The Colorado Rockies Are Lowering Payroll - Is Third Baseman Ryan McMahon Available?

[Redd Vencher]

38 minutes ago, Scooterfletcher said:

I would do my Simien type idea for McMahon.   That is McMahon and his whole contract for Hoby Milner, Bryce Wilson, and Jake Bauers.   Bauers could do really well in Coors and Milner and Wilson may actually pitch well there too.  We save a bit of salary moving the three of them and opens up a bit of PT for Tyler Black to try grab as well.

When proposing trades it has to make sense for the other team as well. Can't just throw a pile of scraps and expect that's a trade the other side will accept. Rockies are going to want prospects.

[True Blue Brew Crew]

16 hours ago, Scooterfletcher said:

I would do my Simien type idea for McMahon.   That is McMahon and his whole contract for Hoby Milner, Bryce Wilson, and Jake Bauers.   Bauers could do really well in Coors and Milner and Wilson may actually pitch well there too.  We save a bit of salary moving the three of them and opens up a bit of PT for Tyler Black to try grab as well.

Literally zero trades like this happen in MLB

[BrewerFan]

On 10/23/2024 at 1:52 PM, TURBO said:

DH, 3B and 1B as of now, today, are massive holes, especially when considering that those are typically power positions.  Can Hoskins rebound?  Might he be able to fill one of those holes either at 1B or DH?  We shall see.

We have no idea if Sal can even play a passable 3B, much less a good one.  Power is just arriving?  What does that even mean?  So he will be flying out to almost the warning track rather than short outfield?  Geez.

Yelich, Contreras, Hoskins are not "massive holes."

[BrewerFan]

17 hours ago, Scooterfletcher said:

I would do my Simien type idea for McMahon.   That is McMahon and his whole contract for Hoby Milner, Bryce Wilson, and Jake Bauers.   Bauers could do really well in Coors and Milner and Wilson may actually pitch well there too.  We save a bit of salary moving the three of them and opens up a bit of PT for Tyler Black to try grab as well.

Still not sure why you think a team is going to take 3 players we would otherwise just DFA. 

[SF70]

On 10/23/2024 at 2:52 PM, TURBO said:

DH, 3B and 1B as of now, today, are massive holes, especially when considering that those are typically power positions.  Can Hoskins rebound?  Might he be able to fill one of those holes either at 1B or DH?  We shall see.

We have no idea if Sal can even play a passable 3B, much less a good one.  Power is just arriving?  What does that even mean?  So he will be flying out to almost the warning track rather than short outfield?  Geez.

1 hole, 3B, and 1 weakness, utility IF.

I think we see both fixed with outside additions. 3B by trade (Suarez-McMahon-Bohm-One of Texas’s 3B), or FA (Moncada).

Utiliy IF with IKF/DeJong/other.

This is the strongest returning Brewers team I can remember for at least the last 14 years but probably longer.

[Jim Goulart]

Linking to Jack Stern’s excellent November feature article you will find here thanks to this rumor:

 

[ghostdrew]

So I said the same thing and I get laughed at

[Mr Southpaw]

A .240 hitter who will hit 20 HRs a year and make 44 million over the next 3 years?  If he is super great on the defensive side, maybe.  There is a good reason they are selling, beware.  I would not give up too much!  

I could see them giving up Hoskins, at least the money is pretty equal.

[umphrey]

I’m honestly only taking McMahon if they pay a bunch of his salary and give him away for free. I don’t see any way he gets 3 years $44 on the open market as a FA right now. 

[DR28]

OMG yes, this needs to happen!! I hope that rumor is true!

[Scooterfletcher]

We aren’t getting McMahon “for free” or the equivalent.   But it won’t take a top five prospect involved and possibly not a top ten prospect either.   But I personally am preparing myself for Boeve to be the headliner which will be tough if it comes to fruition. 

[brewerfan82]

McMahon is tough guy to evaluate from a trade perspective. Despite the fact that he consistently hits 20-24 HRs each year and  gets on base at a decent enough .325 clip, he also grades out as having slightly below average overall offensive production with wRC+ hovering in the mid-to-low 90s each season (no thanks to his K% that sits up close to 30%).

On the flip side, he's a great defensive 3B, making him worth 2-3 WAR each season overall. Over the past 4 seasons, he's second in defensive runs saved, and 4th in UZR/150 among third basemen:

From a contract standpoint, he's owed $12M this year, and then $16M each of '26 and '27. Poking around the trades on the BTV site, it looks like they have him valued at -$20.3M over the course of that contract.

Hoskins, who has been mentioned as a possible swap, is valued at -$12.4M. So even with him, the Rockies might need to kick in some money (which as we saw in the Arenado trade, they may not shy away from). But even then, I don't want to add McMahon to the lineup at the cost of creating a hole at first and losing what I hope to be a rebound season of Hoskins. Although, I guess at that point you could go with a Canha/Black platoon at first.

It looks like Mike Boeve is valued around $7M, so unless the Rockies are sending $9M per year to offset McMahon's contract, that doesn't seem likely as well (although at that point from a Brewers' perspective, I might take McMahon for threes years at $3M, $7M, and $7M in exchange for Boeve).

So while I'd love to insert him into the lineup, and it's salivating thinking of a McMahon/Ortiz/Turang defensive infield, it may be tricky figuring out a trade that makes sense. That said, let's see if MA can work some magic!

 

[DR28]

So this is probably happening right? Since we never let the names out of dudes we're going after.

Is this Sean Wright guy legit? I see he's NBA, why the hell would he have a MLB rumor???

[jay87shot]

If we could do McMahon for couple of lower ranked prospects (and the Rockies eat 6-14 million, better prospects for more money eaten or Rhys could go) I would be ok with this but my concern with him is the strikeouts. I don't see a path where he hits better out of Coors, his splits aren't terrible and he can play a good 3rd and 1st if we would need him to move. There is at least good consistency from him, he has been a 2-4 WAR player for basically his entire career. 

[endaround]

If you think McMahon has -20M in value, you have no reason to trade for him because that basically says he's already a liability at his salary.  And its not like he's making a huge amount. I can see how you get there if you think he's a 1.5 win player this year and loses 0.5 win for age 31 and 32. So he'll provide 3 wins over the next three years at the cost  of $48 million.  But then why are you even asking about him?  

If you think he'll be like a 2, 2, 1.5 win player over the next three seasons, then he is worth basically exactly his contract so there is no real cost unless Colorado picks up some salary in order to buy a prospect from the Brewers.

[Lloyd330]

1 hour ago, DR28 said:

So this is probably happening right? Since we never let the names out of dudes we're going after.

Is this Sean Wright guy legit? I see he's NBA, why the hell would he have a MLB rumor???

He's not legit..He takes things from other people and puts it out there

[DR28]

8 minutes ago, Lloyd330 said:

He's not legit..He takes things from other people and puts it out there

So the rumor is legit from somewhere then.... Really hope this happens tho!

[wallus]

Black for McMahon plus cash makes too much sense to happen 

[bigred]

26 minutes ago, DR28 said:

So the rumor is legit from somewhere then.... Really hope this happens tho!

Rumors are just that......rumors. Most are put out there for people to read, just to stir up drama. 

[tmwiese55]

Definitely would've preferred some other routes.  And of course shocking they'd be looking at this due to how cheap they are and have no desire to win or spend money.  But if CO kicks in at least some salary I'll definitely take this to get a solid proven mid level player with some pop.  Fits our emphasis of great defense. Assuming the money gets down ballpark 3/30 its really not that big of a risk. 

[endaround]

6 minutes ago, tmwiese55 said:

Definitely would've preferred some other routes.  And of course shocking they'd be looking at this due to how cheap they are and have no desire to win or spend money.  But if CO kicks in at least some salary I'll definitely take this to get a solid proven mid level player with some pop.  Fits our emphasis of great defense. Assuming the money gets down ballpark 3/30 its really not that big of a risk. 

But if that's the case you need to send a real prospects back.  Getting it down to $30 million creates $12-14 million in surplus value. That is approximately 2 FV 45 prospects. 

On the other hand Colorado operates differently from any other organization. Which means they may just give McMahon away or demand a top prospect.

[Scooterfletcher]

Would be nice if we had the depth to deal some somewhat expendable pieces to trade for McMahon because I am of the belief that he has value and won’t be anywhere near free.   Pre-injury Perkins, Payamps, and a lotto ticket or something to that effect would have been my preference.  

[bigred]

8 minutes ago, Scooterfletcher said:

Would be nice if we had the depth to deal some somewhat expendable pieces to trade for McMahon because I am of the belief that he has value and won’t be anywhere near free.   Pre-injury Perkins, Payamps, and a lotto ticket or something to that effect would have been my preference.  

I see you're still in the habit of thinking teams will be willing to basically just give us players for sending them our scrubs/players that we could easily DFA, and a bag of used batting practice balls. Sigh....that's just not going to happen. 

[sveumrules]

14 minutes ago, Scooterfletcher said:

Would be nice if we had the depth to deal some somewhat expendable pieces to trade for McMahon because I am of the belief that he has value and won’t be anywhere near free.   Pre-injury Perkins, Payamps, and a lotto ticket or something to that effect would have been my preference.  

Rockies don't need Perkins because they already have Brenton Doyle in CF as one of their few actually decent players. Not sure why they'd want to pay someone like Payamps in the bullpen after back to back 100 loss seasons either.

Think upper minors guys like Boeve (hit tool should play up at Coors) or Wichrowski (Rockies love big fastballs) would be more along the lines of what COL would be looking for.

[tmwiese55]

Not sure of their 1B/OF situation but first name that pops in my head is Black.