2025 NFL Discussion

[Jimbo]

2 minutes ago, OldSchoolSnapper said:

Everything about that Steelers finish looked Green and Gold until Baltimore missed the field goal, which of course never happens for us. 

2024...Bears...

[Recovering Chicagoan]

1 minute ago, OldSchoolSnapper said:

Everything about that Steelers finish looked Green and Gold until Baltimore missed the field goal, which of course never happens for us. 

Ain’t it the truth!

[yourout]

I got to say those two teams really bring the lumber to each other. 

There's got to be in astounding number of bruises tomorrow.

[HarryDoyle]

5 hours ago, OldSchoolSnapper said:

Not so sure Aaron is done. Steelers want him back and you'd be hard pressed to find more pathetic QB play since 2018 than Pitt. Atrociously bad at that position. They will at least try to talk him back, I think. Not sure why since he is carrying them to purgatory, but I think he'll be back. 

Maybe we can bring him in next year to back up Love.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

8 hours ago, Jimbo said:

2024...Bears...

Blocked though, and completed full circle by of course beating us the next game with a FG.

[homer]

9 hours ago, Jimbo said:

2024...Bears...

1983 Redskins! 

https://youtu.be/XrSOf27sDwQ?si=DPs1qtW5DyiM4D75

[adambr2]

10 hours ago, OldSchoolSnapper said:

Everything about that Steelers finish looked Green and Gold until Baltimore missed the field goal, which of course never happens for us. 

We all know if that kick was for our playoff lives, Loop could have come onto the field drunk, blindfolded and barefoot and he would have split the uprights. 

[young guns]

I was going to say that not even Rodgers can stop the steelers from finishing 9-8, but here we are.

[Zad Fnark]

2 hours ago, homer said:

1983 Redskins! 

https://youtu.be/XrSOf27sDwQ?si=DPs1qtW5DyiM4D75

That brings back some memories.  Lots of names I've forgotten.

In my last job, I actually worked with Eddie Garcia.  I would chat with him now and then and he was a really nice guy.  Too bad he just passed away recently.  He had retired a couple years ago.

[JosephC]

8 hours ago, HarryDoyle said:

Maybe we can bring him in next year to back up Love.

Regarding Rodgers, I know that "back up" comment was a joke, but it is interesting to take a look at his 2025 stacked against the other quarterbacks.

QB rating finish was 14th in the league.  That was better than franchise QBs named Justin Herbert, C.J. Stroud, Baker Mayfield, Patrick Mahomes.  And for the hype of some of the young (and not so young in Lawrence's case) QBs with impressive W/L records, Rodgers QB rating was better than Trevor Lawrence, Caleb Williams and Bo Nix.  And in the case of Nix...a lot better, not even close better.

I know QB rating is by no means a definitive stat measuring QB play, but I do think it is accurate enough to show that Rodgers is still a legitimate starting QB in this league, and many of these other guys may be good, but not good to the level that the media has hyped them up.

Another 10 win season and another playoff trip for the old man.

  

[Fear The Chorizo]

Harbaugh out in Baltimore...

 

If I'm Policy, I get on the line with him now and gauge his interest if there is any thought of making changes to the Packer coaches and front office - i think he's a good coach who takes care of dramatically improving special teams, and has the pull to bring in quality coordinators.  Thinking his firing has more to do with getting stale in Baltimore.

[LouisEly]

1 hour ago, Fear The Chorizo said:

Harbaugh out in Baltimore...

 

If I'm Policy, I get on the line with him now and gauge his interest if there is any thought of making changes to the Packer coaches and front office - i think he's a good coach who takes care of dramatically improving special teams, and has the pull to bring in quality coordinators.  Thinking his firing has more to do with getting stale in Baltimore.

He's had eight years of 2x MVP Lamar Jackson and never made the Super Bowl, the conference championship only once.  Missed the playoffs twice, twice lost the WC round, 3x lost the Division round. 

People complain about MLF not making the Super Bowl with four years of Rodgers... what has Harbaugh accomplished with 8 years of Jackson?

[HarveysWBs]

37 minutes ago, LouisEly said:

He's had eight years of 2x MVP Lamar Jackson and never made the Super Bowl, the conference championship only once.  Missed the playoffs twice, twice lost the WC round, 3x lost the Division round. 

People complain about MLF not making the Super Bowl with four years of Rodgers... what has Harbaugh accomplished with 8 years of Jackson?

Harbaugh is a very good coach, maybe even a great one. But setting aside the fact that I think LaFleur is all but assured to return barring a major breakdown in contract negotiations, I don’t think Harbaugh is right for where this team is currently.

In his favor, Harbaugh brings a rock solid reputation. I’d wager that he would probably clean up some of the penalty and focus issues we’ve seen recently, and almost certainly improve special teams (though the fact that he got fired partially because his kicker missed a gimme is kind of ironic). This might be enough to convince me if our team had a late-career, all-time QB in place (like mid to late 30s Favre or Rodgers) and we just needed a steady hand at the helm.

But if a change must be made, this team, which is still fairly young and still needs Love to grow to reach his ceiling, needs an offensive mind. Harbaugh might get lucky and find one to be his OC (assuming the team doesn’t cheap out and foist somebody like Steno on him as OC and play-caller, which would fit their track record with assistant coaches). But if he chooses good assistants, they would constantly be poached, and we’d be back at square one repeatedly. The obvious answer is to go find the next great offensive mind and just make him the HC, which keeps the most important phase in the game in great shape.

Harbaugh just isn’t right for this team’s life cycle, in my estimation. He’s like (an admittedly better) John Fox, who you hire if you have Peyton Manning, but that isn’t our situation. It just doesn’t look like a fit to me.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

I had no idea Eliot Wolf has been in New England for a while, has been GM the last two seasons and drafted Maye along with several other hits. Holy whiff, Green Bay. 

[Fear The Chorizo]

14 hours ago, LouisEly said:

He's had eight years of 2x MVP Lamar Jackson and never made the Super Bowl, the conference championship only once.  Missed the playoffs twice, twice lost the WC round, 3x lost the Division round. 

People complain about MLF not making the Super Bowl with four years of Rodgers... what has Harbaugh accomplished with 8 years of Jackson?

Mahomes and Andy Reid had a ton to say about that...along with Belicheck and Brady.  Not to mention injuries and inconsistent postseason play on Jackson's part and choke-level drops from receivers and kickers (who wouldnt even be in that position if not for an all time great being a degenerate off the field).

 

Being reported that at least 1 team who currently doesn't have a coaching opening has already reached out to Harbaugh's team....thinking that could easily be the Packers.

 

The Packers have perenially been a special teams doormat along with having coaches who cant seem to grasp clock management at a grade school level in critical moments of a game, and it has cost them title runs - say what you will about leaning towards an offensive or defensive minded head coach, but at this point I'd like to have a coach who knows special teams and who can rely on coordinators to call plays while he has his pulse on other game/clock management situations.  Harbaugh is just that, and he would be my #1  choice if the Packers opt to send MLF packing should they lose this weekend.

[LouisEly]

41 minutes ago, Fear The Chorizo said:

Mahomes and Andy Reid had a ton to say about that...along with Belicheck and Brady.  Not to mention injuries and inconsistent postseason play on Jackson's part and choke-level drops from receivers.

Harbaugh lost to the Chiefs and Patriots in the playoffs a combined total of once in the seven seasons he's been with Jackson.

I was told that every team has injuries.

[Fear The Chorizo]

8 minutes ago, LouisEly said:

Harbaugh lost to the Chiefs and Patriots in the playoffs a combined total of once in the eight seasons he's been with Jackson.

I was told that every team has injuries.

I simply think the reason the Ravens didn't get to a Super Bowl since the last time they won it in 2013 under Harbaugh wasn't his coaching.  Jackson won 2 regular season MVPs during this stretch, but he hasn't been a difference-making player in the playoffs - in fact he's been a turnover machine.

Baltimore moving on from Harbaugh to me feels more like the Eagles moving on from Andy Reid than anything.  He's a damn good NFL head coach.

[CheezWizHed]

6 hours ago, OldSchoolSnapper said:

I had no idea Eliot Wolf has been in New England for a while, has been GM the last two seasons and drafted Maye along with several other hits. Holy whiff, Green Bay. 

I guess his time in Cleveland doesn't count then...  Drafting Maye is about an easy of a decision as you could make.  Give him a few years drafting in the 20s and then get back to this comparison. 

[SeaBass]

32 minutes ago, CheezWizHed said:

I guess his time in Cleveland doesn't count then...  Drafting Maye is about an easy of a decision as you could make.  Give him a few years drafting in the 20s and then get back to this comparison. 

Yeah, I like how N.E. being trash and then landing a QB with a #3 overall pick somehow translates to "whiff" for Green Bay. The Packers haven't picked in the top 3 since 1989. Man, they sure do suck.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

For one, Wolf wasn't the GM in Cleveland, but acting like Maye is the only thing they've done right is crazy. I implore anyone that thinks that to just do some quick googling of their current roster. How many teams pick in the top 10 every year and still suck? What QB is Minnesota on? How long did it take Chicago? Just admit there are some sour grapes we probably picked the wrong guy and move on.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

31 minutes ago, SeaBass said:

Yeah, I like how N.E. being trash and then landing a QB with a #3 overall pick somehow translates to "whiff" for Green Bay. The Packers haven't picked in the top 3 since 1989. Man, they sure do suck.

Who said they suck? That's a lot of hyperbole to explain Lukas Van Ness and the litany of bust early picks. And I actually Gute is probably in the top 1/3 of drafters, just toward the end of that list and not anything spectacular.

[SeaBass]

27 minutes ago, OldSchoolSnapper said:

Who said they suck? That's a lot of hyperbole to explain Lukas Van Ness and the litany of bust early picks. And I actually Gute is probably in the top 1/3 of drafters, just toward the end of that list and not anything spectacular.

You called it a whiff. As in, swing and a miss. If the words you are using to convey your message aren't being interpreted correctly that sounds like a "you" problem.

[LouisEly]

2 hours ago, OldSchoolSnapper said:

For one, Wolf wasn't the GM in Cleveland, but acting like Maye is the only thing they've done right is crazy. 

They also spent a lot in FA.  IIRC, one of the top 3 teams.  Easier to do that with a QB on a rookie contract with a cap hit of $8.3M than a 2nd-contract QB with a $29.7M cap hit.

[endaround]

1 minute ago, LouisEly said:

They also spent a lot in FA.  IIRC, one of the top 3 teams.  Easier to do that with a QB on a rookie contract with a cap hit of $8.3M than a 2nd-contract QB with a $29.7M cap hit.

They also played an historically easy schedule.  

 

[OldSchoolSnapper]

6 hours ago, SeaBass said:

You called it a whiff. As in, swing and a miss. If the words you are using to convey your message aren't being interpreted correctly that sounds like a "you" problem.

If you draft Clyde Drexler instead of Michael Jordan, that's still a whiff. Sounds like a reading comprehension problem.

I am trying to imagine the shoe being on the other foot and can't stop laughing. If the Packers transitioned QBs, coaches etc. and were stuck in a 7-seed purgatory, everybody would be making excuses for said GM because there was a regime change...oh wait...

I mean, look at the last few posts. They spent a bunch in FA, that's being used as an excuse? And the Packers haven't since Gute got here? If you spend money on Aaron Banks and Nate Hobbs, it's still money. 

Considering that almost everyone assumed Wolf was the guy, I think it's more than fair to blast the Packers IF he ends up being a superstar executive. Which at this point, he is not, but what NE has done and the speed they've done it is impressive, having a top 5 pick is not a guarantee of anything, or we wouldn't see the same teams there every year.