Packers 2024 Season Thread

[OldSchoolSnapper]

They know that both Clifford and Willis suck, but my guess is that in the event Love went down for a game or two, they wanted the mobility that could provide more potential ways to have some kind of offense even if the whole throwing part is not fantastic. So they were able to find an athlete that has at least started NFL games.

Plus I doubt they ever banked on Willis needing to play in Week 2.

[CheezWizHed]

Both Rodgers and Favre have played games at times when no one expected them to recover in time to play.  And yes, they were limited on mobility, but still better than the alternatives.

[Fear The Chorizo]

Week 1 loss looked ugly, yes - had GB offense turned one of those early red zone opportunities from Eagle turnovers into a TD, that game plays out differently and the Packers probably are 1-0.  Love played poorly, to be frank - but so did the rest of the team....which is an annual week 1 frustration for Packer fans besides when they play the Bears.

Packer defense was far from good, obviously...but it's easy to forget how stacked the Eagles' offense is.  A healthy Barkley was dynamic, and I don't think there's a better WR duo in the league than Brown/Smith on the outside.  Plus the Eagles still have a pretty good O line.  I think that team wins their division rather comfortably this year, despite the annual Cowboy hype.

Losing by 1 score, week 1 to a playoff team in flipping southern Brazil on a field that looked like it was 2 inches of fresh sod thrown on top of an ice rink isn't the end of the world.  

[homer]

25 minutes ago, Fear The Chorizo said:

Week 1 loss looked ugly, yes - had GB offense turned one of those early red zone opportunities from Eagle turnovers into a TD, that game plays out differently and the Packers probably are 1-0.  Love played poorly, to be frank - but so did the rest of the team....which is an annual week 1 frustration for Packer fans besides when they play the Bears.

Packer defense was far from good, obviously...but it's easy to forget how stacked the Eagles' offense is.  A healthy Barkley was dynamic, and I don't think there's a better WR duo in the league than Brown/Smith on the outside.  Plus the Eagles still have a pretty good O line.  I think that team wins their division rather comfortably this year, despite the annual Cowboy hype.

Losing by 1 score, week 1 to a playoff team in flipping southern Brazil on a field that looked like it was 2 inches of fresh sod thrown on top of an ice rink isn't the end of the world.  

That was my feeling. Love was missing throws he should be nailing in his sleep. Give Cooper and Bullard some time and that may shore things up on D. The O LIne did better in the run game in the 2nd half. 

[Joseph Zarr]

Couldn't agree more. As the weekend wore on and this week began I felt pretty good about where the Packers landed after that debacle. There were plenty of positive signs despite the ugliness as a whole. That field was an absolute abomination (seriously, how many times are we going to see this in professional sports - it's truly unbelievable what these organizations get away with when it comes to playing surfaces). There were all sorts of miscommunications goings on in the headsets, apparently. The referee and broadcast crews were some of the worst in the entire League. And, all that being said, that result was absolutely toe-to-toe. Could have gone either way. Honestly, I probably came away most disappointed with the collective play of the D-Line. They are supposed to be a big strength of the defense. I felt they were largely a let down.

[Brian]

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/brett-favre-reveals-he-was-diagnosed-with-parkinsons-disease-while-testifying-before-u-s-congress/

 

[BrewerFan]

There shouldn't be any debate at this point. Zach Tom is one of the 3-5 truly foundational players on this team, he's going to get 24M+ a year, he's the next player they have to re-sign. 

This is why I wanted to see the Packers(and will continue to want to see them) draft and develop that OL. Having an OT like Tom, like Bakh...it makes your entire OL better. 

Tom right now can be left in one on one situations with elite pass rushers and lock them down. He can get out and lead on a screen or come from the backside and pull on a play. He's an elite athlete with elite balance, footwork, hands and just so incredibly valuable. 

I hope Jordan Morgan can develop like Tom if Walker doesn't(Walker's been a bit better than I think we're seeing as he's been called for so many big penalties he stands out more, but he's been...alright the first 3 games). 

 

Now...imagine Creed in the middle of this OL...oh well, Gute's not perfect, but another 4th rd OT who's elite and incredibly versatile. HR pick there. 

[CheezWizHed]

5 hours ago, BrewerFan said:

There shouldn't be any debate at this point. Zach Tom is one of the 3-5 truly foundational players on this team, he's going to get 24M+ a year, he's the next player they have to re-sign. 

This is why I wanted to see the Packers(and will continue to want to see them) draft and develop that OL. Having an OT like Tom, like Bakh...it makes your entire OL better. 

Tom right now can be left in one on one situations with elite pass rushers and lock them down. He can get out and lead on a screen or come from the backside and pull on a play. He's an elite athlete with elite balance, footwork, hands and just so incredibly valuable. 

I hope Jordan Morgan can develop like Tom if Walker doesn't(Walker's been a bit better than I think we're seeing as he's been called for so many big penalties he stands out more, but he's been...alright the first 3 games). 

 

Now...imagine Creed in the middle of this OL...oh well, Gute's not perfect, but another 4th rd OT who's elite and incredibly versatile. HR pick there. 

Funny how much love the Viking OTs get, yet Walker is pretty close to O'Neil and ahead of Derrisaw on that chart.  With Tom obviously light years ahead of them both. 

[BrewerFan]

On 9/27/2024 at 7:53 AM, CheezWizHed said:

Funny how much love the Viking OTs get, yet Walker is pretty close to O'Neil and ahead of Derrisaw on that chart.  With Tom obviously light years ahead of them both. 

Sure...those guys, especially O'Neil are exceptional run blockers as well. 

I hadn't realized how bad Walker's knee was as a rookie though. I can't find the link, but it was basically a decent shot his career was dead with a bunch of microfractures in there that he played through at PSU. 

So...he's hanging onto his job and I'm holding out hope there's still another level to his game. It's been a mixed bag this year. Not facing the best pass rushers in Tenn, Indy and then the Eagles are far better on the interior, but you can definitely win with him. No question about that.

I'd also be looking to upgrade in the meantime. So if they went back and took a OT first rd next year, I'd be good with that even. It's one of those positions, along with DL, I'm fine with regularly drafting early. If Morgan isn't the answer at LT, but is a really good OG, fine. 

The guy I was already putting in Green and Gold after our first Vikings game last year, Joe Alt has had an incredible start to the season up until his injury, locking down Maxx Crosby in Week 1. 

 

But, I'm certainly asking a whole lot there. Right now, this OL looks like it's one of Gute's misses(Myers over Creed) from being one of the top 3 groups in the league. 

[homer]

 

 

[Fear The Chorizo]

1 hour ago, homer said:

 

 

based on how it looked initially, that's actually good news - I assumed he was headed for the operating table.  Hopefully he can heal up and get right in a month - 6 weeks.

[HarryDoyle]

Hopefully Love learned his lesson not to hang his receivers out to dry like that. Bart Starr made a point never to do that.

[adambr2]

Wanted to point out that if Narveson makes 1 of 2 field goals, we are down 6 instead of 9 on Minnesota's last drive where they went for it inside the 5 on 4th down. Had they only been up 6, there's 100% chance that they would have kicked the FG to go up 9 and be up 2 scores rather than risking the 4th down, and the game would have ended the exact same way. 

So making 1 of 2 FGs would not have changed the outcome of the game. 

[HarryDoyle]

Brandon McManus won't face discipline from the NFL due to insufficient evidence he violated the personal conduct policy. He would be a vast improvement over Narveson. We'll see if the team decides to bring him in.

[adambr2]

MLF for all the good that he does, has patience with both players and coaches in-season to a tremendous fault. I get that you don't want to be overreactionary, but one could legitimately argue that reluctance to move on from both Anders Carlson and Joe Barry much earlier than he did proved to be tremendously costly. 

There's certainly plenty of potential outcomes where history repeats itself in the playoffs and Narveson costs us our season. 

[LouisEly]

34 minutes ago, adambr2 said:

I get that you don't want to be overreactionary, but one could legitimately argue that reluctance to move on from both Anders Carlson

I don't understand this argument.  They moved on from Carlson after one season.  Who are they going to find mid-season who is significantly better?  What good kicker is unemployed in November?

And Carlson's brother is a cautionary tale of moving on too quickly.

[adambr2]

27 minutes ago, LouisEly said:

I don't understand this argument.  They moved on from Carlson after one season.  Who are they going to find mid-season who is significantly better?  What good kicker is unemployed in November?

And Carlson's brother is a cautionary tale of moving on too quickly.

So you must have agreed with the Barry example, then. 

I do concede that Anders is a flimsier example. Unless you have a kicker who is a complete disaster, there isn't often a better candidate at home on their couch. Anders was less consistent than we would have liked, but his completion percentage was merely below average, not disastrous. 

[adambr2]

For those who wanted to see Huntley brought in as the backup QB over Malik Willis, be happy that you didn't get your wish. Huntley is horrific. 

[HarveysWBs]

4 hours ago, HarryDoyle said:

Brandon McManus won't face discipline from the NFL due to insufficient evidence he violated the personal conduct policy. He would be a vast improvement over Narveson. We'll see if the team decides to bring him in.

Yeah, that is interesting. In light of the overall cautiousness of the organization in these matters (though there have been exceptions) and in light of the whole Deshaun Watson thing, I highly doubt he gets much of a look. But if the brass gets desperate (and they should be close to desperation) and they have closer access to what the NFL knows about McManus’ situation than the public does, who knows? It seems pretty icky though.

[adambr2]

McManus has exceeded 85% in FG percentage just once since 2016 and has a career FG percentage of 81.4% which would rank on the low end of starting kickers leaguewide. For comparison, Anders Carlson was 81.8% last season. Not exactly the massive upgrade you're looking for if you're going to roll the dice on a potential character concern. 

I get going with the known mediocre veteran commodity over the unknown that could be even worse, but if you were going to go that route you might as well have just went with Greg Joseph. 

[HarryDoyle]

Looks like Gute and MLF are getting serious about addressing the kicking situation. They brought in not one, but two kickers for a tryout. Chad Ryland and Lucas Haversik. Yes, you read that right. Chad Ryland and Lucas Haversik,

 

 

[HarryDoyle]

Ryland made only 64 percent of field goals as a rookie for the New England Patriots, while Havrisik converted 75 percent for the Los Angeles Rams last season.

[endaround]

21 hours ago, HarryDoyle said:

Ryland made only 64 percent of field goals as a rookie for the New England Patriots, while Havrisik converted 75 percent for the Los Angeles Rams last season.

These are some quality jobbers to get Narveson over.

[CheezWizHed]

I find it odd that the Packer started Ford's return from IR.  Where does he go?  Are they really that down on Wooden that Ford might replace him?  Is Wyatt's injury worse than we thought?  Or would they activate him to release him to put him on the PS? 

[Joseph Zarr]

On 10/1/2024 at 6:13 PM, HarryDoyle said:

Ryland made only 64 percent of field goals as a rookie for the New England Patriots, while Havrisik converted 75 percent for the Los Angeles Rams last season.

Ryland just signed onto Arizona's PS yesterday - not that that means much of anything but just updating this zesty fringe kicker discourse. Man, we need a Whelan kicking FG's.