Packers 2024 Off-Season Thread

[HarryDoyle]

Probably going to see him in Dallas.

[homer]

I mean come on:

 

 

[homer]

Just now, HarryDoyle said:

Probably going to see him in Dallas.

or KC

[OldSchoolSnapper]

I do get it, even if the fan in me doesn't like it. They were trying to restructure, it wasn't going well, once they saw options and pricing on the FA market they probably decided that was better to get another explosive playmaker who is 4 years younger. Jones then lost any leverage. 

It's hard to watch when it's your favorite players but it is a shrewd move. I've spent a long time listening to fans criticize the Packers for not moving on or paying a guy one contract too many. They've generally been good at timing these sorts of things. Always sucks, but I get why it happened.

[homer]

Jacobs is a big downgrade from Jones. Splitting time would have been ideal.

[Brewin]

1 minute ago, homer said:

Jacobs is a big downgrade from Jones. Splitting time would have been ideal.

Jacobs isn't a "big downgrade" from Jones at all. He's been more productive, healthier, and is significantly younger. He's likely to be more productive outside of the LV dumpster fire. I get the fan viewpoint reaction, but that is just not an accurate take...

[HarveysWBs]

Well, it is Jordan Love’s locker room now. No one else had the kind of cachet Jones did, especially on offense. Truly an end of an era now, and I’m sorry to see it go. I understand the why, there are reasons for the rule of the running back expiration date at 30, but Jones seems like the kind of guy who could drag the hands of the clock backwards for another year or two. I would have liked him for one more season as the team completely transitions into Love’s hands, but resources aren’t endless.

It’ll be interesting to see what happens next.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

6 minutes ago, Brewin said:

Jacobs isn't a "big downgrade" from Jones at all. He's been more productive, healthier, and is significantly younger. He's likely to be more productive outside of the LV dumpster fire. I get the fan viewpoint reaction, but that is just not an accurate take...

Jacobs from 2 years ago is better than Jones, but I'd be hard pressed to say he's more productive than Jones. 

When Jones isn't banged up I honestly don't know that he's not a top 3 RB in the NFL. He does everything. He is incredibly explosive. He turns negative plays into 10-yard runs.  The only thing keeping his production down when healthy is the number of touches they choose to give him. A career YPC of 5 is insanely good for a back that's been around that long.

I don't think it's productivity so much as it is age and health. Jones missed a LOT of time last year. They were really bad when he was out. They have to consider his reliability at 29/30 especially when putting the weight of a championship on his shoulders. 

I think it  has more to do with that than any productivity drop off. Jones was still so, so good down the stretch.

[homer]

7 minutes ago, Brewin said:

Jacobs isn't a "big downgrade" from Jones at all. He's been more productive, healthier, and is significantly younger. He's likely to be more productive outside of the LV dumpster fire. I get the fan viewpoint reaction, but that is just not an accurate take...

I disagree. And that's why I said a split would have been best since it would have eased the burden on Jones. I hope they make another move to get someone to complement Jacobs.

[homer]

4 minutes ago, OldSchoolSnapper said:

Jacobs from 2 years ago is better than Jones, but I'd be hard pressed to say he's more productive than Jones. 

When Jones isn't banged up I honestly don't know that he's not a top 3 RB in the NFL. He does everything. He is incredibly explosive. He turns negative plays into 10-yard runs.  The only thing keeping his production down when healthy is the number of touches they choose to give him. A career YPC of 5 is insanely good for a back that's been around that long.

I don't think it's productivity so much as it is age and health. Jones missed a LOT of time last year. They were really bad when he was out. They have to consider his reliability at 29/30 especially when putting the weight of a championship on his shoulders. 

I think it  has more to do with that than any productivity drop off. Jones was still so, so good down the stretch.

Jacobs was flat out bad last year. Injuries? Bad team? Bad coaching? I dunno. 

[Brewin]

3 minutes ago, OldSchoolSnapper said:

Jacobs from 2 years ago is better than Jones, but I'd be hard pressed to say he's more productive than Jones. 

When Jones isn't banged up I honestly don't know that he's not a top 3 RB in the NFL. He does everything. He is incredibly explosive. He turns negative plays into 10-yard runs.  The only thing keeping his production down when healthy is the number of touches they choose to give him. A career YPC of 5 is insanely good for a back that's been around that long.

I don't think it's productivity so much as it is age and health. Jones missed a LOT of time last year. They were really bad when he was out. They have to consider his reliability at 29/30 especially when putting the weight of a championship on his shoulders. 

I think it  has more to do with that than any productivity drop off. Jones was still so, so good down the stretch.

Maybe my context was misleading. I love Aaron Jones as a RB. Unfortunately, despite MLF trying to protecting him to a ridiculous level IMO, he couldn't stay healthy.  Josh Jacobs led the NFL in rushing  two years ago and is significantly younger (especially in NFL RB years)

[homer]

Now we're talkin'

[OldSchoolSnapper]

Well, we're not in Ted's GB anymore, that's for sure.

[Matt Breen]

6 minutes ago, homer said:

Now we're talkin'

There you go. Important slot covered.

[homer]

[Brewin]

43 minutes ago, homer said:

I disagree. And that's why I said a split would have been best since it would have eased the burden on Jones. I hope they make another move to get someone to complement Jacobs.

I just saw the reported contract on Jacobs 4/$48M. At that price he is likely to be the lead back. I'm just hoping they upgrade on Dillon as I'm definitely not a fan of the Mayor of Door County

[RedStickBrew]

51 minutes ago, homer said:

Now we're talkin'

[GAME05]

If it's the right move it's the right move, but I could use some help in understanding the Jones cut. Didn't he only have one year left on his contract? And if it's a $12M cap hit, were we really saving that much from what we'd have been paying him? I totally get not extending him past that, but wouldn't it have been best to let him play one season and then just not re-sign him?

 

[HarryDoyle]

3 minutes ago, GAME05 said:

If it's the right move it's the right move, but I could use some help in understanding the Jones cut. Didn't he only have one year left on his contract? And if it's a $12M cap hit, were we really saving that much from what we'd have been paying him? I totally get not extending him past that, but wouldn't it have been best to let him play one season and then just not re-sign him?

 

Since they couldn't work out a restructured deal, this was probably the move they needed to make to get McKinney in the fold, unfortunately.

[SDBrew fan]

I'm reading Jones had a 17.5M cap hit and 11.1M in salary for this year.  So they're saving 5.2M on the cap and over ten million in cash.  That is all per Packers Wire.

[SeaBass]

I think we're all going to be feeling super lucky to have Jacobs for up to the next 4 years and have gotten such a good deal for him. Injury and a terrible Raiders offense last season suppressed his numbers and made this deal possible. Wow what a signing.

Jones will be missed but I think there's still a chance he could come back if his market isn't what he's thinking it will be. Only takes one team though.

[BrewerFan]

3 hours ago, homer said:

Jacobs is a big downgrade from Jones. Splitting time would have been ideal.

No, he's not. At BEST you could argue when healthy Jones and Jacobs are both pretty good and give a slight edge to Jones, but he is 30 and was declining...as RBs do at 30. Not the best guy to add years to. 

I'll wait to see how much Jacobs got GTD before...grading this deal, but definitely not a big downgrade. 

[BrewerFan]

2 hours ago, GAME05 said:

If it's the right move it's the right move, but I could use some help in understanding the Jones cut. Didn't he only have one year left on his contract? And if it's a $12M cap hit, were we really saving that much from what we'd have been paying him? I totally get not extending him past that, but wouldn't it have been best to let him play one season and then just not re-sign him?

 

17M cap hit, but that's with a void year. He was due 10+M in cash this year and would have had carried a dead cap next year as well. 

So it's not just the 5M dollar difference, it's a 10M+ savings.

2 hours ago, HarryDoyle said:

Since they couldn't work out a restructured deal, this was probably the move they needed to make to get McKinney in the fold, unfortunately.

I don't think they needed to do this to get McKinney in. They'd cleared a lot of cap room with Bakh and Campbell being a post June1 release. 

With what Jacobs will likely get in a SB, they'd have been paying 25M+ on just the RB position this year. That'd be a lot. 

 

Sucks to lose a Packers legend like Jones though...

[thebruce44]

Felt the need to share this:

[LouisEly]

3 hours ago, homer said:

I mean come on:

 

 

Problem is that prior to week 14 he had exactly two games with >10 carries.

Dillon had 36 more rushing attempts than Jones last year.  That's kind of all you need to know about why GB wasn't paying Jones $11.5M in cash this year.

Sucks, but as they say, the best ability is availability.