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Betancourt posted an OPS of .692 that year but was electric in the playoffs, collecting 13 hits (including five extra-base hits) and driving in six. That included a go-ahead RBI single in Game 5 of the National League division series, a game Milwaukee won in extra innings, 3-2.

 

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That's a shame. I loved the guy, he seemed so happy go lucky despite being the worst regular starter on the 2011 team. Never really understood the hate for him, we got exactly what we paid for. Oh well, we'll always have his home run in game 1 of the NLCS. 

(I had apparently blocked out of my memory that we brought him back in 2013 and somehow let him accumulate -2.7 bWAR...)

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All lies!  When will you haters stop?  We all know he is the greatest ever!  That insurance was so he would stay away from baseball so he wouldn’t embarrass all of the HoF with his gaudy numbers!!!!!

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12 minutes ago, owbc said:

That's a shame. I loved the guy, he seemed so happy go lucky despite being the worst regular starter on the 2011 team. Never really understood the hate for him, we got exactly what we paid for. Oh well, we'll always have his home run in game 1 of the NLCS. 

(I had apparently blocked out of my memory that we brought him back in 2013 and somehow let him accumulate -2.7 bWAR...)

-0.1 WAR is what we needed?

.650 OPS is what we needed?

He was rated 37/45 by FanGraphs for SS with 250 PAs. The fact he got nearly 600 PAs and wasn't replaced during the season is one of the bigger blunders since 2007. We chased HRs from the SS position, a stat we surely didn't need to chase on the 2011 team.

I don't dislike Doug Melvin like many do....but Yuni B playing that much all year and never getting replaced was downright insanity. The only other guy getting 550+ PAs that was worse was Alex Gonzalez....A GUY DOUG MELVIN GOT THE NEXT TWO OFFSEASONS!!!.

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8 minutes ago, owbc said:

That's a shame. I loved the guy, he seemed so happy go lucky despite being the worst regular starter on the 2011 team. Never really understood the hate for him, we got exactly what we paid for. Oh well, we'll always have his home run in game 1 of the NLCS. 

(I had apparently blocked out of my memory that we brought him back in 2013 and somehow let him accumulate -2.7 bWAR...)

Man, 1B was quite the position of strength for the 2013 Brew Crew.  You had Juan Francisco(62GS), Yuni B (46 GS), Sean Halton (19 GS), Alex Gonzalez (16 GS), Maldonado (7GS), Lucroy (9GS) and for the other 3 games some guy named Blake Lalli who I cannot remember at all.

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He had the defensive range of a pumpkin.

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25 minutes ago, MrTPlush said:

-0.1 WAR is what we needed?

.650 OPS is what we needed?

He was rated 37/45 by FanGraphs for SS with 250 PAs. The fact he got nearly 600 PAs and wasn't replaced during the season is one of the bigger blunders since 2007. We chased HRs from the SS position, a stat we surely didn't need to chase on the 2011 team.

I don't dislike Doug Melvin like many do....but Yuni B playing that much all year and never getting replaced was downright insanity. The only other guy getting 550+ PAs that was worse was Alex Gonzalez....A GUY DOUG MELVIN GOT THE NEXT TWO OFFSEASONS!!!.

I liked Doug Melvin and thought he was partially responsible for the quick turnaround. By not leaving the cupboards bare and a functioning front office in place it gave Stearns the ability to focus on other things. My only real complain is he didn't value defense nearly as much as he should have. Either that or he had no idea of what to look for.

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1 hour ago, MrTPlush said:

-0.1 WAR is what we needed?

.650 OPS is what we needed?

He was rated 37/45 by FanGraphs for SS with 250 PAs. The fact he got nearly 600 PAs and wasn't replaced during the season is one of the bigger blunders since 2007. We chased HRs from the SS position, a stat we surely didn't need to chase on the 2011 team.

I don't dislike Doug Melvin like many do....but Yuni B playing that much all year and never getting replaced was downright insanity. The only other guy getting 550+ PAs that was worse was Alex Gonzalez....A GUY DOUG MELVIN GOT THE NEXT TWO OFFSEASONS!!!.

I said we got what we paid for. If we needed something better than a .650 OPS then we shouldn't have signed a guy with a sub-.700 career OPS. 

Not defending Melvin at all here, all I'm saying is that Yuni B showed up every day to play in 2011 with a positive attitude and put up a performance that was right in line with his career averages. I liked his smile. He seemed like a good teammate. 

One look at the guy told you he wasn't born to be a shortstop, but he just did what was asked of him. 

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Yuni was the man.

Dude had a 3.3 walk rate for his career. He'd hack at anything. If the ball was hit right to him, he was fine. But he had zero range - especially as he got a bit older and put on some weight. It was brutal. 

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7 hours ago, homer said:

He had the defensive range of a pumpkin.

Maybe a small gourd...pumpkins can get pretty wide, even wider than YuniB in a "defensive" stance....

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15 hours ago, reillymcshane said:

Dude had a 3.3 walk rate for his career. He'd hack at anything. If the ball was hit right to him, he was fine. But he had zero range - especially as he got a bit older and put on some weight. It was brutal. 

There are certain players that are lucky they existed before teams figured out how much SS talent there was in Latin America. A meer decade was the difference between making $16mil and $0 playing baseball for him.

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11 hours ago, Cool Hand Lucroy said:

Except he might have been our best offensive player in the 2011 playoffs. Just a tribute to the randomness of baseball, Yuni B being an October monster.

No, that title definitely goes to cream and lozenges boy. He had an OPS well over 1.000 that year in the postseason if I recall right. It was part of the reason he didn't look too great in retrospect because he had the bonkers performance to go with the positive PED test. 

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18 minutes ago, MrTPlush said:

There are certain players that are lucky they existed before teams figured out how much SS talent there was in Latin America. A meer decade was the difference between making $16mil and $0 playing baseball for him.

Are we still talking about Bentancourt? Because half the shortstops in MLB were from Latin America in 2011.

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1 minute ago, homer said:

Are we still talking about Bentancourt? Because half the shortstops in MLB were from Latin America in 2011.

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Yah, but look when they debuted. A lot of those guys were in their first year or two. That is about right when the explosion of Latin players started. A lot more investment by teams and probably partially them learning how to scout them. I also wouldn't really consider Cuba the Latin America that I am referring to and where most of them come from (DR and Ven). Back then Alcides Escobar was a Top 25 prospect in MLB (I think)...he probably wouldn't crack the Top 50 at his position in 2024. 

Just a very different position...used to be the worst, now arguably the most talented position in baseball. You basically have to be a defensive wiz and mash to stay at SS.

 

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1 hour ago, MrTPlush said:

Yah, but look when they debuted. A lot of those guys were in their first year or two. That is about right when the explosion of Latin players started. A lot more investment by teams and probably partially them learning how to scout them. I also wouldn't really consider Cuba the Latin America that I am referring to and where most of them come from (DR and Ven). Back then Alcides Escobar was a Top 25 prospect in MLB (I think)...he probably wouldn't crack the Top 50 at his position in 2024. 

Just a very different position...used to be the worst, now arguably the most talented position in baseball. You basically have to be a defensive wiz and mash to stay at SS.

 

You have to go back a lot further than that. Probably the mid 90's. This is 2000 (if anyone wants to feel old, Royce Clayton is 54):

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1 hour ago, homer said:

You have to go back a lot further than that. Probably the mid 90's. This is 2000 (if anyone wants to feel old, Royce Clayton is 54):

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Sure, there has been plenty of Latin talent for decades, but that has certainly increased greatly in the last 10-15 years as teams really ramped up investment there. SS has certainly seen a huge increase, though some of that is hard to quantify because there is so much depth in the minors many guys get moved off of the position before ever reaching the majors. It is just about impossible in the year 2024 to be anything outside of plus-defense at SS and stay there all the way to MLB. 

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Wow those 2013 1B...the horrors.

We need to find that clip of Weeks and Yuni B turning that crazy DP. His smile after even he was shocked lol. 

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