Onward to the future, who is your preferred 2024 field manager

[Fear The Chorizo]

Lucroy?

[wildcat2237]

36 minutes ago, Ron Robinsons Beard said:

That article was edited after I read it this morning to reflect that. It initially said that Murphy was among those who was retained. 

TrueBlue: Thanks for posting. Hadnt seen that Murphy didnt re-up. That changes things. Either he is the new manager or he follows Counsell. 

[sveumrules]

4 minutes ago, Fear The Chorizo said:

Lucroy?

Depends, does he blame his agent or Mark A for that under market extension he signed?

[Fear The Chorizo]

2 minutes ago, sveumrules said:

Depends, does he blame his agent or Mark A for that under market extension he signed?

I mean, he retired a brewer and currently works for them, right?  Pretty sure that's water under the bridge. 

And what better way for Luc to get more of Mark A's money now that the market rate for a mlb skipper is pushing 8 figures annually?, lol?

 

 

[patrickgpe]

I don't get the fascination with Weeks. Is it because we hired a former Brewers infielder and it worked OK? Is it we just simply liked him when he was a player? He may be a great manager, but there is nothing there to show that right now. 

[patrickgpe]

28 minutes ago, wildcat2237 said:

TrueBlue: Thanks for posting. Hadnt seen that Murphy didnt re-up. That changes things. Either he is the new manager or he follows Counsell. 

I would imagine it would be more attractive to be a manager, unless at 64 with health issues, he'd rather just be a bench coach with his buddy. 

[RobertCrawley]

1 hour ago, True Blue Brew Crew said:

Here it is...

https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/mlb/brewers/2023/11/07/mark-attanasio-says-brewers-coaching-staff-will-all-be-back-in-2024/71487631007/

I wonder if he goes to the Chicago team with Counsellout.

[owbc]

I would let Counsell have Murphy. The new manager should at least get to pick a new right hand guy. 

[patrickgpe]

6 minutes ago, owbc said:

I would let Counsell have Murphy. The new manager should at least get to pick a new right hand guy. 

He isn't contract so he would be free to go, but if was under contract there is no way that the Brewers would let him walk to their biggest rival to work for the former coach that stabbed them in the back. Your premise is correct though. 

[BrewerFan]

9 minutes ago, patrickgpe said:

He isn't contract so he would be free to go, but if was under contract there is no way that the Brewers would let him walk to their biggest rival to work for the former coach that stabbed them in the back. Your premise is correct though. 

Where's this from? MLB.com is reporting that Murphy is under contract for the 2024 season. 

Did we get something updated since that report?

 

Edit-I see the reports that he didn't "re-sign," but...do we actually know if his contract expired this year? That's all I'm seeing to contradict the original reports that he's not under contract. That he was the lone coach to re-sign...but I'd assume these guys don't all go year to year. 

[MVP2110]

57 minutes ago, patrickgpe said:

I don't get the fascination with Weeks. Is it because we hired a former Brewers infielder and it worked OK? Is it we just simply liked him when he was a player? He may be a great manager, but there is nothing there to show that right now. 

He'd certainly be the most fun choice. Tbh I'm not sure any of us can credibly say who the best choices are. Baseball is so weird in that managers come from very different backgrounds all the time and have success. I'm very confident Arnold will hire someone he believes can implement the analytical data that the Front office gives them, the bigger question to me is can the new guy implement a good clubhouse culture in a similar manner that Counsell was able too. Who that person is? I have no idea. The only guy listed I really don't want is Mattingly 

[jerichoholicninja]

It will be Matt Erickson and after 5 years of leading us to the playoffs and failing to live up to his promise of bringing a world series to Milwaukee he will sign with the Cardinals and surpass Counsell as the highest paid manager.

[titletownking]

Walker Mckinven is another name to keep an eye on. 

[JefferyLeonard]

It's not going to matter one iota who the manager is if the owner isn't going to spend any money to improve the roster. That's just a fact. You know, I would like the original owner Mark A back. If you remember, when he first bought the team, he wanted to go on FA shopping sprees etc and Stearns talked him down. I remember distinctly many people here lamenting that he was "meddling" because he wanted to spend big in FA. What happened to that Mark A? Bring him back! 

[patrickgpe]

3 hours ago, MVP2110 said:

He'd certainly be the most fun choice. Tbh I'm not sure any of us can credibly say who the best choices are. Baseball is so weird in that managers come from very different backgrounds all the time and have success. I'm very confident Arnold will hire someone he believes can implement the analytical data that the Front office gives them, the bigger question to me is can the new guy implement a good clubhouse culture in a similar manner that Counsell was able too. Who that person is? I have no idea. The only guy listed I really don't want is Mattingly 

I agree on Donnie Ballgame. Also Kapler 

[torts]

3 hours ago, JefferyLeonard said:

It's not going to matter one iota who the manager is if the owner isn't going to spend any money to improve the roster. That's just a fact. You know, I would like the original owner Mark A back. If you remember, when he first bought the team, he wanted to go on FA shopping sprees etc and Stearns talked him down. I remember distinctly many people here lamenting that he was "meddling" because he wanted to spend big in FA. What happened to that Mark A? Bring him back! 

Arnold has been GM for one season, give it some time.  

[MrTPlush]

Weeks is my all-time fav Brewer, so I would feel a little if that happened. Not sure he would be good or not though.

Mattingly…I mean, hardest pass of all-time.

Murphy, yah, look…I think this is a likely outcome. Trying to start a managerial search in mid-November after a few hot candidates are already gone? That is just not ideal at all. I wouldn’t be shocked if Murphy just bridges the gap.

[Brewcrew82]

23 minutes ago, JefferyLeonard said:

It's not going to matter one iota who the manager is if the owner isn't going to spend any money to improve the roster. That's just a fact. You know, I would like the original owner Mark A back. If you remember, when he first bought the team, he wanted to go on FA shopping sprees etc and Stearns talked him down. I remember distinctly many people here lamenting that he was "meddling" because he wanted to spend big in FA. What happened to that Mark A? Bring him back! 

That’s funny because which version of MA have we won more with….

[JefferyLeonard]

10 minutes ago, Brewcrew82 said:

That’s funny because which version of MA have we won more with….

We don't really know because we haven't truly seen the huge shopping spree Mark A that he originally wanted to be because Stearns intervened(I will forever hate Stearns for that BTW) it's Mark A's team, he can do what he wants. 

[Brewcrew82]

14 minutes ago, JefferyLeonard said:

We don't really know because we haven't truly seen the huge shopping spree Mark A that he originally wanted to be because Stearns intervened(I will forever hate Stearns for that BTW) it's Mark A's team, he can do what he wants. 

I don’t think it’s any coincidence that when MA has meddled less in baseball decisions, we’ve been more  successful. Those big “shopping sprees” that you laud MA for going on early in his tenure turned into Jeff Suppan, Matt Garza, whose contracts actively hurt the team.

[sveumrules]

16 hours ago, Lathund said:

But really, having said all this, I don't know how we as fans can possibly know with any real certainty who would or wouldn't make a good manager. We don't know what they're like as people, what their communication skills are (outside of interviews and such), their interpersonal skills, their knowledge of the game and analytics, or how the decisions behind the observable in-game decisions come about and their part in it etc. So I don't have any strong opinions. 

Well said, that is the essentially the crux of the whole thing. 

Of the names mentioned by Rosenthal, my preference would be one of McCullough, Espada, or Snitker. Someone that hasn’t managed before from outside the organization. A fresh voice/approach as we transition to whatever the future holds.

Of the other three I’d probably order it Weeks, Murphy, Mattingly.

But ultimately I know enough to know I don’t really know anything about any of these guys so I’ll hope Arnold makes the right call, even if it doesn’t align with my personal feelings.

[jay87shot]

Of that list Espada maybe would be my top, however I think he has a good shot at the Astros job. My money is on Murphy, maybe you have Rickie or Erikson be the bench coach and groom him for the manager job in a couple years.

[Jopal78]

With zero ability to choose their own staff, it probably rules out anyone externally. That Pat Murphy is keeping his options open reminds me a bit of Dave Stewart who immediately quit on the Brewers once his pal Davey Lopes was fired. 
 

So yeah, maybe Rickie Weeks, McKniven, or one of those special assistants to the GM (which I think was Counsell’s position before manager).

[jerichoholicninja]

11 hours ago, JefferyLeonard said:

It's not going to matter one iota who the manager is if the owner isn't going to spend any money to improve the roster. That's just a fact. You know, I would like the original owner Mark A back. If you remember, when he first bought the team, he wanted to go on FA shopping sprees etc and Stearns talked him down. I remember distinctly many people here lamenting that he was "meddling" because he wanted to spend big in FA. What happened to that Mark A? Bring him back! 

More Kyle Lohse and Jeff Suppan signings are just what this team needs to put it over the top.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

12 hours ago, JefferyLeonard said:

It's not going to matter one iota who the manager is if the owner isn't going to spend any money to improve the roster. That's just a fact. You know, I would like the original owner Mark A back. If you remember, when he first bought the team, he wanted to go on FA shopping sprees etc and Stearns talked him down. I remember distinctly many people here lamenting that he was "meddling" because he wanted to spend big in FA. What happened to that Mark A? Bring him back! 

Mark Attanasio bought the Brewers in 2004. Stearns was named GM in 2015. A lot happened in those 11 years.