2024 Major Publication Prospect Ranks

[SF70]

Can’t wait to see Meccage-Dubanewicz-Renz & Smith from the ‘24 class make their pro debuts and then of course Broughton in 2026 a full 21 months post TJ. 

The lower minors pitching is really going to be something special to watch next year.

[HOLBS]

21 hours ago, Joseph Zarr said:

Robinson was extremely appealing in terms of how he spins multiple off-speed offerings. Birchard is entirely about controlling his stuff and controlling the zone. He has the stuff but it was a major struggle in terms of repeated precision of any kind. Fell behind entirely too much. Walked entirely too many guys. But still has the tools to put an impressive pitcher together. Woodward was legitimately one of the highlights of my viewing season. He has extremely tantalizing stuff. Everything had a tightly wound violence to it as it left his hand. His oblique/lat injury (can't recall exactly what it was) late in the Mudcats season was a real downer. I have him pegged as one of my 'likely to surprise and move quickly' if he stays healthy. The tools are too good to ignore. I think all three college pitchers taken early in last year's draft - Deberry, Holobetz, and Welch - have legitimate chances to impress in 2025. All three are different. All three can dominate innings if their bodies and stuff are right. This doesn't even touch on the pitcher I may be most interested in seeing in early 2025 in one just turned 20 years old LHP Wande Torres. We will likely see him for the first time on any semblance of a consistent basis on the Mudcats' mound. Words can not describe how patiently I've been awaiting his arrival. 😅

I'm hoping for a big year for Woodward too - his stuff looked electric. It's shocking to me that he doesn't get put higher on prospect lists. If he catches fire early and stays healthy I think we could be talking about a September call-up

[snoogans8056]

15 hours ago, SF70 said:

Can’t wait to see Meccage-Dubanewicz-Renz & Smith from the ‘24 class make their pro debuts and then of course Broughton in 2026 a full 21 months post TJ. 

The lower minors pitching is really going to be something special to watch next year.

I have no idea what to make of the 9th and 10th round high school pitchers either due to how weird it was... But Ethan Dorchies is listed at 6'5" 215 and turned 18 in October (Renz in November). Very young, very big.

[Joseph Zarr]

1 hour ago, HOLBS said:

I'm hoping for a big year for Woodward too - his stuff looked electric. It's shocking to me that he doesn't get put higher on prospect lists. If he catches fire early and stays healthy I think we could be talking about a September call-up

The September call up is likely a bit aggressive here imho but I can personally certainly see a path where he is pitching late season innings for Biloxi. Super duper bullish for me is Nashville innings. My main thing with this season for Jason is quite simply: stay healthy and pitch more innings. Gotta get that strength and endurance up effectively. Given his pitching toolkit, the rest will absolutely take care of itself over time.

[snoogans8056]

I posted this in the Draft Forum, but I’d like to rehash it here:

Just last year we had only 2 high school draft picks out of 12 that had birth years in the previous year (Tobias and Broughton).

Year before was 5 out of 10 (Pratt, Letson, and 3 unsigned guys).

A lot of these high draft picks / highly mocked are well into being 19. We don’t draft that.

Payne was a full year younger than most of the first round high schoolers. Bitonti and Knoth were younger than a good majority, and they were drafted the year before.

Are we basically drafting guys knowing full well that we are actually drafting them for the following year? We seem to avoid these 19 year old high school day one picks like the plague.

Especially in regards to young pitchers, are we drafting them anticipating a lost year to TJ? We’ve even been drafting guys while they’re rehabbing in some instances.

*EDIT* Fixed formatting... It just seems that we value having that extra year or two in our system (even if it's recovering from TJ) over a highly ranked guy who has been beating up on kids way younger than them. I feel like our guys are always going to be fighting uphill to be properly ranked when they start off as young draft reaches and lower bonus IFAs.

*ANOTHER EDIT* Dug through ages of the past two drafts, and the youngest player drafted in the entire 2023 draft was Eric Bitonti (11/17/05). Knoth, Bitonti, Robinson, and Chambers were all 17 when drafted (maybe a bad sign with multiple TJ's).

The youngest player drafted in the entire 2024 draft was Tyler Renz (technically a tie with Ivan Lucano of the Diamondbacks, 11/24/06). Payne, Dorchies, and Renz were all 17 when drafted.

[Joseph Zarr]

2 hours ago, snoogans8056 said:

I posted this in the Draft Forum, but I’d like to rehash it here:

“Just last year we had only 2 high school draft picks out of 12 that had birth years in the previous year (Tobias and Broughton).

Year before was 5 out of 10 (Pratt, Letson, and 3 unsigned guys).

A lot of these high draft picks / highly mocked are well into being 19. We don’t draft that.

Payne was a full year younger than most of the first round high schoolers. Bitonti and Knoth were younger than a good majority, and they were drafted the year before.”

Are we basically drafting guys knowing full well that we are actually drafting them for the following year? We seem to avoid these 19 year old high school day one picks like the plague.

Especially in regards to young pitchers, are we drafting them anticipating a lost year to TJ? We’ve even been drafting guys while they’re rehabbing in some instances.

Can you copy and paste the text instead of the quote box? It is really hard to read and you can really only read it when you quote what you posted and even then it is white text on gray background.

[jesusoftheapes]

On 9/26/2024 at 10:41 AM, jay87shot said:

Bleacher Reports ranked us the 9th best system. Here is their write up.

1. RHP Jacob Misiorowski (Tier 1)
2. C Jeferson Quero (Tier 1)
3. SS Cooper Pratt (Tier 1)
4. 1B/OF Tyler Black (Tier 1)
5. SS Jesus Made (Tier 2)
6. 1B/3B Mike Boeve (Tier 2)
7. RHP Josh Knoth (Tier 2)
8. 3B Eric Bitonti (Tier 3)
9. 1B/3B Luke Adams (Tier 3)
10. RHP Logan Henderson (Tier 3)

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Year in Review

Even with rising star Jackson Chourio exiting the prospect ranks, the Brewers still have a Top 10 farm system, led by hard-throwing Jacob Misiorowski and an intriguing collection of offensive talent.

Teenager Jesus Made was signed for $950,000 in January, and he hit .331/.458/.554 with 21 extra-base hits and 28 steals in 51 games in the Dominican Summer League, giving him a ton of helium heading into his stateside debut in 2025.

 

 

Who were the 8 teams ahead of us if you know offhand?

[Joseph Zarr]

22 hours ago, snoogans8056 said:

I feel like our guys are always going to be fighting uphill to be properly ranked when they start off as young draft reaches and lower bonus IFAs.

(I hope I haven't lost your greater point. I started this reply at my daughter's indoor swimming lesson and had to shelf it overnight😅)

I would agree with you here but, in general, and I know I beat this like a dead horse, the rankings just do not mean much. They are fun things to do and fun things to talk about BUT teams value their players in the ways they value their own players. No amount of Baseball America, Fangraphs, Baseball Prosepctus etc rankings are going to dictate how a player evolves in his respective career or who or what he becomes in a given organization. The Brewers invest quite actively in those prototypical AAAA guys - as ML Rule 5's and ML FA's  - for example, and they've found really solid success there as a means of adding an influx of close to MLB ready talent. To your earlier thoughts, I think it could be as simple as a possible organizational shift to recognizing a 'need' (more than likely just a strategy) to marry younger upside arms to their younger absurdly deep pool of upside offensive talent - especially with a vastly improved International FA standing with the new Dominican Academy.  It could also be as simple as the organization and the talent evaluators and scouts simply see more upside with these younger arms and they are comfortable their lab can maximize that upside. TJ or no TJ, I don't think that is ultimately that big a factor. Pitchers get injured. It's the nature of the physics over time on their bodies. Rankings aren't going to catch up here because they haven't seen these young men pitch in competition at the professional levels. Unless, of course, a player is putting up Made type peripherals through a season or touching 97-100 as a 17-18 yo with massive K rates. This goes back to why I personally only really invest value in that top 3-5 guys and then as a general rule think of the greater depth of players in 'Tiers and Tools' categories, if you will.

[snoogans8056]

12 minutes ago, Joseph Zarr said:

(I hope I haven't lost your greater point. I started this reply at my daughter's indoor swimming lesson and had to shelf it overnight😅)

I would agree with you here but, in general, and I know I beat this like a dead horse, the rankings just do not mean much. They are fun things to do and fun things to talk about BUT teams value their players in the ways they value their own players. No amount of Baseball America, Fangraphs, Baseball Prosepctus etc rankings are going to dictate how a player evolves in his respective career or who or what he becomes in a given organization. The Brewers invest quite actively in those prototypical AAAA guys - as ML Rule 5's and ML FA's  - for example, and they've found really solid success there as a means of adding an influx of close to MLB ready talent. To your earlier thoughts, I think it could be as simple as a possible organizational shift to recognizing a 'need' (more than likely just a strategy) to marry younger upside arms to their younger absurdly deep pool of upside offensive talent - especially with a vastly improved International FA standing with the new Dominican Academy.  It could also be as simple as the organization and the talent evaluators and scouts simply see more upside with these younger arms and they are comfortable their lab can maximize that upside. TJ or no TJ, I don't think that is ultimately that big a factor. Pitchers get injured. It's the nature of the physics over time on their bodies. Rankings aren't going to catch up here because they haven't seen these young men pitch in competition at the professional levels. Unless, of course, a player is putting up Made type peripherals through a season or touching 97-100 as a 17-18 yo with massive K rates. This goes back to why I personally only really invest value in that top 3-5 guys and then as a general rule think of the greater depth of players in 'Tiers and Tools' categories, if you will.

Yeah it's not a complaint, just an observation. Those original first impressions that these listmakers have are hard to shake. I don't think we care, nor should we.

I think we are looking at the bigger picture and are very much out in front of almost every other franchise. We see what NIL is going to do to college baseball. We see what losing levels of the minors has done to rosters. We've invested heavily in the Arizona complex, then the DSL, and now Carolina (all at the bottom rungs of the minors). We are bringing in almost exclusively undervalued 17 year olds with the most development time ahead of them and getting them into best possible situations. We haven't seen this pay off yet, but it sure as hell feels like something special is going on.

[Jim Goulart]

 

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[SF70]

20 hours ago, Jim Goulart said:

 

Add ‘Prospects Live’ to the growing list of prospect sites praising the Brewers organization, more specifically their scouting, prospect-procurement, player development and farm system.

With the team having the best teenage prospect talent in the game, adding more superior prospect classes to this team’s burgeoning powerhouse farm system has me thinking we could see this team with not only the best farm system in the game, but by a lot, and not just for a bit, but for an extended period of time.

Incredibly excited July’s 5 top 68 pick, $17M+ draft, and looking forward to the team continuing to add draft-picks that give the team the ability to stack great draft-classes. Hoping for great season’s from Woodruff-Cortes-Hoskins with the team wanting to QO and making the ‘26 draft special with extra capital as well.

[Jim Goulart]

 

[jay87shot]

I guess we could start a new thread because we are at the new season however the mlb pipeline top 30 is out. Overall I can't complain about to much that list. I would ad a young guy of Collins at 30 and a few guys could be a couple spots higher or lower but in general they did a really solid job in my opinion.

https://www.mlb.com/milb/prospects/brewers/

[Playing Catch]

That list probably wouldn't look much different than my own if I were to do the exercise. Collins is a placeholder at 30. He's 27 and has been around. He's not a prospect. No disrespect to Collins, he deserves a lot of credit for making it to the big leagues, and he's good enough to stick around for some team and produce positive WAR.

[Brewer77]

The Pipeline podcast mentioned that the Brewers have the fewest 40 FV prospects on their top 30, speaking to the depth of the system. I also don’t think it would be challenging to find ~10 prospects beyond the top 30 that have intriguing upside between recent high school draft picks and high bonus international signings 

[CheeseheadInQC]

3 hours ago, jay87shot said:

I guess we could start a new thread because we are at the new season however the mlb pipeline top 30 is out. Overall I can't complain about to much that list. I would ad a young guy of Collins at 30 and a few guys could be a couple spots higher or lower but in general they did a really solid job in my opinion.

https://www.mlb.com/milb/prospects/brewers/

It really feels like there are 26 that would make most lists with the questions on the other four. Here they are the two 2025 IFA guys, Anderson and Collins, but there are a lot of guys who could slot in there.

[sveumrules]

10 minutes ago, CheeseheadInQC said:

It really feels like there are 26 that would make most lists with the questions on the other four. Here they are the two 2025 IFA guys, Anderson and Collins, but there are a lot of guys who could slot in there.

Yeah, Ernesto and Adamczewski are the only two that aren't on there that I'd try to make sure got on my Top 30, but other than Collins not sure who I'd take off either.

[Scooterfletcher]

On 3/5/2025 at 12:21 PM, sveumrules said:

Yeah, Ernesto and Adamczewski are the only two that aren't on there that I'd try to make sure got on my Top 30, but other than Collins not sure who I'd take off either.

How is Ernesto not top 15 or at minimum top 20?

[sveumrules]

31 minutes ago, Scooterfletcher said:

How is Ernesto not top 15 or at minimum top 20?

I personally had him #20 in the last vote we did, but the main factors holding him back for those that don’t have him that high would be…

1) depth of the system. last balloting there were 15 more or less consensus guys who showed up on at least 24 of the 27 ballots and KC Hunt was on 21 of the 27 at #16.

2) he’s been old for his level every step of the way and is at the bottom of the defensive spectrum as a 1B prospect.

3) outside of his last 200 PAs of 2024 his production has always been more good than OMG WHA HAPPEND so there’s still some question if it was just a hot streak to end the year or if Ernesto figured something out that unlocked a new talent level

[Jim Goulart]

 

[Team Canada]

I was not expecting to see Cooper Pratt at 98, below Tyler Black at 95.

[Jim Goulart]

Jesus Made gets the headline but come for the Luis Lara, Eduardo Garcia and Jack Hostetler (!) storylines via Tom Flanagan