Packers 2024 Season Thread

[CheezWizHed]

I've flipped flopped on the kicker so many times this TC... Joseph seems to kick more down the middle (for what I've seen anyway), so I was leaning his way.  But then he started choking late in TC, so I assumed Carlson had it buttoned up.  Until Carlson missed the gimme in the last game... 

Ugh... there doesn't look like many better options are going to be on the cut list either. 

[patrickgpe]

I'd love the packers to make a trade with the titans for Brayden Narveson.

 

Maybe see if the brown would trade us Dorien Thompson Robinson or Pats Zappe.

[homer]

6 hours ago, patrickgpe said:

I'd love the packers to make a trade with the titans for Brayden Narveson.

 

Maybe see if the brown would trade us Dorien Thompson Robinson or Pats Zappe.

You had the team right:

 

 

[CheezWizHed]

My final prediction:

Offense (24)

QB (2): Jordan Love, Sean Clifford

• A toss up for the early backup.  I'm actually hoping for a vet QB with Pratt on the PS. I'm stunned at how much Clifford regressed this year.

RB (3): Josh Jacobs, MarShawn Lloyd, Emanuel Wilson

• Most likely one of Lloyd or Dillon to IR.  Then Merriweather or another RB can elevate from the PS if needed. 

WR (6): Christian Watson, Romeo Doubs, Jayden Reed, Dontayvion Wicks, Bo Melton, Grant DuBose

• Really a tossup between Heath and DuBose right now. I pick the upside in DuBose. 

TE (4): Luke Musgrave, Tucker Kraft, Ben Sims, Tyler Davis

• Maybe some rumblings of Davis to IR? Having Wilson on the PS could also provide some depth. 

OL (9): Rasheed Walker, Elgton Jenkins, Josh Myers, Sean Rhyan, Zach Tom, Jordan Morgan, Andre Dillard, Jacob Monk, Kadeem Telfort

• Potential waiver claim area?

Defense (26)

DE (5): Rashan Gary, Preston Smith, Lukas Van Ness, Kingsley Enagbare, Brenton Cox Jr.

• I'm not sure a 5th DE is necessary, especially with 5 DTs (and Wooden being able to fill in at DE).  Mosby has all the momentum, but not much difference between him and Cox. 

DL (5): Kenny Clark, TJ Slaton, Devonte Wyatt, Karl Brooks, Colby Wooden

• Not much has changed in the top 5.  Probably just assured we keep 5. 

LB (6): Quay Walker, Isaiah McDuffie, Eric Wilson, Edgerrin Cooper, Ty’Ron Hopper, Kristian Welch

• Welch played himself on with his defense.  Cooper's injury and slowed development probably keep Wilson also.  Otherwise, Welch vs Wilson might be interesting. 

CB (5): Jaire Alexander, Eric Stokes, Keisean Nixon, Carrington Valentine, Kalen King

• Corey Ballentine probably has more value for us than anyone else.  Decent backup but low ceiling player. Unlikely to be claimed and could be stashed on the PS. 

S (5): Xavier McKinney, Javon Bullard, Evan Williams, Anthony Johnson Jr., Kitan Oladapo

• The only other options are ST only players.  So maybe Zayne Anderson vs a 6th LB or 5th DE.

Special Teams (3)

K: Anders Carlson - Potentially a temporary spot depending on trades/waivers
P: Daniel Whelan - most secure spot on the ST.  Nice TC and pre-season (with plenty of opportunities to punt).
LS: Matt Orzech - Potentially a temporary spot depending on waivers. 

[Joseph Zarr]

So, Malik Willis as the primary back-up? Thank the gods we still have Clements in house - a true magician. At least the Read Option will always be in play. Cannon for an arm. Upside. Absolutely no consistency in his accuracy. Gotta think Clemens thinks he can fix that. Either way, interesting if nothing else. Tho, looking at this year's pre-season stats he certainly played an improved brand of football it would appear.

[patrickgpe]

1 hour ago, homer said:

I guess I’m ok with this. There was talk about him going in the first. Before dropping to the 3rd. Pratt can go the practice squad. It’s low risk so it would be easy to move on if it doesn’t work out. 

 

 

Not sure how this is an improvement 

[homer]

 

 

[Sixtolezcano]

1 hour ago, CheezWizHed said:

My final prediction:

Offense (24)

QB (2): Jordan Love, Sean Clifford

• A toss up for the early backup.  I'm actually hoping for a vet QB with Pratt on the PS. I'm stunned at how much Clifford regressed this year.

RB (3): Josh Jacobs, MarShawn Lloyd, Emanuel Wilson

• Most likely one of Lloyd or Dillon to IR.  Then Merriweather or another RB can elevate from the PS if needed. 

WR (6): Christian Watson, Romeo Doubs, Jayden Reed, Dontayvion Wicks, Bo Melton, Grant DuBose

• Really a tossup between Heath and DuBose right now. I pick the upside in DuBose. 

TE (4): Luke Musgrave, Tucker Kraft, Ben Sims, Tyler Davis

• Maybe some rumblings of Davis to IR? Having Wilson on the PS could also provide some depth. 

OL (9): Rasheed Walker, Elgton Jenkins, Josh Myers, Sean Rhyan, Zach Tom, Jordan Morgan, Andre Dillard, Jacob Monk, Kadeem Telfort

• Potential waiver claim area?

Defense (26)

DE (5): Rashan Gary, Preston Smith, Lukas Van Ness, Kingsley Enagbare, Brenton Cox Jr.

• I'm not sure a 5th DE is necessary, especially with 5 DTs (and Wooden being able to fill in at DE).  Mosby has all the momentum, but not much difference between him and Cox. 

DL (5): Kenny Clark, TJ Slaton, Devonte Wyatt, Karl Brooks, Colby Wooden

• Not much has changed in the top 5.  Probably just assured we keep 5. 

LB (6): Quay Walker, Isaiah McDuffie, Eric Wilson, Edgerrin Cooper, Ty’Ron Hopper, Kristian Welch

• Welch played himself on with his defense.  Cooper's injury and slowed development probably keep Wilson also.  Otherwise, Welch vs Wilson might be interesting. 

CB (5): Jaire Alexander, Eric Stokes, Keisean Nixon, Carrington Valentine, Kalen King

• Corey Ballentine probably has more value for us than anyone else.  Decent backup but low ceiling player. Unlikely to be claimed and could be stashed on the PS. 

S (5): Xavier McKinney, Javon Bullard, Evan Williams, Anthony Johnson Jr., Kitan Oladapo

• The only other options are ST only players.  So maybe Zayne Anderson vs a 6th LB or 5th DE.

Special Teams (3)

K: Anders Carlson - Potentially a temporary spot depending on trades/waivers
P: Daniel Whelan - most secure spot on the ST.  Nice TC and pre-season (with plenty of opportunities to punt).
LS: Matt Orzech - Potentially a temporary spot depending on waivers. 

I think if it is between Carlson vs. Joseph they will pick Joseph. He has the most experience and an appreciatively longer/stronger leg. However, I think Gutey will do everything he can to find a more accurate kicker via trade or during cutdowns tomorrow.

[BrewerFan]

10 hours ago, Sixtolezcano said:

Pretty obvious huh? LOL. The quote below is from an article published in the Journal/Sentinel on Monday, August 26 by Pete Dougherty and Eric Baranczyk. Next time I’ll take your definitive player opinions with a grain of salt.

 

In any event, the truth is there’s minimal difference between the two. The call here would be Joseph, who has the slightly stronger leg…

 

LOL...yes, it is.

Are we just cutting and pasting lines from articles? Watch them kick? I agree...if it doesn't go in, it doesn't matter, but Carlson has a stronger leg. But here, I'll post a line as well with no actual link(I don't need it).

 

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Anders Carlson has the leg strength of an NFL kicker. Carlson can kick the football a country mile. Every day in practice, he’s shown the strong leg that made him a sixth-round draft pick

 

I like how you squeezed that into the last one as well. 

[BrewerFan]

1 hour ago, patrickgpe said:

Not sure how this is an improvement 

I don't know, more talent? If you need a backup QB, you have a better chance as you can rely on the run game more? 

Willis is physically talented and maybe they think Clements can get him to be a good enough backup? He was a projected 1st rd pick...for what it's worth. He's a good enough athlete that they could use him in some gimmicky plays perhaps? 

I'd have thought OL/K would have been bigger targets, but, we'll see. This is a little surprising.  

[patrickgpe]

6 minutes ago, BrewerFan said:

I don't know, more talent? If you need a backup QB, you have a better chance as you can rely on the run game more? 

Willis is physically talented and maybe they think Clements can get him to be a good enough backup? He was a projected 1st rd pick...for what it's worth. He's a good enough athlete that they could use him in some gimmicky plays perhaps? 

I'd have thought OL/K would have been bigger targets, but, we'll see. This is a little surprising.  

I edited my post after thinking about it a little. I still think they could do better on the ww tomorrow and get a zappe. That being said it’s not a terrible risk to give up a 7th

[CheezWizHed]

Well, after giving up a 7th, I doubt we do much more at the position (doubtful we keep 3 QBs).

Typically, I've not been a fan of QBs that derive a large chunk of their value from their legs.  But as a backup QB, they always seem to bring the defense a curveball when replacing the starter.  And for bringing a QB in this late in the season, it is helpful to be valuable before he learns the offense. 

Not quite what I was thinking with a veteran QB, but I suppose he has one more year than Clifford...

[CheezWizHed]

1 hour ago, Sixtolezcano said:

I think if it is between Carlson vs. Joseph they will pick Joseph. He has the most experience and an appreciatively longer/stronger leg. However, I think Gutey will do everything he can to find a more accurate kicker via trade or during cutdowns tomorrow.

I don't care who has the stronger leg.  I want to know who is more likely to make a typical FG.  Carlson's leg is strong enough for the job. 

[Sixtolezcano]

1 hour ago, BrewerFan said:

LOL...yes, it is.

Are we just cutting and pasting lines from articles? Watch them kick? I agree...if it doesn't go in, it doesn't matter, but Carlson has a stronger leg. But here, I'll post a line as well with no actual link(I don't need it).

 

 

I like how you squeezed that into the last one as well. 

Cutting and pasting from the Packer’s beat writers article who have probably watched more kicks than most everyone except their team’s employees. Maybe you should apply for one of their jobs, since your opinion is more valuable to their readers.

BTW- Their accuracy is approximately equivalent.

[BrewerFan]

4 hours ago, CheezWizHed said:

Well, after giving up a 7th, I doubt we do much more at the position (doubtful we keep 3 QBs).

Typically, I've not been a fan of QBs that derive a large chunk of their value from their legs.  But as a backup QB, they always seem to bring the defense a curveball when replacing the starter.  And for bringing a QB in this late in the season, it is helpful to be valuable before he learns the offense. 

Not quite what I was thinking with a veteran QB, but I suppose he has one more year than Clifford...

Just watching a very little bit of his pre-season snaps, it looks like his strengths mesh with MLF's scheme...

Hit a couple of nice throws off our PA on that outside boot, getting out in space. We watched the Vikings roll out a WR in a playoff game and they were fairly competitive with the Packers, so for a short period, I think he can keep us in a game or two. He threw a really nice deep ball in his last game. 

But no, if you'd have said we were bringing in a Titans QB, I'd have thought it was Tannehill. Experience with MLF's system, was pretty talented, and athletic, he was a really good QB for a stretch.

4 hours ago, CheezWizHed said:

I don't care who has the stronger leg.  I want to know who is more likely to make a typical FG.  Carlson's leg is strong enough for the job. 

Right. His issue has been the intermediate kicks.

Again, that Bates that people were excited about(for good reason) after making a couple FGs from 60+ has been really bad in Detroit, so we're going to have competition if there's a kicker on the market. The Titans have a young kicker who had a memorable last preseason game with a 59-yarder and a game-winner. But he's 75% in camp. Nick Folk is 40, but...you'd think they'd be in the same position we were last year. They're unlikely to be competitive. I know some were hoping we'd make a trade there for Narveson(Packers beat writers if that matters😉). Makes me wonder if the Packers may consider an old reliable(mostly) vet.

Would it really be crazy to try and get Crosby back in here? Again, he's older, but kickers generally age well. I think we'd have likely kept him around last year if we thought we'd be competitive and he's certainly proven in big spots. 

 

I really thought with another off-season, we'd get the kicking issues sorted away. Carlson has just looked like an IFer or someone with a throwing problem. When he has to let it rip and make a big throw, he's pretty damn good, but other times he looks like he's aiming it and is erratic. 

I guess outside of hoping we can find someone better, we just have to hope he can get his confidence and get on a roll. 

 

That, or the Titans keep the young guy and we get Nick Folk.

 

And I hear SF is having trouble with their LT. Older guy, 77M left on his deal, not guaranteed. Maybe we give them a 6th!

[CheezWizHed]

I wonder if the new kickoff rules might make Crosby (i.e. old kickers) more interesting to teams?  No need to hit the end zone on kickoffs anymore.... 

However... I do wonder if teams will mess with the new kickoff rules or just give it to them at the 30.  The preseason seemed to have very few kickoffs start at less than the 30 yd line.

Which makes me wonder if scoring will be up this year as a result.  Most Packer kickoffs last year were between the 20 and 25 yard lines.  If you start at the 30, scoring should be a bit easier. 

[homer]

 

 

[BrewerFan]

29 minutes ago, CheezWizHed said:

I wonder if the new kickoff rules might make Crosby (i.e. old kickers) more interesting to teams?  No need to hit the end zone on kickoffs anymore.... 

However... I do wonder if teams will mess with the new kickoff rules or just give it to them at the 30.  The preseason seemed to have very few kickoffs start at less than the 30 yd line.

Which makes me wonder if scoring will be up this year as a result.  Most Packer kickoffs last year were between the 20 and 25 yard lines.  If you start at the 30, scoring should be a bit easier. 

It could. I think they were just trying to not show anything in the pre-season, but I think the goal will be to have someone kick a line drive that hits the ground(play starts when they catch or the ball hits the ground). I

I wouldn't think they'd just want to start at the 30 every time given the differences in your chances of scoring going up I thought it was nearly 5%, but I don't remember exactly. But enough that I don't think they're going to just cede that.

That said, they were having Wheelan kicking off a bit. If you just need someone to try and drill a squib kick as hard as you can so that it lands in the zone and makes it a little more difficult to field, you should be able to get that from him? 

I don't know if that helps Crosby(or if he's even staying in shape and wanting to come back).

 I just know they can't afford to miss another...7 PATs and 7 FGs...mostly in the range that the rest of the league is...I'd guess ~90% or higher. 

[patrickgpe]

I think this means they are going outside (trade / WW) , which is good news. want Narverson

[homer]

Well the only solution is to just score TDs and go for two.

[BrewerFan]

8 minutes ago, patrickgpe said:

I think this means they are going outside (trade / WW) , which is good news. want Narverson

The kid was impressive, but 75% in camp.

I guess that's not the end all, but...it feels like if we were going to go after him, the Malik Willis trade would have included him. 

Unless we're hoping he gets cut and makes it to the Packers?

Someone help me with this. The Waiver claim has nothing to do with AFC/NFC like Baseball, right? Just based on last years record and then if you make a claim you move to the back of the line? 

 

[homer]

Who was the best kicker in the UFL? Just take that dude

[BrewerFan]

1 minute ago, homer said:

Who was the best kicker in the UFL? Just take that dude

Detroit tried this(as did we, but he picked them).

He was not good. They'd probably be happy with Joseph or Carlson at this point....

(I didn't read the whole article, but he's struggled and I'm guessing they cover that).

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/detroit-lions/news/jake-bates-proves-detroit-lions-another-option-kicker/ba1d98f9e812ac0410a03362

[homer]

3 minutes ago, BrewerFan said:

Detroit tried this(as did we, but he picked them).

He was not good. They'd probably be happy with Joseph or Carlson at this point....

(I didn't read the whole article, but he's struggled and I'm guessing they cover that).

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/detroit-lions/news/jake-bates-proves-detroit-lions-another-option-kicker/ba1d98f9e812ac0410a03362

It worked for Dallas last year with Aubrey. Seems like that success would translate a lot better than college.

[adambr2]

Anders is going to replay that last preseason kick in his head all season, maybe for the rest of his life if he never latches on again. I truly believe he makes the team if he makes it. Looked like he was starting to come around and then misses a short kick like he did a bunch of times last year and I think the organization just had it right there.