Brewers aquire Aaron Civale from the Rays for infielder Gregory Barrios

[Jim French Stepstool]

Overall, I like the move. I speculated about the depth of middle INF from high-A all the way down to rookie ball as being a source of strength to deal from. At one time Barrios seemed to be middling as a prospect but really saw his stock soar with a nice season so far, and we parlayed that 3 month "bull market" of a season into a ML-ready starter. Well done. You would think this certainly opens the door for a Pratt promotion & subsequent increased role for teenager Di Turi in Carolina.

Count me among those hoping this leads to Wilson moving to the pen. That's up to Keuchel & whether his outing yesterday will be closer to the norm. Anxious to see what they have in store for Hall, too.

[rickh150]

I have no idea how we deal with the rotation/bullpen when several guys come back from injuries….Williams, Koenig, Hall. Bukauskas.
 

Rob Z is likely gone. Pegeuro and Milner can be optioned, but can hardly see that happening…..have interesting decisions/phantom injuries to come.
 

[wiguy94]

27 minutes ago, reillymcshane said:

Seems like a solid move.

I'm wondering if Wilson gets moved back to relief. MLB trade rumors did look at him - and some other relievers converted to starter.

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2024/07/checking-in-on-2024s-reliever-to-rotation-experiments-july-edition.html

One big thing: 

"he’s run into troubles the third time through the order; in 45 such plate appearances, they’ve posted a Herculean .400/.467/.650 slash. Those plate appearances account for just 13.6% of Wilson’s batters faced this season but have resulted in 21.5% of his home runs allowed."

Basically they say he's better off in long relief - which may be the move we make. But we shall see. 

He also has crazy R/L platoon splits. RHH are slashing .209/.270/.331 against him while LHH are slashing .284/.368/.515 against him. Getting him back into a long relief role where he doesn't need to see a lineup multiple times and where you could protect him a bit better against LHH should be huge for him.

[wiguy94]

24 minutes ago, Jim French Stepstool said:

Overall, I like the move. I speculated about the depth of middle INF from high-A all the way down to rookie ball as being a source of strength to deal from. At one time Barrios seemed to be middling as a prospect but really saw his stock soar with a nice season so far, and we parlayed that 3 month "bull market" of a season into a ML-ready starter. Well done. You would think this certainly opens the door for a Pratt promotion & subsequent increased role for teenager Di Turi in Carolina.

Count me among those hoping this leads to Wilson moving to the pen. That's up to Keuchel & whether his outing yesterday will be closer to the norm. Anxious to see what they have in store for Hall, too.

I'm not feeling great about Hall having an impact in the MLB this season. While his velo has improved these last couple outings in AAA, the FB shape has still been really bad and he's getting basically no whiffs with the FB (14% whiff rate in the last 3 outings). Unless that velo keeps improving or the shape gets better, I think he's going to be bad in the MLB.

[TURBO]

Losing Barrios saddens me, as a regular Timber Rattler attendee, he became my favorite player this year.

My first reaction was anger and dismay, then I settled in and decided I just don't like the deal but accept it.

I am also wondering if that is the final addition to the rotation?

 

[StearnsFTW]

26 minutes ago, TURBO said:

Losing Barrios saddens me, as a regular Timber Rattler attendee, he became my favorite player this year.

My first reaction was anger and dismay, then I settled in and decided I just don't like the deal but accept it.

I am also wondering if that is the final addition to the rotation?

 

I like you as a poster, but this is your reaction every trade lol.

The odds of Barrios becoming a Major League regular are what?  5%?  maybe 10%?

Look at it that way maybe.  :)

 

[Jopal78]

3 hours ago, Fear The Chorizo said:

necessary move to add depth to the rotation...hoping it's not the only starter added before end of July.

 

Also, why are the Rays still regarded as a team you "don't want to trade with", assuming they fleece people on every deal?  They're muddling through AL mediocrity and don't show any signs of that changing anytime soon at the moment.   I don't want to give Adames 9 figures to remain a Brewers the next 4-5 seasons, but that trade worked out pretty darn well for the Brewers.

 

The Rays haven’t had a losing season since 2017 and have won 90 or more 4 times since then. All that with one of the smallest payrolls and their cornerstone player (Wander Franco) indefinitely suspended. Maybe they don’t fleece everyone but those results are more than just luck 

[Jopal78]

21 minutes ago, StearnsFTW said:

I like you as a poster, but this is your reaction every trade lol.

The odds of Barrios becoming a Major League regular are what?  5%?  maybe 10%?

Look at it that way maybe.  :)

 

I dunno look at the low level minor leaguers the Brewers traded away in recent seasons and there’s more in the majors than one might realize: Reese Olson, David Hamilton, David Fry. I mean I’m with you I just think the percentage is higher with respect to Brewers youngsters. 

 

 

[Fear The Chorizo]

56 minutes ago, Jopal78 said:

The Rays haven’t had a losing season since 2017 and have won 90 or more 4 times since then. All that with one of the smallest payrolls and their cornerstone player (Wander Franco) indefinitely suspended. Maybe they don’t fleece everyone but those results are more than just luck 

With the exception of the Covid season of 2020, the Brewers haven't had a losing season since 2016 and are on pace for their 4th 90 win season in that stretch, and they are baseball's smallest market.  Both of them have 0 world series titles in their history, too.  

I root for the Rays in the division they are in, but I personally I think they are also a bit overrated as an organization, too.  Now that the Orioles have finally gotten around to trying to win the Rays would probably be best served to burn it all down at the MLB level and restock their farm system for a few seasons.

[TURBO]

1 hour ago, StearnsFTW said:

I like you as a poster, but this is your reaction every trade lol.

The odds of Barrios becoming a Major League regular are what?  5%?  maybe 10%?

Look at it that way maybe.  :)

 

I see a lot of these players on a regular basis up close and in person, which probably causes some attachment.

There is always a little sense of loss with certain players when they get traded away, regardless of the % of them that actually make it to the MLB level.

Barrios was a great player here, super fan friendly, and always looked like he was having fun with his teammates.  With how few guys hit in the 300's these days, it was a joy to watch his hitting approach, and I thought that he was one who is probably going to do great things after leaving Appleton.

[markedman5]

3 hours ago, 82brewcrew82 said:

Not with Koenig down.  I'm all for a phantom "forearm soreness" issue for Pyamps.

Paredes came up with the injury instead…….the way he threw the other night it might not be phantom 

[LouisEly]

Was just reminded that last year Civale was traded to TB for Kyle Manzardo, a consensus top-75 prospect who played in the Futures Game last year.

Getting him for a Barrios seems like a pretty good value. 

[markedman5]

https://fansided.com/posts/mlb-rumors-trade-deadline-latest-braves-brewers-yankees-orioles-more

[wallus]

2 hours ago, StearnsFTW said:

I like you as a poster, but this is your reaction every trade lol.

The odds of Barrios becoming a Major League regular are what?  5%?  maybe 10%?

Look at it that way maybe.  :)

 

Exactly. I bet Turbo will like watching Cooper Pratt in Appleton.

[patrickgpe]

28 minutes ago, LouisEly said:

Was just reminded that last year Civale was traded to TB for Kyle Manzardo, a consensus top-75 prospect who played in the Futures Game last year.

Getting him for a Barrios seems like a pretty good value. 

That’s a good way to think of it. I like it that paves the way for Pratt to be promoted. I was saddened when I first saw his stats not being to aware of him. But as I learned more during the day, I like the move. 

[CheeseheadInQC]

2 hours ago, StearnsFTW said:

I like you as a poster, but this is your reaction every trade lol.

The odds of Barrios becoming a Major League regular are what?  5%?  maybe 10%?

Look at it that way maybe.  :)

 

I have typically been among the highest on him, but I feel like Barrios is getting under rated in this thread. I don’t know where Barrios would fall if I had to make a list now, but the tier he is in would start at 10.

There seems to be no question he can stick at short, and he has been one of the top 20-25 20-and-under hitters in high-A or above this season. He rarely strikes out and while he might never be a big home run threat, his ISO has gone up every season. And even during the depths of his struggles last season, the Brewers never stopped treating him like a significant prospect.

[markedman5]

 

[ClosetBrewerFan]

17 minutes ago, CheeseheadInQC said:

I have typically been among the highest on him, but I feel like Barrios is getting under rated in this thread. I don’t know where Barrios would fall if I had to make a list now, but the tier he is in would start at 10.

There seems to be no question he can stick at short, and he has been one of the top 20-25 20-and-under hitters in high-A or above this season. He rarely strikes out and while he might never be a big home run threat, his ISO has gone up every season. And even during the depths of his struggles last season, the Brewers never stopped treating him like a significant prospect.

I agree.  I had him 16 on my list. Still, this is good value for a SP who is at least a #5 but could be as good as a #3 for this season and next.  Salary is reasonable as well.

[markedman5]

11 minutes ago, ClosetBrewerFan said:

I agree.  I had him 16 on my list. Still, this is good value for a SP who is at least a #5 but could be as good as a #3 for this season and next.  Salary is reasonable as well.

And it’s a position of depth where the Brewers have other young players they like better …… not to mention Turang and Ortiz penciled into the middle infield spots for years to come.

[Cool Hand Lucroy]

9 hours ago, ClosetBrewerFan said:

Im always nervous trading with TB, but this seems like a good trade and surprising we didnt have to give up too much.  I'm very high on Barrios and we may very well regret this trade in a few years, but you have to give to get. Trading from depth is always a good approach.

Agree.

And, hey, I think Tampa (and everyone) should be nervous trading with us. In all seriousness, two teams in MLB consistently outperform market size, payroll, and projections, and it's us and them. Might as well swap with them. Adames trade worked out just fine.

[Jim French Stepstool]

54 minutes ago, markedman5 said:

And it’s a position of depth where the Brewers have other young players they like better …… not to mention Turang and Ortiz penciled into the middle infield spots for years to come.

Exactly. I think Pratt was a big part of the reason they were comfortable with this. Perhaps someday Areinamo allows Turang to move to SS if need be. A Wilkin or Adams could do the same with Ortiz. And they're high enough on Di Turi to send him to Carolina at a very young age. Plus there are some middle INF on the rookie teams that have ranged from pretty good to almost unbelievable. If just one of them proves to be 'for real' and advances.........

And Eric Brown has ample time to right his ship, since he's a 1st round pick. Hopefully it's just a case of the prior health issues stunting his development.

[torts]

I'm glad we got two SP arms for literally $1 and a prospect years away. Civale was solid in Cleveland, maybe it's the lighting in Tampa?

[Stealofhome]

1 hour ago, torts said:

I'm glad we got two SP arms for literally $1 and a prospect years away. 

Do you think all of Matt Arnold's clothing comes from St. Vincent's?

[umphrey]

They could DFA Keuchel and Joe Ross to make room and it wouldn’t bother me. Could get ugly if there are post July injuries though. Not sure what the AAA depth looks like right now and if they could add to the AAA depth before August (send Keuchel there for example or make a trade).

[markedman5]