Brewers (Ross) vs Marlins (Weathers): 5/20/24, 5:40pm

[jason21nl]

I’m done with Murphy and Adames.   Sure he’s a good clubhouse guy but that only goes so far.   

[BruisedCrew]

2 minutes ago, Soupbone said:

It was a terrible passed ball by Sanchez. Don’t forget that. 

The base was stolen. Sanchez isn’t throwing out anyone that doesn’t have a piano on his back. 

[Bulldogboy]

You really can't overcome the constant managerial mistakes. It's just day in and day out. What's Phil Garner up to?

[young guns]

Why weren't we at dp depth?  Walking the 2 was the right call, but you just knew bell was going to get a hit, though could have been a dp with the infield back.

[shanedog19]

If the Brewers are playing at regular depth that Bell ground ball is likely a double play. 

[Jopal78]

16 minutes ago, adambr2 said:

Murphy was an absolutely terrible hiring. He is in way over his head. The in-game decisions are next level bad. 

His starter left after 1 inning. He pushed all the right buttons (including Bench Guy Monasterio with a homer) and his closer blew the save. What’s he supposed to do? He sets his lineups so his best hitters will get the most at bats. If you want to criticize  Adames or trying to keep a couple arms he used yesterday fresh for the rest of the series, or defensive positioning, I think we are in nitpick territory 

[Bulldogboy]

1 minute ago, young guns said:

Why weren't we at dp depth?  Walking the 2 was the right call, but you just knew bell was going to get a hit, though could have been a dp with the infield back.

Fact. You play for dp up the middle. Murphy ball sucks.

[SomewhereInTime]

Can ship Chourio back to the minors any day now.  If he's not willing to dive for a ball to win a game, put someone in right field who will.

[Cool Hand Lucroy]

I mean, it's one game, so whatever.

But some of the decision-making is just inexcusable. There's a strikeout pitcher on the mound who can't throw strikes, and you give him an out. You're playing the outfield in Ft. Lauderdale when a bloop hit ties the game as much as a rocket overall your head. Then you're playing the infield in when a double play is pretty much your only shot. I know you want to cut the run at home, but that's a ground ball to second base with a guy who you can double up.

And this is all year long with this stuff. I generally think clubhouse style is underrated and matters a lot more than people think. But you cannot make decisions this bad. You cannot have zero real bullpen or lineup philosophy. I like Murphy, but he sure seems like a career bench coach for a reason.

[BCF]

Biggest issue with the bunt was the fact the guy just walked Yelich on 4 pitches and was 2-0 count to Ortiz. At least make him throw a strike first

Anyways the game should have been over if Jackson wasn’t lazy in the OF a couple times in the 9th. He deserves to sit tomorrow for that 

[Cool Hand Lucroy]

Just now, Jopal78 said:

His starter left after 1 inning. He pushed all the right buttons (including Bench Guy Monasterio with a homer) and his closer blew the save. What’s he supposed to do? He sets his lineups so his best hitters will get the most at bats. If you want to criticize  Adames or trying to keep a couple arms he used yesterday fresh for the rest of the series, I think we are in nitpick territory 

His closer gave up two fly balls, at least one of which should've been turned into an out, and would've if the OFers weren't playing to prevent a home run from being hit over their heads.

[adambr2]

Just now, Jopal78 said:

His starter left after 1 inning. He pushed all the right buttons (including Bench Guy Monasterio with a homer) and his closer blew the save. What’s he supposed to do? He sets his lineups so his best hitters will get the most at bats. If you want to criticize  Adames or trying to keep a couple arms he used yesterday fresh for the rest of the series, I think we are in nitpick territory 

Calling for a sac bunt on a 2-0 count, when the pitcher can't throw a strike and you have a guy in a horrible slump on deck, followed by not having your defense at double play depth with a chance to get to the 11th, and losing the game with the infield in for no rational reason, is next level bad. 

[Cool Hand Lucroy]

I mean, you also probably need more than one run to win because even Megill might give one up with the Manfred runner. And then you've got Mitch White coming in. I just think playing for one there is bad generally and especially when the guy hasn't sniffed the strike zone.

[BCF]

1 minute ago, Cool Hand Lucroy said:

I mean, it's one game, so whatever.

But some of the decision-making is just inexcusable. There's a strikeout pitcher on the mound who can't throw strikes, and you give him an out. You're playing the outfield in Ft. Lauderdale when a bloop hit ties the game as much as a rocket overall your head. Then you're playing the infield in when a double play is pretty much your only shot. I know you want to cut the run at home, but that's a ground ball to second base with a guy who you can double up.

And this is all year long with this stuff. I generally think clubhouse style is underrated and matters a lot more than people think. But you cannot make decisions this bad. You cannot have zero real bullpen or lineup philosophy. I like Murphy, but he sure seems like a career bench coach for a reason.

You can criticize Murphy all you want in the 10th for his stupid decisions but the game would have been over if Chourio would have showed one ounce of effort going for those fly balls. He played lazy and when you can’t hit you should at least go all out in the outfield 

[Bulldogboy]

The biggest thing with Murphy is there is no real philosophy. Some times they run sometimes they don't. Sometimes they pitching early sometimes they don't. Sometimes they pinch hit guys sometimes they don't. The one constant is Adames in the lineup hitting 4 spots higher than he should be.

[BCF]

Just now, Bulldogboy said:

The biggest thing with Murphy is there is no real philosophy. Some times they run sometimes they don't. Sometimes they pitching early sometimes they don't. Sometimes they pinch hit guys sometimes they don't. The one constant is Adames in the lineup hitting 4 spots higher than he should be.

Why aren’t you going after JC for his lazy play? It’s inexcusable and cost them the game 

[Cool Hand Lucroy]

Just now, Bulldogboy said:

The biggest thing with Murphy is there is no real philosophy. Some times they run sometimes they don't. Sometimes they pitching early sometimes they don't. Sometimes they pinch hit guys sometimes they don't. The one constant is Adames in the lineup hitting 4 spots higher than he should be.

Yeah, I think this is right on. I can't figure the guy out. It's a lot of gut feeling stuff that's fine on margin calls that arise out of an overall strategic outlook, but not in the haphazard way they're currently executed.

[edfunderburk]

Murphy is the first Brewers manager I’ve disliked since Ken Macha

I’m not sure that will ever change 

I don’t believe this team can win with him at the helm

I never felt this way with Counsell as manager - always trusted him to strategically outsmart the other team 

[yourout]

2 minutes ago, edfunderburk said:

Murphy is the first Brewers manager I’ve disliked since Ken Macha

I’m not sure that will ever change 

I don’t believe this team can win with him at the helm

I never felt this way with Counsell as manager - always trusted him to strategically outsmart the other team 

Except in the playoffs.

[Bulldogboy]

3 minutes ago, BCF said:

Why aren’t you going after JC for his lazy play? It’s inexcusable and cost them the game 

JC should have dove for that no question. That said mistakes were made on offense and defense afterwards that were directed by Murphy. He started Joey Weimer tonight. He is not doing a great job.

[Jopal78]

7 minutes ago, edfunderburk said:

Murphy is the first Brewers manager I’ve disliked since Ken Macha

I’m not sure that will ever change 

I don’t believe this team can win with him at the helm

I never felt this way with Counsell as manager - always trusted him to strategically outsmart the other team 

They’ll wake up tomorrow in first place, so the criticism is they should be winning even more?

Murphy literally has a rotation primarily filled with bullpen arms and cast offs; he has at least a half dozen first year players. He’s used 22 pitchers and it’s not even Memorial Day, his all world closer has been injured all season, their former NL MVP has missed a large chunk of time. Yet, he has them in first place and is getting more than anyone expected out of guys like Hudson, Wilson, Bauers, etc. Maybe Murphy deserves a little credit 

[folly412]

3 minutes ago, jason21nl said:

I’m done with Murphy and Adames.   Sure he’s a good clubhouse guy but that only goes so far.   

That it's a position of strength is more frustrating.  Ortiz couldn't stay in the lineup until last week.  Monasterio would be a fine utility guy, but has bounced between never playing and AAA.  Miller, Dunn, Black are all infield depth.  Part of that is mismanagement from Murph.  But if any reasonable return is offered for Adames he should be dealt.  It's not sacrificing much (if anything) now, and it's just better for the future.

[Brewcrew82]

FWIW, statcast had the Chourio play as a 0% catch probability. Yeah, he should’ve probably dove in the end, but he was able to get close because of his speed.

[brewers888]

14 minutes ago, Jopal78 said:

His starter left after 1 inning. He pushed all the right buttons (including Bench Guy Monasterio with a homer) and his closer blew the save. What’s he supposed to do? He sets his lineups so his best hitters will get the most at bats. If you want to criticize  Adames or trying to keep a couple arms he used yesterday fresh for the rest of the series, or defensive positioning, I think we are in nitpick territory 

You don’t have Yelich and Ortiz bunting in that spot. Only reason why Yelich didn’t give away an out is because the guy couldn’t throw it anywhere near the plate.

[BCF]

3 minutes ago, Bulldogboy said:

JC should have dove for that no question. That said mistakes were made on offense and defense afterwards that were directed by Murphy. He started Joey Weimer tonight. He is not doing a great job.

He didn’t even have to dive! He literally got to it and then backed up. If he would have kept going he would have absolutely had caught that without diving. The guy shouldn’t be on the major league roster