Taylor, Houser to NYM

[Fear The Chorizo]

I think the flip side of this trade is how Mets fans have to be feeling about Stearns continuing to stockpile guys that had permanently occupied the bottom of the Milwaukee Brewers MLB roster in recent seasons. 

[Hooker78]

16 minutes ago, markedman5 said:

 

Athletic, consistent delivery, great control, high spin rate and lots of movement. Sound like the exact type of kid you buy low on. If he wasn’t injured you don’t get him for the guys we traded for him. A 22yr old with mid-rotation potential for two guys that have no future and are easily replaced. If Crow gets healthy and lives up to potential we’ll be wondering how we stole him for so cheap a couple of years from now. 

[wiguy94]

1 minute ago, mudbutt said:

No I will go back to the original point of saying carrying a guy on the 26 man roster who can't actually play is stupid.

He wouldn't be on the 26 man roster...he would be on the 60 day IL...

[Frisbee Slider]

4 minutes ago, TURBO said:

but the return is really unimpressive.

Is it possible Mets fans are saying the same thing about slightly above average TT and Houser?

[TURBO]

Just now, Frisbee Slider said:

Is it possible Mets fans are saying the same thing about slightly above average TT and Houser?

More than likely...

[Ro Mueller]

Isn’t 1 WAR worth like $6 million, which would mean that Houser and Taylor are underpaid Major Leaguers? I feel cheated.

[wallus]

I feel like a signing of Santana is going to happen after this

[Hooker78]

4 minutes ago, TURBO said:

The move is a salary dump, I get it, but the return is really unimpressive.

I'm hoping that they know what they are doing,  but the rotation is a worry, and as of now, it's even more of a worry than it was this morning.

Hopefully there is something else going down to address the rotation.

They’re consistent success would indicate they seem to know what they’re doing. 
 

Current Rotation

Burnes, Peralta, Miley, Rae, Ross.

Add Gasser, Junk, and Ashby to the mix.

Houser basically is the same tier as everyone after Miley. Plenty of arms to replace what he was going to give you for $6million. 

[wiguy94]

3 minutes ago, Frisbee Slider said:

Is it possible Mets fans are saying the same thing about slightly above average TT and Houser?

I mean I would certainly be annoyed if I was them. They have the money to get guys like these in FA and not pinch pennies. 

[Matt Breen]

2 minutes ago, wallus said:

I feel like a signing of Santana is going to happen after this

I feel the same way...

[mudbutt]

4 minutes ago, wiguy94 said:

He wouldn't be on the 26 man roster...he would be on the 60 day IL...

Are you thinking the 90 days gets counted during the offseason?  It doesn't.  He has to be on the 26 man roster which means the Brewers would be playing a man down for 90 days in during the season.  After that he could go to the 60 day IL yes.

[Matt Breen]

Maybe Pete Alonso is a PTBNL in this deal that we just haven't heard about.

[Sixtolezcano]

29 minutes ago, markedman5 said:

 

Wow, it seems we should have traded Burnes for him straight up with this information.

[wiguy94]

7 minutes ago, mudbutt said:

Are you thinking the 90 days gets counted during the offseason?  It doesn't.  He has to be on the 26 man roster which means the Brewers would be playing a man down for 90 days in during the season.  After that he could go to the 60 day IL yes.

You very clearly don't know what you're talking about. 

[tmwiese55]

7 minutes ago, TURBO said:

The move is a salary dump, I get it, but the return is really unimpressive.

I'm hoping that they know what they are doing,  but the rotation is a worry, and as of now, it's even more of a worry than it was this morning.

Hopefully there is something else going down to address the rotation.

Yea I generally give benefit of the doubt especially when it comes to their views on grabbing unknown pitchers they see something in, they have the track record on it to earn it.   But in this case you're getting a guy with TJ, even assuming they like what they see he is on TJ and out all next year. TJ is not nothing. With the Brewers expert eye on pitchers like this you'd think they could find similar other guys not on TJ to add here and there.  But of course, hopefully this pans out 2-3 years down the line to get something out of it.

But yes the rotation here is the thing.  Assume Burnes is gone you have Peralta, Miley as your only reliable (one who is old so can't really bank on 30 starts).  Then you're to Gasser, Rea, Ross?  That is very very weak, especially on a team with a weak O.  And that's just your top 5, you need at least 7 guys due to injury.  I keep seeing people say well internet says Gasser can replace him.  OK, but what about Houser being better than Rea, Ross and then whoever the next two guys are they have to trot out there 10-15 times at least.    As you said, hopefully something else is coming in on this front or this makes little sense given the light return, other than saving money.    Sure we have to trust them on their pitcher eye a bit on the guy they acquired here, but sure seems if you weren't getting more back than this you'd have been better off keeping them.    But, its early we'll see what other SPs come in and what else this money is spent on.   Also for those keeping on about needing OF roster spots, Yeli lots of DH and Weimer would just go to AAA since he can't hit as of now and all guys have options to go up and down based on performance/injury. It wasn't neeeeded right now. But maybe a DH type is coming in soon

[Brewcrew82]

1 minute ago, tmwiese55 said:

Yea I generally give benefit of the doubt especially when it comes to their views on grabbing unknown pitchers they see something in, they have the track record on it to earn it.   But in this case you're getting a guy with TJ, even assuming they like what they see he is on TJ and out all next year. TJ is not nothing. With the Brewers expert eye on pitchers like this you'd think they could find similar other guys not on TJ to add here and there.  But of course, hopefully this pans out 2-3 years down the line to get something out of it.

But yes the rotation here is the thing.  Assume Burnes is gone you have Peralta, Miley as your only reliable (one who is old so can't really bank on 30 starts).  Then you're to Gasser, Rea, Ross?  That is very very weak, especially on a team with a weak O.  And that's just your top 5, you need at least 7 guys due to injury.  I keep seeing people say well internet says Gasser can replace him.  OK, but what about Houser being better than Rea, Ross and then whoever the next two guys are they have to trot out there 10-15 times at least.    As you said, hopefully something else is coming in on this front or this makes little sense given the light return, other than saving money.    Sure we have to trust them on their pitcher eye a bit on the guy they acquired here, but sure seems if you weren't getting more back than this you'd have been better off keeping them.    But, its early we'll see what other SPs come in and what else this money is spent on.   Also for those keeping on about needing OF roster spots, Yeli lots of DH and Weimer would just go to AAA since he can't hit as of now and all guys have options to go up and down based on performance/injury. It wasn't neeeeded right now. But maybe a DH type is coming in soon

Steamer projects Rea to be better than Houser, too....

[mudbutt]

1 minute ago, wiguy94 said:

You very clearly don't know what you're talking about. 

Clearly you don't know Rule 5 draft rules.  They closed the loophole of drafting guys and making up injuries to stash them on the 60 IL many years ago.

[True Blue Brew Crew]

Maybe they'll use the $7.3M saved to introduce and market a new racing sausage

[Samurai Bucky]

4 minutes ago, tmwiese55 said:

Assume Burnes is gone...

Maybe this is another indicator that Burnes will be with the team at Spring Training?

If the team falters mid-season, he will be traded.

[wiguy94]

1 minute ago, mudbutt said:

Clearly you don't know Rule 5 draft rules.  They closed the loophole of drafting guys and making up injuries to stash them on the 60 IL many years ago.

You're just making yourself look silly because you clearly don't know the rules.

[homer]

Just now, wiguy94 said:

You're just making yourself look silly because you clearly don't know the rules.

Guys - you can discuss this without the insults. 

[wiguy94]

1 minute ago, homer said:

Guys - you can discuss this without the insults. 

Good joke homer!

[mudbutt]

3 minutes ago, wiguy94 said:

You're just making yourself look silly because you clearly don't know the rules.

https://www.mlb.com/glossary/transactions/rule-5-draft

"A Rule 5 Draft pick can be placed on the Major League injured list, but he must be active for a minimum of 90 days to avoid being subject to the aforementioned roster restrictions in the next campaign."

[CheeseheadInQC]

I am also hoping this means they are confident that Ashby’s velocity is back and he will be ready to go.

The Brewers did acquire a number of guys with higher ceilings than Houser, but there is a lot of risk there. If they were going to move Houser I kind of wish it was closer to the start of the season when they have at least slightly more info on health factors.

[DR28]

27 minutes ago, wallus said:

I feel like a signing of Santana is going to happen after this

We can sign Santana without making this trade.... This saved $ better be going to Hoskins.