Jackson Chourio Appreciation Thread

[Team Canada]

My goodness:

Comparing stat lines with Merrill, I think it's close enough that likely whoever has the best finish will take it (depending on Skenes as well).

[Fear The Chorizo]

3 hours ago, homer said:

Maybe ROY is like the Heisman where you need a big Sept game to get noticed. Except in baseball you probably need a couple of big weeks in April/May

I think so....and it is RO the YEAR, not necessarily who is playing the best at the end of the season.  Making the counting stats probably more meaningful over the course of the full 162.

Merrill is definitely the favorite for the award in the NL based on the full body of work - but the fact Chourio is even in the conversation at this point speaks to how unbelievable he's been for the past 3 months of a season that some were openly questioning into June when he should get optioned down to AAA to restore his confidence at the plate.

[Austin Tatious]

5 hours ago, Team Canada said:

My goodness:

Comparing stat lines with Merrill, I think it's close enough that likely whoever has the best finish will take it (depending on Skenes as well).

An .800 ops as a 20 year old with hopefully a 20/20 season is way beyond any reasonable expectation I could have had.  

[BrewerFan]

1 minute ago, Austin Tatious said:

An .800 ops as a 20 year old with hopefully a 20/20 season is way beyond any reasonable expectation I could have had.  

It really is. The thing that might be the most impressive is his plate discipline.

I thought we were getting a free swinger, a Vlad type or...whoever. But he's gotten so much better at being selective up there. The 5 ball strikeout sucks, but...this kid is a monster.

 

Just so thrilled with that 10-year extension. 

[yfinn6]

7 hours ago, Team Canada said:

My goodness:

Comparing stat lines with Merrill, I think it's close enough that likely whoever has the best finish will take it (depending on Skenes as well).

We saw Chourio get better at every level as he had his initial "getting to know the league" period. In MLB, you could start to see him sit on those outside breaking balls and start making better swing decisions but not having the luck toward the end of his "down days" which were what, into June? I honestly can't recall. I do remember seeing a LOT better at bats without the results but you could see him barreling more baseballs.

The results are ridiculous, but it could also be a factor of getting big league coaching and perspectives rather than minor league perspectives. The minor league results were awesome; the big league results seem supercharged based on the coaching from teammates, better scouting reports/coaching, the confidence, etc. 

If he stays healthy, he's a perennial MVP candidate, in my opinion. 

[SeaBass]

theScore put out a ROY rankings article a day or so ago and Chourio didn't make their top 5 NL rookies (all they did was a top 5). That felt like a pretty large (and IMO embarrassing) oversight. Their top 5 were 1. Merrill 2. Skenes 3. Winn 4. Fitzgerald 5. Imanaga.

[thebruce44]

5 hours ago, BrewerFan said:

I thought we were getting a free swinger, a Vlad type or...whoever. But he's gotten so much better at being selective up there. The 5 ball strikeout sucks, but...this kid is a monster.

 

I am struggling to understand how someone could have such an advanced eye at 20. Its one thing to be extremely talented at barreling up the ball, but he's started to command the strike zone.

[Playing Catch]

18 hours ago, Fear The Chorizo said:

Merrill is definitely the favorite for the award in the NL based on the full body of work

He's the favorite because he plays for everyone's favorite team in America's favorite city, and he was a high draft pick. With that said, he would be a very deserving winner.

10 hours ago, SeaBass said:

theScore put out a ROY rankings article a day or so ago and Chourio didn't make their top 5 NL rookies (all they did was a top 5). That felt like a pretty large (and IMO embarrassing) oversight. Their top 5 were 1. Merrill 2. Skenes 3. Winn 4. Fitzgerald 5. Imanaga.

I think Imanaga is the only one that shouldn't be considered ahead of Chourio. Winn and Fitzgerald have had excellent rookie seasons.

Imanaga is 31. That alone should prevent him from winning the award... Well, that, and that he plays for the Cubs. And while I'm on the topic, screw Winn as well.

[CheezWizHed]

18 hours ago, Fear The Chorizo said:

I think so....and it is RO the YEAR, not necessarily who is playing the best at the end of the season.  Making the counting stats probably more meaningful over the course of the full 162.

Merrill is definitely the favorite for the award in the NL based on the full body of work - but the fact Chourio is even in the conversation at this point speaks to how unbelievable he's been for the past 3 months of a season that some were openly questioning into June when he should get optioned down to AAA to restore his confidence at the plate.

While you are completely correct, I think if the stats end up being close, Chourio's meteoric rise from Apr/May to where his is now merits special consideration. 

If you were a pitcher, which one would you rather face right now?  Merrill is hot, but Chourio is surface of the sun hot.

[Outlander]

ROY of the year is nice and all but since the Brewers can't get a draft pick if he wins I don't really care. Like others have said he should be a MVP candidate for a number of years. ROY can be goofy at times. I remember being a kid and everybody wanted to watch Ken Griffey Jr. and obtain his Upper Deck card but he ended up being third in ROY to Gregg Olson and getting one first place vote. Losing that didn't impact him too much.

[Brewcrew82]

 

[nate82]

19 minutes ago, Brewcrew82 said:

 

Off topic but Witt is just crazy.  I didn’t think he was going to be this good.  He is playing like a top 50 player all time right now.  

[Underachiever]

Merrill can be ROY, and Chourio can be WS MVP.

[Matt Breen]

I don't think you can go wrong with any of Skenes, Chourio, or Merrill -  or even Masyn Winn for St. Louis. They all have had really nice campaigns. 

Right now, I'm guessing Merrill - but if the Pirates keep pitching Skenes - he might get it. Especially if the Jacksons split the 'position player' vote. 

Still several weeks of ball - so anything can happen. But if the voting was right now, I'm guessing Merrill wins it.

[Fear The Chorizo]

25 minutes ago, Matt Breen said:

I don't think you can go wrong with any of Skenes, Chourio, or Merrill -  or even Masyn Winn for St. Louis. They all have had really nice campaigns. 

Right now, I'm guessing Merrill - but if the Pirates keep pitching Skenes - he might get it. Especially if the Jacksons split the 'position player' vote. 

Still several weeks of ball - so anything can happen. But if the voting was right now, I'm guessing Merrill wins it.

It would be so Pirates for them to continue running out Skenes for a few more starts and have his UCL blow out.  I would hope they have a set innings limit they won't let him cross since they're out of playoff contention, with the idea of having him as their Opening Day starter next season.  It's not worth the risk of him getting injured pitching meaningless late September innings for a team not headed to the playoffs that could take a big step forward this offseason centered around their starting rotation with a healthy Skenes headlining it.

[tmwiese55]

1 hour ago, Fear The Chorizo said:

It would be so Pirates for them to continue running out Skenes for a few more starts and have his UCL blow out.  I would hope they have a set innings limit they won't let him cross since they're out of playoff contention, with the idea of having him as their Opening Day starter next season.  It's not worth the risk of him getting injured pitching meaningless late September innings for a team not headed to the playoffs that could take a big step forward this offseason centered around their starting rotation with a healthy Skenes headlining it.

He would be eligible fro the new rule where they get the extra high draft pick if he wins ROY, correct?   Don't get me wrong, its still likely not worth it. but combine that motivation with the kids motivation to play and win the award and you might have a situation where they do go for it.  Maybe the middle ground is to be anal on pitch counts/innings, basically getting him out after 5 innings.

[Brewcrew82]

19 minutes ago, tmwiese55 said:

He would be eligible fro the new rule where they get the extra high draft pick if he wins ROY, correct?   Don't get me wrong, its still likely not worth it. but combine that motivation with the kids motivation to play and win the award and you might have a situation where they do go for it.  Maybe the middle ground is to anal on pitch counts/innings, basically getting him out after 5 innings.

Worth remembering they also lose a year of control over Skenes if he finishes 1st or 2nd in ROY voting

[sveumrules]

Skenes should be fine on IP.

Had 129.1 last year between LSU and post-draft minor league appearances.

Is at 147.1 so far this year between AAA and MLB with four scheduled starts remaining.

Maybe they skip or abbreviate the very last one (currently lined up to be in Yankee Stadium) but getting him up into the 160's in IP is a reasonable jump from last season and sets him up to throw a full compliment next year.

[TURBO]

Fitzgerald has fallen off a cliff, he shouldn't be in the conversation.

There should be a pitching ROY and an offensive ROY.  MLB loves to give out awards, why are they still combined?

If Chourio keeps this up, and Merrill finishes slow, I can see Chourio beating Merrill, but I think Merrill has to slow down a lot to be passed.

As far as Skenes goes, he is upper level talented, I mean, we are probably looking at a guy who could win multiple Cy Youngs in the coming years.  The only thing slowing him down is pitching for the Pirates, but I think things in Pittsburgh are about to start looking up in the next few years.  They have a young pitching staff with a bunch of young guys on the cusp of being in their rotation.  Add Bubba Chandler and Jones to that mix along with Ortiz and they have the makings of a dominant future rotation.

If Skenes finishes the season, I think he wins it,  If they start limiting him or shutting him down, he shouldn't win it.

That leaves Merrill and Chourio to fight it out.

[SeaBass]

3 hours ago, Playing Catch said:

He's the favorite because he plays for everyone's favorite team in America's favorite city, and he was a high draft pick. With that said, he would be a very deserving winner.

I think Imanaga is the only one that shouldn't be considered ahead of Chourio. Winn and Fitzgerald have had excellent rookie seasons.

Imanaga is 31. That alone should prevent him from winning the award... Well, that, and that he plays for the Cubs. And while I'm on the topic, screw Winn as well.

Fitzgerald's numbers are nice but this isn't an "MVP" of the rookies vote, it's just ROY and Fitzgerald, in my opinion, doesn't have the counting stats (and 50 to 60 games fewer) to measure up to the Jacksons. Same with Winn, getting a bit heavy lean to defense, which is great but this is traditionally a mostly offensively focused award and Chourio has him beat.

Merrill has 4.4 fWAR, Chourio 3.5, Winn & Fitzgerald 3.3 each. Skenes is a legit threat if he doesn't get shut down.

Barring a Skenes win this is Merrill's race to lose - unless Chourio goes nuclear (which I'm all for).

[Brewcrew82]

Posted this in the game thread, but Jackson Merrill was just removed from the game after fouling a ball off his knee.....Hope he's okay obviously, but certainly noteworthy and worth monitoring. 

[BrewerFan]

On 9/5/2024 at 11:33 PM, thebruce44 said:

I am struggling to understand how someone could have such an advanced eye at 20. Its one thing to be extremely talented at barreling up the ball, but he's started to command the strike zone.

LOL...I don't know. 

It all blows my mind. I don't know how you possibly hit or lay off a 90 MPH slider. Everyone can yell, "what's he swinging at! C'mon," but it's all superhuman to me. 

I am amused at Cubs fans who are saying PCA is a better player.

If you want to say he's better than Mitchell or...I guess Frelick, eh, he is one helluva CFer. But Chourio? Hmm...no. 

As for ROY, I'm less invested given the stupid rule they changed that he's not eligible for a comp pick because they invested in him and signed him, but it'd still be cool for him. 

This does seem like a really-really good rookie class though.

On 9/6/2024 at 11:59 AM, Brewcrew82 said:

Worth remembering they also lose a year of control over Skenes if he finishes 1st or 2nd in ROY voting

So...he'll be a Yankee or Dodger one year earlier. 

[Gump]

One of the reasons I hate the Dodgers….never ending amount of money.  Can sign whoever they want for a ridiculous contract. 

[sveumrules]

On 8/2/2024 at 9:09 AM, sveumrules said:

Chourio (166 PA since 0602)
87 BB+ | 67 K+ | 130 AVG+ | 137 ISO+ | 149 wRC+

That split was posted before the game on 0802, over 149 PA since then Chourio is at...

106 BB+ | 80 K+ | 125 AVG+ | 168 ISO+ | 160 wRC+

Insane how kid just keeps getting better and better, upping his walk rate and power production substantially with a minimal tradeoff on batting average and strikeouts over the last five weeks.

 

[StearnsFTW]

If he gets to 4.5 WAR this season (likely) and say 5.5 WAR next season the contract will be paid for .   With 6 years left for free.

 

Seems good.