in this series being too big for the group. 

I want to see fearlessness this off-season. I want to see cutting edge moves showing they have learned they need to keep evolving and honestly assess what has repeatedly failed. I want to see reasons why I should solidify my faith going into 2024. They have a fantastic foundation in the lower levels. NOW is the time to use that as the springboard for what comes next

[yourout]

3 minutes ago, TPlush said:

Serious question.... does getting (embarrassingly) swept by a team who barely snuck in as the last wild card count as:
A) a fully qualified, no strings attached, bite of the apple
B) a bite* of the apple
C) a nibble of the apple
D) a taste of the apple
E) a whiff of the apple
F) none of the above, please comment

It was biting into an Apple only to find out it was a hand grenade.

[Cool Hand Lucroy]

Just now, Joseph Zarr said:

My only hope for the Brewers organization is they embrace change. I hope they actually honestly assess what is practical for the organization and they attack it with fearlessness and the vigor it demands. I do not think I can handle another decision like the Winker one(s). No more being afraid to fail. Choosing Winker was a scared decision. It had no intrepid vision. No courage. It was stale and indefensible. The karma of this series is what it is. The ball just does not lie. You have to seize these moments by meeting them and making your mark. The Brewers were owned by the moments in this series being too big for the group. 

I want to see fearlessness this off-season. I want to see cutting edge moves showing they have learned they meed to keep evolving and honestly assess what has repeatedly failed. I want to see reasons why I should solidify my faith going into 2024. Tjey have a fantastic foundation in the lower levels. NOW is the time to use that as the springboard for what comes next

We are mind-melding.

The Twins did that this year. They looked so loose and ready these last two days. Everyone focused and locked it and yet still having fun. Brewers could use a Carlos Gomez on this roster. Somebody so gutsy he's probably a little bit foolish, but he sure as heck is confident.

Credit to Tyrone Taylor. He played like that guy and has been for a while.

[adambr2]

4 minutes ago, OldSchoolSnapper said:

I'm sorry but you will never convince me our '18 team was more talented than LAD or the 2021 team was more talented than ATL. 

Their regular season records mean nothing to me and was exactly my point. When you get to the playoffs you are stacking blue chips against blue chips and we will almost always be on the short end. 

With that said our 2018 team was extremely good and it was a close series but calling it hindsight is dismissive. At no point did I feel we were better than the Dodgers I certainly didn't think we had a better roster than ATL.

This was a fart though. They could have beaten this team. 

https://www.brewcrewball.com/2021/10/8/22711390/what-the-experts-are-predicting-for-the-milwaukee-brewers-in-the-mlb-playoffs

Just to revisit, these were expert predictions for Brewers/Braves in 2021. Now if you thought the Braves were better all along, that's fine, but the general consensus was that the Brewers had at least as good of a chance to win the series as the Braves. 

That's my only issue, with the hindsight being "well they just ran into much better teams". No, most of these series' were winnable and they choked. Or at least, always found a way to lose. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[brewers888]

15 minutes ago, Joseph Zarr said:

I don't agree with this sentiment even remotely. We have premium guys literally right on the doorstep. We have an intriguing off-season of uncertainty. I think 2024 could be quite exciting.

I need to see one of our hitting prospects actually hit at the major league level before I will believe its going to happen.

[brewers888]

12 minutes ago, Pugger said:

I'm almost afraid to google how many runners we left on base this year and/or how many double plays we hit into.  Getting that big hit with RISP had been elusive to say the least. 

We also had a couple of times where we had three hits in an inning and still didn't score because this team had virtually no power.

[Jim French Stepstool]

10 minutes ago, titletownking said:

That’s the true reason for the devastation, we will probably never have anything near this pitching again and we absolutely unequivocally wasted it. Out in 2 games with a whimper. Rather pathetic honestly. 

In this series, I think it was more about the pitching failing them than anything else. Their "Cy Young award winner" (thanks for reminding us of that 397,000 times, Sophia) was given a 3 run lead in game one. We were trailing by the 4th. Devin comes into a 1-run game in the 9th & walks the bases full. Whether you're built around hitting, pitching, whatever your strength is, your horses have to perform at this time of year, Ours didn't. Except for not getting the "next hit" I think the offense performed better than many on here thought it would.