Jackson Chourio Appreciation Thread

[Brewcrew82]

12 minutes ago, wiguy94 said:

Chourio is 14th in the MLB in fWAR since June 1st at 2.7. That's 6-7 fWAR pace over a full season.

A (potential?) move to CF and an offseason of strength training and filling into his developing body and the possibilities are frightening. 

[Brewcrew82]

On the Chourio fielding discussion, Thomas Nestico helps shed light on things with his new app.

The most blatant "drops" that people remember from earlier in the season were almost all super low probability plays that only a handful including Chourio could even get close to. 

The one in the 9th against the Marlins in May that everyone pounced on him for was a mere 5% probability catch, of which only a handful have been converted in MLB this season. 

Bottom line is Chourio's range is incredible for an OFer, and he should only get better as he improves his reads and jumps which you would certainly expect from someone who was an infielder until a couple years ago. 

https://tjstatsapps-catch-probability.hf.space/

[wiguy94]

3 hours ago, Brewcrew82 said:

On the Chourio fielding discussion, Thomas Nestico helps shed light on things with his new app.

The most blatant "drops" that people remember from earlier in the season were almost all super low probability plays that only a handful including Chourio could even get close to. 

The one in the 9th against the Marlins in May that everyone pounced on him for was a mere 5% probability catch, of which only a handful have been converted in MLB this season. 

Bottom line is Chourio's range is incredible for an OFer, and he should only get better as he improves his reads and jumps which you would certainly expect from someone who was an infielder until a couple years ago. 

https://tjstatsapps-catch-probability.hf.space/

I'd still keep him in the corners for the time being. I think eventually you can move him to CF, but why put that extra burden on him when you have multiple plus CF also on the roster.

[Brewcrew82]

11 minutes ago, wiguy94 said:

I'd still keep him in the corners for the time being. I think eventually you can move him to CF, but why put that extra burden on him when you have multiple plus CF also on the roster.

Agree to disagree I guess. I just think he's proven beyond doubt that he can handle every "burden" the Brewers can throw at him, and now that he's seemingly figured out MLB pitching, next ST is as good of a time as any to start working him in there with the value boost it would provide to what is their franchise player. I'm also not that anxious to pencil the other light hitting guys in the lineup every day if it can be avoided. I personally hope we sign a power hitting corner OF bat in FA as there's several on the market. 

[wiguy94]

7 minutes ago, Brewcrew82 said:

Agree to disagree I guess. I just think he's proven beyond doubt that he can handle every "burden" the Brewers can throw at him, and now that he's seemingly figured out MLB pitching, next ST is as good of a time as any to start working him in there with the value boost it would provide to what is their franchise player. I'm also not that anxious to pencil the other light hitting guys in the lineup every day if it can be avoided. I personally hope we sign a power hitting corner OF bat in FA as there's several on the market. 

I mean sure if the roster requires Chourio to move to CF then absolutely do it, but that's not the roster the Brewers have. I don't think moving Chourio to CF so he can accrue more WAR is very important to the Brewers.

[Brewcrew82]

 

[Brewcrew82]

Saw this today on Twitter. It's been talked about how Chourio has reverse splits, struggling more against LHP. And, in fact, his season long numbers still bear that out. 

However, as we've become accustomed to seeing, things are changing dramatically, especially since June. xBA vs. LHP by month:

April: .202

May: .234

June: .280

July: .328

August: .467(!)

Incredible how this sort of progression applies to virtually every aspect of Chourio's hitting. 

[markedman5]

Jackson Chourio starts Brewers' rally in win over Giants

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[wiguy94]

Going into June 1st, Chourio was last on the Brewers with -1.36 WPA. After today's game he's 3rd on the Brewers in WPA with 1.24 only 0.11 WPA behind William for 2nd. RIP Yelich who is far and away 1st with 2.71 WPA.

Here's a fun comparison.

Yelich this year - 372 PA, 152 wRC+, 3.0 fWAR, 2.72 WPA

Chourio since June 1st - 289 PA, 148 wRC+, 3.1 fWAR, 2.70 WPA

Chourio has basically been 2024 Christian Yelich since June 1st.

[homer]

 

 

[igor67]

Steal number 20 last night and a game winning HR on national TV. Jackson's Fangraphs War is now tied with Skenes. Lot's of chances for Jackson to put himself on top that ROY discussion here at the end...

[wiguy94]

Another fun Chourio comparison.

Ryan Braun rookie year (debuted 5/25) - .324/.370/.634, 155 wRC+, 6% BB-rate, 23% K-rate

Chourio since 5/25 - .314/.361/.527, 144 wRC+, 6% BB-rate, 16% K-rate

Chourio is 3 years younger than rookie Ryan Braun

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

Did not expect Chourio to become Christian Yelich so soon, but here we are. 

[jesusoftheapes]

In 1989 EVERYONE who watched baseball knew they were seeing the next great player come to the Show. Yet even Ken Griffey Jr did not win the Rookie of the Year award that season despite EVERYONE knowing at that time he was the best thing to come to baseball in decades.      The same seems to be true for our young Star Jackson Chourio who seems destine to loose the award to a young Star Pitcher(Skenes)  in the same way as Griffey Jr did with Gregg Olsen winning the award in 89'  and much like 1989 no one can deny that Chourio like Griffey Jr IS the future of the game.  

So I will compare stats to make my point and get back to the live action of the current Cards series.   

Ken Griffey Jr. 1989. Games, 127 ,AB  455,  Runs 61, Hits 120, TB 191, Doubles 23, Triples 0 , RBI 61 ,  HR 16  , BB 44, IBB 8, K's 83, Stolen Bases 16, Av .264, OPB  .329  SLG 420, OPS .749.   

Jackson Chourio 2024. Games (as of mid game 1 of the Cards final series) 124, AB 437, Runs 68, Hits 121, TB 201, Doubles 22, Triples 2, RBI 67,  HR 18(with 2 G Slams!), BB 63, IBB(Jackson just hit a GRAND SLAM as I wrote this ! So the stats get better and I had to edit EVERYTHING SO BE IT !!)   IBB 1, K's 94 ,Stolen Bases 20,  Average .278 OPB. .329, SLG 462 OPS .791.  

In 1989 no one was under any delusions that Gregg Olson was actually the most valued player of that AL rookie Class despite an historic rookie relief season that won him the award.   In 2024 will the delusion of Skenes value put Chourio on the outside looking in for the same award?  In my mind Brewers fans know which player held more value to his team through 2024.  The Crew look like this is THE year and Skenes is about to finish a season at the bottom of the NL dumpster as a team so value of position and production tips to Chourio and Skenes is just a great pitching story in the end.       Time will tell but Jackson Chourio is MY Rookie of the Year and his impact on the Brewers will carry this team for most of the next decade or more .    No rookie is more valuable than Jackson Chourio to their team in 2024 ( I know about Jackson Merrill and think he is just as good but it does not fit the story if I include him.)      In my book Jackson Chourio is the best player to come into the MLB SINCE Griffey Jr and the stats sus that out as well .  BELIEVE IN THIS CREW 2024!   

 

[thebruce44]

Sorry, but Gary Sheffield was the best rookie in 1989, and nobody can convince my 8 year old mind otherwise.

[Jopal78]

2 home runs off the 20/20 club. Pretty elite company of 8 players if he can get there including 4 ROY winners: Nomar Garciaparra, Carlos Beltran, Trout, Julio Rodriguez 

[pitchleague]

2 hours ago, jesusoftheapes said:

In 1989 EVERYONE who watched baseball knew they were seeing the next great player come to the Show. Yet even Ken Griffey Jr did not win the Rookie of the Year award that season despite EVERYONE knowing at that time he was the best thing to come to baseball in decades.      The same seems to be true for our young Star Jackson Chourio who seems destine to loose the award to a young Star Pitcher(Skenes)  in the same way as Griffey Jr did with Gregg Olsen winning the award in 89'  and much like 1989 no one can deny that Chourio like Griffey Jr IS the future of the game.  

So I will compare stats to make my point and get back to the live action of the current Cards series.   

Ken Griffey Jr. 1989. Games, 127 ,AB  455,  Runs 61, Hits 120, TB 191, Doubles 23, Triples 0 , RBI 61 ,  HR 16  , BB 44, IBB 8, K's 83, Stolen Bases 16, Av .264, OPB  .329  SLG 420, OPS .749.   

Jackson Chourio 2024. Games (as of mid game 1 of the Cards final series) 124, AB 437, Runs 68, Hits 121, TB 201, Doubles 22, Triples 2, RBI 67,  HR 18(with 2 G Slams!), BB 63, IBB(Jackson just hit a GRAND SLAM as I wrote this ! So the stats get better and I had to edit EVERYTHING SO BE IT !!)   IBB 1, K's 94 ,Stolen Bases 20,  Average .278 OPB. .329, SLG 462 OPS .791.  

In 1989 no one was under any delusions that Gregg Olson was actually the most valued player of that AL rookie Class despite an historic rookie relief season that won him the award.   In 2024 will the delusion of Skenes value put Chourio on the outside looking in for the same award?  In my mind Brewers fans know which player held more value to his team through 2024.  The Crew look like this is THE year and Skenes is about to finish a season at the bottom of the NL dumpster as a team so value of position and production tips to Chourio and Skenes is just a great pitching story in the end.       Time will tell but Jackson Chourio is MY Rookie of the Year and his impact on the Brewers will carry this team for most of the next decade or more .    No rookie is more valuable than Jackson Chourio to their team in 2024 ( I know about Jackson Merrill and think he is just as good but it does not fit the story if I include him.)      In my book Jackson Chourio is the best player to come into the MLB SINCE Griffey Jr and the stats sus that out as well .  BELIEVE IN THIS CREW 2024!   

 

Woah,  paragraphs!  This made it SO much easier (on the eyes) to read.  Thank you!  (Yes, seriously.)

[Fear The Chorizo]

Merrill continues to be the heavy favorite for ROY, but if Chourio keeps up this pace through September he probably winds up with better numbers than him despite that slow start to the year.

 

What he is doing right now is league MVP-caliber

[gregmag]

I am fully convinced that, around the batting cage today, Willy or William was needling Chourio about not drawing walks. “Don’t you know that great hitters draw walks so that they get on base more?” I can see the look on Jackson’s face, carefree and analytical at the same time. “Walks. Yeah. That makes sense. Okay.” Then whichever of Willy or William didn’t start the conversation chimes in with “Oh, but you have to stay aggressive. You can’t get all passive looking for your walks.”  Jackson with that look again.  “Draw walks, but also stay aggressive.“ Jackson smiles and nods. “Thanks guys.”

[jesusoftheapes]

Better than Griffey JR across the board stats .    T

[Brewcrew82]

Two week super small sample size that means next to nothing, but the ridiculousness has gotten to the point where Chourio's peripherals have surpassed even Judge and Witt Jr....20 years old. 

Also, gotta give credit to Jackson Merrill for keeping up with JC every step of the way here in the 2nd half.

 

[markedman5]

On 9/2/2024 at 7:25 PM, Fear The Chorizo said:

Merrill continues to be the heavy favorite for ROY, but if Chourio keeps up this pace through September he probably winds up with better numbers than him despite that slow start to the year.

 

What he is doing right now is league MVP-caliber

Merrill was just named NL rookie of the month for August

 

[Playing Catch]

20 hours ago, Brewcrew82 said:

Also, gotta give credit to Jackson Merrill for keeping up with JC every step of the way here in the 2nd half.

And Lawrence Butler. I believe he's still considered a rookie.

[Fear The Chorizo]

16 hours ago, markedman5 said:

Merrill was just named NL rookie of the month for August

 

Yes, Merrill had a crazy good August himself - and both are raking into September....Merrill has had ok months early (just under 0.700 OPS), then an awesome June, dip back towards a 0.700 OPS in July, and an awesome August (0.969 OPS).  Chourio's season-long OPS was sub 0.600 at the end of May, since then he's been OPS-ing ~0.900, ~0.875, ~0.925, and now ~1.4 from June into September.

The fact Chourio is within 0.1 WAR of Merrill despite his April/May early season scuffles and roughly 2.5-weeks fewer ABs is crazy, because Merrill really hasn't had an extended slump period in his rookie season.  Merrill also has roughly 50 more ABs to add to his counting stats since Chourio's early season issues led to him being a part time player for a couple months in May/June while he was turning things around.

Chourio is getting intentionally walked in plenty of late-game situations now....in order for pitchers to face veteran middle of the order hitters instead.   Even though it won't apply to him next year anymore, there should be a MLB rule change that if you aren't yet of legal drinking age stateside, you can't be intentionally walked.

[homer]

Maybe ROY is like the Heisman where you need a big Sept game to get noticed. Except in baseball you probably need a couple of big weeks in April/May