MLBTR's Possible Trade Partners for Corbin Burnes

[Brewcrew82]

3 minutes ago, Brock Beauchamp said:

He won’t. I mean, it’s possible but 95% he won’t. 

Yeah, I'm in the minority. lol

[Brock Beauchamp]

44 minutes ago, Fear The Chorizo said:

HighHeat got hired here?

I don’t get this reference. 

[wibadgers23]

14 minutes ago, Brock Beauchamp said:

I don’t get this reference. 

Old poster from many years ago who claimed to have an inside source and ended up being completely full of it.  Fun times.  Did create some fun conversations though.

[Scooterfletcher]

I really want Julien and Lee in a deal and would add from our OF to make it happen.  Burnes/Wiemer/Mitchell for Lee and Julien.  Perkins becomes the 4th OF or we can easily sign a depth piece.   

[wibadgers23]

Maybe I'm missing something but why would the Twins want Burnes for one year?  Can't see them trading someone like Lee for one season of Burnes.

[CheeseheadInQC]

1 hour ago, Brock Beauchamp said:

I’ve said for a long time that Brewers fans are going to be disappointed with the Burnes return. He’s not going to net a top 50 prospect in the upper minors, which Lee is.

Depending upon which ranking site you use, I could see there being one well and truly blocked exception if that team decides to go for it.

That being said, what you said is part of the reason why I am OK keeping Burnes if no really good offer comes along. Sign Hoskins or, if that fails, Santana, and hope that a healthy Ashby can shore up the rotation and that the young hitters take a step forward.

There is an injury risk, but assuming Burnes doesn't suffer a serious injury, that comp pick has significant value in part because of how creative the Brewers have gotten with their draft pool in recent years. Having not just the pick but the extra cash allows them to be more proactive in going after prospects they like, whereas with a trade you are obviously more limited by which players the team makes available.

If they do trade him, I hope it is for pitching beyond the obvious reason of organizational depth right now. As I think you might have alluded to, I think it is more likely that the Brewers are going to find a couple of pitchers with traits they think they can mold into top-100 types than it is that they'll find a breakout hitter unless they go for DSL or complex league guys.

[Fear The Chorizo]

1 hour ago, Brock Beauchamp said:

I didn’t say bad shape. Burnes is now a year from free agency, Adames had a down year, and Woodruff is lost. This doesn’t happen to the Rays. 

The Rays currently have the player they signed longterm to be their franchise player in legal jeopardy, who may not see the field again, they traded Adames after a down year in the first place that led many to believe he's a much better player than he actually is for arms that are either out of the organization or once again injured, and their current MLB pitching staff has more elbow problems than the Dodgers does.

 

The Rays wish they were the Brewers right about now...

[Brock Beauchamp]

31 minutes ago, wibadgers23 said:

Old poster from many years ago who claimed to have an inside source and ended up being completely full of it.  Fun times.  Did create some fun conversations though.

Ah, okay.

Anyone can choose to believe me or not but we’re part of a group that has been referenced by MLBTR, Passan, Heyman, et al for breaking coverage. And we don’t really try to break news, we focus on coverage. That’s why I’m cagey about saying what team and what player. I don’t want to get it wrong and only mention the things I’m confident that have happened.

[Brock Beauchamp]

11 minutes ago, CheeseheadInQC said:

Depending upon which ranking site you use, I could see there being one well and truly blocked exception if that team decides to go for it.

That being said, what you said is part of the reason why I am OK keeping Burnes if no really good offer comes along. Sign Hoskins or, if that fails, Santana, and hope that a healthy Ashby can shore up the rotation and that the young hitters take a step forward.

There is an injury risk, but assuming Burnes doesn't suffer a serious injury, that comp pick has significant value in part because of how creative the Brewers have gotten with their draft pool in recent years. Having not just the pick but the extra cash allows them to be more proactive in going after prospects they like, whereas with a trade you are obviously more limited by which players the team makes available.

If they do trade him, I hope it is for pitching beyond the obvious reason of organizational depth right now. As I think you might have alluded to, I think it is more likely that the Brewers are going to find a couple of pitchers with traits they think they can mold into top-100 types than it is that they'll find a breakout hitter unless they go for DSL or complex league guys.

Your final paragraph is why I’m intrigued by the conversations I’ve heard about. I implicitly trust the Brewers to find pitching and think your last paragraph is exactly how it plays out. 

[CheezWizHed]

2 hours ago, Brock Beauchamp said:

Ah, okay.

Anyone can choose to believe me or not but we’re part of a group that has been referenced by MLBTR, Passan, Heyman, et al for breaking coverage. And we don’t really try to break news, we focus on coverage. That’s why I’m cagey about saying what team and what player. I don’t want to get it wrong and only mention the things I’m confident that have happened.

Any reference to HighHeat isn't an indication of anyone doubting you.  It is more of a running gag... He was so over the top in trying to convince people he had a source inside the Brewer's FO that he obtained cult joke status.  

[TURBO]

1 hour ago, CheezWizHed said:

Any reference to HighHeat isn't an indication of anyone doubting you.  It is more of a running gag... He was so over the top in trying to convince people he had a source inside the Brewer's FO that he obtained cult joke status.  

Over the top, yet had a lot of posters here fooled...

[BrewerFan]

On 12/19/2023 at 2:41 PM, nate82 said:

The Red Sox wouldn’t have any interest in Adames.  You would have to take Story back in that trade along with Mayer not being in the trade.  The Red Sox would have 0 interest in including Mayer in a Burnes and Adames trade.

Why would you HAVE to take Story back and exclude Mayer from the trade? Story can play 2B(which he's mostly played in Boston). They got .599 and .633 OPS out of their SS/2B combo last year. 

And I don't think you have to exclude Mayer from the deal, but maybe expand it. Williams perhaps.

They also have Rafaela who draws comps to Mookie Betts and can play CF, SS, 2B, 3B and play them all at a high level AND hit...and he's MLB-ready. 

There are a plenty of trades with Boston that'd work;

Rafaela, Wikelman Gonzalez(seems like an ideal candidate for our pitching development with plus stuff), and Whitlock has a big ceiling and could certainly help.

Hell, if they end up investing in another pitcher, Sale could be a potential trade option. 

 

There's plenty of talent in Boston. I just can't tell what direction they're moving in. The Betts trade, letting Xander leave...they seem half in, half out, but Burnes and Adames both seem like great fits for them and we can certainly add plenty of players for our system. 

 

[BrewerFan]

6 hours ago, Brock Beauchamp said:

Burnes wouldn’t get Lee in a straight-up trade.

I’ve said for a long time that Brewers fans are going to be disappointed with the Burnes return. He’s not going to net a top 50 prospect in the upper minors, which Lee is.

That doesn’t mean the Brewers shouldn’t trade Burnes, though. They’re going to need good players in 2026, too.

This is also part of the reason why I was clamoring for the Brewers to trade one of the big three last offseason. Now look where we are. 

I have zero doubt the Brewers could get a top 50 prospect for Burnes. This isn't like the Hader talks(where I agreed, we'd end up disappointed). Burnes is an Ace on the final year of his deal...so in a contract year and he's an incredible talent. 

They(Brewers fans) may be disappointed because I remember talk of Jackson Holliday and Grayson Rodriguez last year, but there's definitely a happy medium. 

I think the Phillies are the exact type of team that'd be willing to trade a Painter or an Abel for Burnes and since they lost Kimbrel, maybe you include Williams to pry Painter away. Again, make it a larger deal. They could also use a LFer...

So Burnes, Williams, Mitchell for Painter, McGarry? 

Gives you a risky potential Ace(not much risk, just a TJ). And then gives you an elite arm that needs to be refined.

Maybe the Phills are desperate enough to do it...and with Harper playing 1B, Schwarber at DH...they go all in this year trying to win. And then...they're trying to sign Yamamoto, so...

 

They're aggressively pursuing Yamamoto at the moment, but if they miss out, they may want to bolster both their rotation with a dominant starter to go with Nola and Wheeler, pushing Walker into the 4th slot and Suarez into the 5th and Sanchez into their pen.

[Playing Catch]

I'm surprised people wouldn't like Festa and Prielipp. I think that would be a sound baseline for a Burnes trade. I agree though, that unless they will be getting back 2024 pitching, there's no point of taking back Polanco. Although one could just turn around and trade Polanco for something else, I suppose.

[Lloyd330]

11 hours ago, wibadgers23 said:

Old poster from many years ago who claimed to have an inside source and ended up being completely full of it.  Fun times.  Did create some fun conversations though.

Dont forget BrewerWorld

[CheeseheadInQC]

10 hours ago, Brock Beauchamp said:

Your final paragraph is why I’m intrigued by the conversations I’ve heard about. I implicitly trust the Brewers to find pitching and think your last paragraph is exactly how it plays out. 

I tried to put together something like the Twins package but from another team (if that Twins package was supposed to indicate the type of deal they were considering). If it is just for Burnes, the closest I could come up with was Povich, McDermott and Ramon Urias from Baltimore.

[Scooterfletcher]

51 minutes ago, CheeseheadInQC said:

I tried to put together something like the Twins package but from another team (if that Twins package was supposed to indicate the type of deal they were considering). If it is just for Burnes, the closest I could come up with was Povich, McDermott and Ramon Urias from Baltimore.

Take out Urias insert Ortiz and I’d probably take that deal (and Baltimore probably would too).

[nate82]

8 hours ago, BrewerFan said:

Why would you HAVE to take Story back and exclude Mayer from the trade?

Because the Red Sox have no interest in trading Mayer.  It is literally in what you quoted.  The inclusion of Story is because Adames basically fills the same role Story does for them.  I don't see the Red Sox having any interest in trading for Adames and this gives Adames negative value to the Red Sox.  Note this is not me saying Adames has negative value just that he has negative value to the Red Sox.  Adames has positive value just not to the Red Sox. 

The only way I see the Red Sox giving up Mayer is if you are trading Peralta. 

[BlazingGunz]

The more I research Ceddanne Rafaela, the more I think he fits.   Possible GG at multiple positions - hit/power tools improving, only 23.  I could see him being our 2B, with Turang at SS if we trade Willy.   I could also see him being included with Wikelman Gonzalez and either Houck/Whitlock/Crawford as the MLB piece.   Wouldn't think you would need to pair Willy in this deal either.  Solves a ton of problems, with tons of upside, and 2024 value to boot.

Burnes for Rafaela, Gonzalez, Houck/Whitlock/Crawford  - Maybe get them to throw in Bobby Dalbec to platoon with Bauers at 1B or something

[Scooterfletcher]

3 minutes ago, BlazingGunz said:

The more I research Ceddanne Rafaela, the more I think he fits.   Possible GG at multiple positions - hit/power tools improving, only 23.  I could see him being our 2B, with Turang at SS if we trade Willy.   I could also see him being included with Wikelman Gonzalez and either Houck/Whitlock/Crawford as the MLB piece.   Wouldn't think you would need to pair Willy in this deal either.  Solves a ton of problems, with tons of upside, and 2024 value to boot.

Burnes for Rafaela, Gonzalez, Houck/Whitlock/Crawford  - Maybe get them to throw in Bobby Dalbec to platoon with Bauers at 1B or something

This would be a bad Burnes pool of players to end up with.  IMHO of course .

[jay87shot]

What about a 3 team deal with the Padres and Giants. The Padres need to shed some payroll and fill some holes and the Giants want a star.

We get= Jackson Merrill, Robby Snelling, Ryan Bergert, Casey Schmidt, Keaton Winn

Padres get= Burnes, Weimer, Elvis Peguero

Giants get= Bogaerts

The Giants get a star only give up 2 prospects, the Padres save cash get an ace and 2 long term pieces. 

We get Winn and Schmidt to help right away, 2 really high end prospects in Merrill and Snelling and an under rated pitcher in Bergert.

[Madhawk23]

43 minutes ago, jay87shot said:

What about a 3 team deal with the Padres and Giants. The Padres need to shed some payroll and fill some holes and the Giants want a star.

We get= Jackson Merrill, Robby Snelling, Ryan Bergert, Casey Schmidt, Keaton Winn

Padres get= Burnes, Weimer, Elvis Peguero

Giants get= Bogaerts

The Giants get a star only give up 2 prospects, the Padres save cash get an ace and 2 long term pieces. 

We get Winn and Schmidt to help right away, 2 really high end prospects in Merrill and Snelling and an under rated pitcher in Bergert.

I like the creativity here, but I'm guessing that one of the Padres or the Giants would say "no" to this deal pretty quickly.  According the trade simulator - the Brewers would be cleaning up with a deal like this.  Also, I'm not sure if the Padres would be willing to give up their current big league SS and their future SS in the same deal here?  Yes, maybe they would like to get out from under the big Bogaerts contract (not sure if they are/aren't?), but if they are - then I'd have to think Merrill would be off-limits for them in any type of a trade.  Instead, I think we'd have to try to get a package of Snelling, Thorpe and Bergert.....and that's obviously not nearly as attractive as having Merrill coming back in the deal.  

[bigred]

On 12/21/2023 at 12:49 AM, BrewerFan said:

Why would you HAVE to take Story back and exclude Mayer from the trade? Story can play 2B(which he's mostly played in Boston). They got .599 and .633 OPS out of their SS/2B combo last year. 

And I don't think you have to exclude Mayer from the deal, but maybe expand it. Williams perhaps.

They also have Rafaela who draws comps to Mookie Betts and can play CF, SS, 2B, 3B and play them all at a high level AND hit...and he's MLB-ready. 

There are a plenty of trades with Boston that'd work;

Rafaela, Wikelman Gonzalez(seems like an ideal candidate for our pitching development with plus stuff), and Whitlock has a big ceiling and could certainly help.

Hell, if they end up investing in another pitcher, Sale could be a potential trade option. 

 

There's plenty of talent in Boston. I just can't tell what direction they're moving in. The Betts trade, letting Xander leave...they seem half in, half out, but Burnes and Adames both seem like great fits for them and we can certainly add plenty of players for our system. 

 

I think Blaze Jordan could also be a promising piece to get, if Boston traded for Burnes. 

[BrewerFan]

13 hours ago, bigred said:

I think Blaze Jordan could also be a promising piece to get, if Boston traded for Burnes. 

Sure...the reports look interesting. I also like Whitlock and a few other arms they have. Not enough to be significant pieces in a Burnes trade though. Whitlock just feels like the type of guy the Brewers could work wonders with. 

[jay87shot]

On 1/2/2024 at 11:37 AM, Madhawk23 said:

I like the creativity here, but I'm guessing that one of the Padres or the Giants would say "no" to this deal pretty quickly.  According the trade simulator - the Brewers would be cleaning up with a deal like this.  Also, I'm not sure if the Padres would be willing to give up their current big league SS and their future SS in the same deal here?  Yes, maybe they would like to get out from under the big Bogaerts contract (not sure if they are/aren't?), but if they are - then I'd have to think Merrill would be off-limits for them in any type of a trade.  Instead, I think we'd have to try to get a package of Snelling, Thorpe and Bergert.....and that's obviously not nearly as attractive as having Merrill coming back in the deal.  

Good point on the Pads not giving up both Bogearts and Merrill, maybe swap Boogy for Machado maybe Tatis. The Pads do have Kim who could play SS but he is free agent after this year. I am sure there are lots of alterations that could be made.