Brewers and Chourio: Heyman reports 8 years, $80 million + 2 club option years

[SeaBass]

I'd be lying if I said I wasn't excited by the good things that can come from this deal. I believe in what I've said against it but it's not like I'm going to kick rocks over it. If everything plays out how everyone is expecting it's a grand slam deal. Even if it doesn't work out a $10 million AAV deal isn't crippling. It would sting but it shouldn't affect the team's overall ability to compete. It'd be nice if the baseball gods decided to smile on Milwaukee for once and let this be a kick start to even greater team successes.

[Outlander]

Agree with you SeaBass, we can have debates about potential transactions but once it's a done deal the debate is over. We are all Brewers fans and excited to see what is to come in the next decade. I think as Brewers fans sometimes we think about the worst outcomes but this signing appears to give hope and excitement to the fanbase. 

[Matt]

31 minutes ago, Ron Robinsons Beard said:

After a measly 400 MLB at-bats? Yeesh. 

It sure is a good thing a guy like Jim Gantner played when he did, because today's fan never would have had patience for him.

TBH I don't think today's coach or GM would have the patience either. 

[Underachiever]

I posted this during the season, but Robin Yount's .593 OPS his third year in MLB didn't exactly scream that he was a HOF candidate. Sometimes players improve. 

[DR28]

1 hour ago, Ron Robinsons Beard said:

After a measly 400 MLB at-bats? Yeesh. 

It sure is a good thing a guy like Jim Gantner played when he did, because today's fan never would have had patience for him.

Yes after 400 ABs, just don't see it with him..... Hope I'm dead wrong.

Love the D but dude you gotta do something with that bat... Guess could do worse than GG D, light hitting, soon to be SS.

[Fear The Chorizo]

2 hours ago, DR28 said:

I sure hope Black becomes our everyday 2B, I'm over Turang... He's never gonna hit.

Turang sure did seem to wither in September, but he had a decent stretch from July - August after he spent a few weeks in AAA where he was able to maintain an OBP over 100 points higher than his batting average.  And he still managed to be a 1.6 WAR player as a rookie in just over 400 plate appearances - primarily due to defense, but he was replacement level offensively at 2B.  He's never going to hit 30 HR a season, but if he bumps his BA into that 0.230-240 range and get on base at a 0.340-350 clip, that's really valuable at the bottom of the order with his base stealing abilities even if he will struggle to reach a 0.725 OPS due to limited slugging.

I think he'll continue to develop into a decent offensive player and be a valuable everyday starter with add gold glove-caliber MIF defense.

[torts]

8 hours ago, Joseph Zarr said:

Chourio Contract: Forest

Trees:

 

The future right there 😍😍😍

[edfunderburk]

5 hours ago, DR28 said:

Does he have the arm for 3rd?

He did when I saw him play in Montgomery last summer … but admittedly that was only one series

He seemed to be elite - he actually looked better than Chourio & Quero that weekend 

I hope he wins the 3B job 

I also hope he’s throwing across the diamond to Yelich

 

[BrewerFan]

1 hour ago, Fear The Chorizo said:

Turang sure did seem to wither in September, but he had a decent stretch from July - August after he spent a few weeks in AAA where he was able to maintain an OBP over 100 points higher than his batting average.  And he still managed to be a 1.6 WAR player as a rookie in just over 400 plate appearances - primarily due to defense, but he was replacement level offensively at 2B.  He's never going to hit 30 HR a season, but if he bumps his BA into that 0.230-240 range and get on base at a 0.340-350 clip, that's really valuable at the bottom of the order with his base stealing abilities even if he will struggle to reach a 0.725 OPS due to limited slugging.

I think he'll continue to develop into a decent offensive player and be a valuable everyday starter with add gold glove-caliber MIF defense.

I've been a huge Turang fan. He looked absolutely lost and probably shouldn't have been playing at the end of last year, but there's no way I'd replace him with Black. First of all, you're losing quite a bit on the defensive side, second...he was a rookie and when he was hitting, he looked good.

It's really rare for a player to come up and consistently hit right away...and when they do, they're Corbin Carroll or Gunnar Henderson types usually. I think he'll hit ~.260/.340/.440 and play great defense. That's optimistic obviously, but I'm confident in him. I think a 4 WAR player is well within reach with a couple seasons he maybe hits 6...

But that's hard to see in light of his poor rookie year.

[edfunderburk]

11 minutes ago, BrewerFan said:

I think Trang will hit .260/.340/.440 and play great defense

I agree … he is our future 2nd baseman & / or SS

[BrewerFan]

8 hours ago, True Blue Brew Crew said:

For those who are (strangely) against this, if not now, and for this player, then when?

 You wait a year or two until they've proven they're stars...and just ignore the fact that at THAT point, you're paying 300M to sign them...which of course isn't feasible in this market(at least not while building around them). 

I have absolutely NO clue how you could be opposed to this. This is the type of deal that we looked at and said the Braves got incredible value from Albies and Acuna Jr's deals. 

I'd do these deals as often as possible. I'd do Contreras right now to a similar-sized deal, I'd give Uribe one. Uribe you give far less. Frelick, 8 years 40M+ 2 option years. Those are good bets and the best ways to get players at below market through their prime years.

BUT, even if you don't agree with the others, Chourio is a no-brainer...

[JefferyLeonard]

So they spent 80 million on a player that hasn't touched Major league grass yet. You know what else they could have gotten for $80 million? Matt Chapman AND Rhys Hoskins, plus another arm, easily. Oh yeah and guess what? They would still have Chourio. I mean, look how much better this team already is by adding Matt Olson and Hoskins(who both fill positions of need as well). People rave about this contract means Mark isn't cheap? Except, what he obviously failed to realize, he could have signed two of the best FA's on the market and still had Chourio and your team is light years better than last years. I fail to understand why this organization continues to make things so difficult, when those were the two easiest moves you could have made if you were willing to spend $80 million. 

[homer]

8 minutes ago, JefferyLeonard said:

So they spent 80 million on a player that hasn't touched Major league grass yet. You know what else they could have gotten for $80 million? Matt Olson AND Rhys Hoskins, plus another arm, easily. Oh yeah and guess what? They would still have Chourio. I mean, look how much better this team already is by adding Matt Olson and Hoskins(who both fill positions of need as well). People rave about this contract means Mark isn't cheap? Except, what he obviously failed to realize, he could have signed two of the best FA's on the market and still had Chourio and your team is light years better than last years. I fail to understand why this organization continues to make things so difficult, when those were the two easiest moves you could have made if you were willing to spend $80 million. 

Matt Olson signed a 8 year / $168,000,000 contract with the Atlanta Braves, including $168,000,000 guaranteed

https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/atlanta-braves/matt-olson-21058/#:~:text=Matt Olson signed a 8,a total salary of %2422%2C000%2C000.

[BrewerFan]

2 minutes ago, JefferyLeonard said:

So they spent 80 million on a player that hasn't touched Major league grass yet. You know what else they could have gotten for $80 million? Matt Olson AND Rhys Hoskins, plus another arm, easily. Oh yeah and guess what? They would still have Chourio. I mean, look how much better this team already is by adding Matt Olson and Hoskins(who both fill positions of need as well). People rave about this contract means Mark isn't cheap? Except, what he obviously failed to realize, he could have signed two of the best FA's on the market and still had Chourio and your team is light years better than last years. I fail to understand why this organization continues to make things so difficult, when those were the two easiest moves you could have made if you were willing to spend $80 million. 

Dude, what are you talking about?

When did Matt Olson become a Free Agent? And you're taking the ENTIRE value and saying they could have spent that in one year? Cool. Not how any of this works.

4 minutes ago, JefferyLeonard said:

People rave about this contract means Mark isn't cheap?

Uh...no. Because people ranting about Mark A being cheap in the first place don't understand what they're talking about. Which is fine...but they're also the most confident.

~140M payroll in this market for a guy who owns less than 40% of a team that generates literally hundreds of millions LESS than the largest market teams means he isn't "cheap."

You rambling about signing Matt Olson as a FA when he was signed by ATL last year for ~180M before he had a career year is one of the most ridiculous, off-the-wall takes when it comes to this whole Chourio discussion I've seen...but you come close when you complain that for...some reason THIS move means we can't sign the guy who had a sub .800 OPS as a DH only when he last played...which wasn't last year.

 

Bottom line, the same people complaining about this would be the same people complaining about losing Chourio in 5 years when he was due to become a FA shortly. There's no rhyme or reason, people just like to complain about things. 

[brewerfan82]

7 minutes ago, JefferyLeonard said:

So they spent 80 million on a player that hasn't touched Major league grass yet. You know what else they could have gotten for $80 million? Matt Olson AND Rhys Hoskins, plus another arm, easily. Oh yeah and guess what? They would still have Chourio. I mean, look how much better this team already is by adding Matt Olson and Hoskins(who both fill positions of need as well). People rave about this contract means Mark isn't cheap? Except, what he obviously failed to realize, he could have signed two of the best FA's on the market and still had Chourio and your team is light years better than last years. I fail to understand why this organization continues to make things so difficult, when those were the two easiest moves you could have made if you were willing to spend $80 million. 

We are talking about Matt Olson who signed a 8 year, $168M contract? And the Chourio contract is likely structured in a way that he's basically getting paid what he would have gotten anyways in each of the first 6 years, giving him the contract has virtually no bearing on adding other players the first 6 years.

[gebc1997]

2 minutes ago, brewerfan82 said:

We are talking about Matt Olson who signed a 8 year, $168M contract? And the Chourio contract is likely structured in a way that he's basically getting paid what he would have gotten anyways in each of the first 6 years, giving him the contract has virtually no bearing on adding other players the first 6 years.

My hunch is he's talking about Matt Chapman, but still a very flawed way to analyze this signing

[JefferyLeonard]

Sorry, I didn't mean Matt Olson I meant Matt Chapman. I always get those two mixed up. But my point stands. You could have both Chapman and Hoskins easily for that $80 million. Go ahead, try to disagree with me...I dare you. It's not going to work, because EVERY single person here knows they could easily sign both of those players for $80 million(actually nowhere near that, but I digress). 

[brewerfan82]

4 minutes ago, gebc1997 said:

My hunch is he's talking about Matt Chapman, but still a very flawed way to analyze this signing

Ahhh... that would make a lot more sense on that front. But yeah, the Chourio contract still likely doesn't really affect the payroll or any other potential signings this season.

[BrewerFan]

1 minute ago, JefferyLeonard said:

Sorry, I didn't mean Matt Olson I meant Matt Chapman. I always get those two mixed up. But my point stands. You could have both Chapman and Hoskins easily for that $80 million. Go ahead, try to disagree with me...I dare you. It's not going to work, because EVERY single person here knows they could easily sign both of those players for $80 million(actually nowhere near that, but I digress). 

No...it's a nonsensical argument to begin with. It's like saying they could spend 212M this year because of the total value of the Yelich deal. How do you not get that's not how payroll works?

[gebc1997]

1 minute ago, JefferyLeonard said:

Sorry, I didn't mean Matt Olson I meant Matt Chapman. I always get those two mixed up. But my point stands. You could have both Chapman and Hoskins easily for that $80 million. Go ahead, try to disagree with me...I dare you. It's not going to work, because EVERY single person here knows they could easily sign both of those players for $80 million(actually nowhere near that, but I digress). 

Are you under the impression that Chourio signing means we can't sign anybody else.   

 

yes we could sign Hoskins for 3/36 and Chapman for 4/60 maybe , so a total oft 27 million a year and 96 total.   Chourio will likely only make 2 million or so in 2024. 

[Playing Catch]

4 minutes ago, JefferyLeonard said:

Go ahead, try to disagree with me...I dare you.

I love this.

[brewerfan82]

1 minute ago, JefferyLeonard said:

Sorry, I didn't mean Matt Olson I meant Matt Chapman. I always get those two mixed up. But my point stands. You could have both Chapman and Hoskins easily for that $80 million. Go ahead, try to disagree with me...I dare you. It's not going to work, because EVERY single person here knows they could easily sign both of those players for $80 million(actually nowhere near that, but I digress). 

If you'd like a better idea of how this contract probably actually looks, take a look at Luis Robert's contract: https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/chicago-white-sox/luis-robert-22648/

This contract is not going to prohibit them from making any 2 or 3 year deals they could have made otherwise.

[JefferyLeonard]

4 minutes ago, BrewerFan said:

No...it's a nonsensical argument to begin with. It's like saying they could spend 212M this year because of the total value of the Yelich deal. How do you not get that's not how payroll works?

No what's nonsensical is you not understanding...Take your pick..one Chapman or Hoskins you sign for 3 yrs 48 Million, the other 2 yrs 32 million. Boom, done. $80 million and now you have two very good bats for a minimum of two years oh and by the way, you still have Chourio. This isn't hard people. You all want it to be, but it's easy peasey. I just showed you how it's done. Any questions? 

Oh and for the record, I will put this out there right now..I will GUARANTEE you they don't sign anyone for more than 2 years plus maybe an option for about 10-12 million per year. That will be their biggest contract this offseason. Not a chance in hell they sign Chapman and Hoskins or either one. They aren't bold enough(or frankly smart enough) to sign two guys like that who also fill their two biggest needs. 

[gebc1997]

1 minute ago, JefferyLeonard said:

No what's nonsensical is you not understanding...Take your pick..one Chapman or Hoskins you sign for 3 yrs 48 Million, the other 2 yrs 32 million. Boom, done. $80 million and now you have two very good bats for a minimum of two years oh and by the way, you still have Chourio. This isn't hard people. You all want to be, but it's easy peasey. I just showed you how it's done. Any questions? 

And your scenario can still happen,  and still have Chourio locked up for likely up till 10 years.

Why do we think that this signing means 80 million dollars is out the door this year.

[CheeseheadInQC]

Just now, JefferyLeonard said:

No what's nonsensical is you not understanding...Take your pick..one Chapman or Hoskins you sign for 3 yrs 48 Million, the other 2 yrs 32 million. Boom, done. $80 million and now you have two very good bats for a minimum of two years oh and by the way, you still have Chourio. This isn't hard people. You all want to be, but it's easy peasey. I just showed you how it's done. Any questions? 

Chapman is almost certainly going to get more, but that’s neither here nor there. If you still have Chourio, you are still going to be paying Chourio during that stretch, less if he flops but more if he hits big. Also, Chourio’s deal, if it is like most of these, will mimic the typical salary scale, so those first two years will be the cheapest. This deal might add a million or so to the payroll over those two years.