Brewers (Patrick) vs White Sox (Burke): 5/1/25, 1:10pm

[edfunderburk]

We need to shuffle 4-5 bottom of the roster players out & get some new bodies up if for nothing more than change & giving other players a chance

We seem to have several non MLB players on the big league team 

Any update on injuries … Ashby, Hall, Civale, Perkins, others?

[edfunderburk]

10 minutes ago, willie key said:

Yoho sucks.    I think that pretty much is a given now

At least your post is true today

[duewizard]

Just now, Jopal78 said:

Where are you getting this from? He doesn’t throw hard and can’t land his off speed and breaking pitches for strikes. That doesn’t scream “undeniably good stuff”. Rather it screams a deception style pitcher who  hasn’t been able to fool major league hitters as he did the lesser competition in the minors. Air bender part 2…. Ha!  

I watched him play in Appleton, Biloxi and Nashville several times. I have heard the opinion's of people like Joseph Zarr who watched every single inning he pitched last year. I've read the things guys like Spencer Michaelis or Ben Badler have written about him and what Baseball America calls a 70-75 grade change up. I might be wrong and prospect flame out all the time, but my judgement comes from more than 4 innings of major league ball

[Sixtolezcano]

Yoho = Payamps (at least ERA).

[duewizard]

7 minutes ago, Sixtolezcano said:

It seriously might be time to send Yoho back down to Louisville for some extra seasoning rather than having him pitch in the majors.

To Nashville but yes agreed. Needs to tinker with some stuff and regain his confidence

[edfunderburk]

15 minutes ago, TURBO said:

What goodWW does it do to leave him out there now? Too young to mess with his head like this. Bad managerial move s it do What good doWhat good does it do to leave him out there now? Too young to mess with his head like this. Bad managerial move here.es it do to leave him out there now? Too young to mess with his head like this. Bad managerial move here.to leave him out there now? Too young to mess with his head like this. Bad managerial move here.

Murphy blew through the bullpen yesterday to “teach Myers a lesson” … now he is letting Yoho get shelled … stubborn old dude

[tmwiese55]

Obviously today was bad.  But he was generally fine before this, a relief pitcher having a blowup game doesn't automatically mean they suck.  It happens to everyone.

That said, being so reliant on a changeup is something I don't love, it was also a reason Williams always felt so shaky to me as the changeup so often floats out of the zone.  Williams obviously overcame it and Hoffman was dominant too so it can be done, but generally why I'll take the hard thrower with hard sliders if I had my choice.   So many times watching Williams I just felt like the other team could put their bat on the shoulder and just get walked over and over, but he found away to make them swing. Of course it helped he also threw upper 90s

[edfunderburk]

We must make a few roster moves before the Cubs series just to indicate that we care about winning 

[Brian]

3 minutes ago, edfunderburk said:

Murphy blew through the bullpen yesterday to “teach Myers a lesson” … now he is letting Yoho get shelled … stubborn old dude

Murphy needs to be replaced and I thought we wouldn't lose much when Counsell left with a few of our coaches to the Cubs. Boy was I wrong. 

[BruisedCrew]

Maybe send Yoho to Louisville and hope that the Reds bring him up to face the Brewers.

[Brian]

They are looking more and more like a minor league team every game this season.  Murphy is starting to sound stupid in his post game shows with his bag of excuses. “He that is good for making excuses is seldom good for anything else.” —Benjamin Franklin 

“Failure is the opportunity to begin again more intelligently.” – Henry Ford. 

[Brian]

3 hours ago, Brian said:

Or maybe the the SS position is to much for Ortiez, affecting his whole game. 

Javier Baiz' moves to Center Field batting .364 since on MLB Network.  Robin Yount did the same thing. 

[Jim French Stepstool]

He was far from sharp today but I felt bad for Patrick. He was this close to getting through six but couldn't catch a break on what was probably Vaughns' best AB of the whole series. Would've liked to see Yoho (or whoever) then start the 7th clean. May not have made a difference, but it often does.

But at the end of the day if you can't generate offense...........you can't have Yelich & Chourio disappearing on this consistent a basis & right now they're both invisible. Today our DH, who hits left-handed, needed a day off---vs a RHP---after looking terrible on Wednesday. Hate to think about it, but is the guy healthy?

[Jim French Stepstool]

1 hour ago, Brian said:

They are looking more and more like a minor league team every game this season.  Murphy is starting to sound stupid in his post game shows with his bag of excuses. “He that is good for making excuses is seldom good for anything else.” —Benjamin Franklin 

“Failure is the opportunity to begin again more intelligently.” – Henry Ford. 

"It's a round ball & a round bat & you gotta hit it square"--Joe Schultz.

[SomewhereInTime]

2 hours ago, edfunderburk said:

Murphy blew through the bullpen yesterday to “teach Myers a lesson” … now he is letting Yoho get shelled … stubborn old dude

I mean Myers really struggled through those two innings and was very lucky to only have given up two runs.  I guess fans complain now when a manager manages to try and win the game.

[sveumrules]

White Sox have beat BOS (three times lol), MIN (twice), LAA, ATH, and us for their eight wins.

Rockies have beat TBR, ATL, WAS, ATH, and us for their five wins.

So at this still early juncture it’s just the Brewers and A’s that have lost to each of the two legitimately horrendous teams.

It would be perfectly reasonable to find this kind of not so fun fact to be a harbinger of doom, but I don’t see it like that.

Way I see things, Afterlife Ueck was never gonna pull those strings seven months straight for wire to wire dominance, that wouldn’t be exciting.

I think Zombie Bob is a lil more mischievous than that. He’s gonna want to inject some drama (and levity) into the proceedings, some ups and downs along the way.

Curious to see what heavenly delights he has in store for the first Cubs series.

[treego14]

I hate when we lose by eight!

[yfinn6]

Bad games against bad teams happen. I would probably give Yoho another few outings before declaring he sucks. 

The offense today was bad. Several bad at bats and generally punchless. 

[Brian]

Murphy as a HS kid talking.  

https://clip.cafe/the-breakfast-club-1985/chicks-cannot-hold-their-smoke-thats-what-is/

 

[Jopal78]

5 hours ago, duewizard said:

I watched him play in Appleton, Biloxi and Nashville several times. I have heard the opinion's of people like Joseph Zarr who watched every single inning he pitched last year. I've read the things guys like Spencer Michaelis or Ben Badler have written about him and what Baseball America calls a 70-75 grade change up. I might be wrong and prospect flame out all the time, but my judgement comes from more than 4 innings of major league ball

“Undeniably good stuff” (your words) isn’t a 92 mph fastball. Sorry, and it does t matter how many times you e seen him pitch or what you've read.

Yoho is a finesse pitcher who needs to command his stuff to have any chance in the major leagues.
 

In time, maybe Yoho will figure out how to paint major league corners and get batters to chase, but right now he’s Wayne Franklin.

[edfunderburk]

5 hours ago, SomewhereInTime said:

I mean Myers really struggled through those two innings and was very lucky to only have given up two runs.  I guess fans complain now when a manager manages to try and win the game.

I was referring to Murphy’s postgame condescending comments about Myers - he sounded like an old man … “Get off my lawn”

[Jim French Stepstool]

5 hours ago, SomewhereInTime said:

I mean Myers really struggled through those two innings and was very lucky to only have given up two runs.  I guess fans complain now when a manager manages to try and win the game.

This. Myers was removed because he deserved to be removed, and the BP was able to absorb the innings that day.

[dlk9s]

14 hours ago, sveumrules said:

White Sox have beat BOS (three times lol), MIN (twice), LAA, ATH, and us for their eight wins.

Rockies have beat TBR, ATL, WAS, ATH, and us for their five wins.

So at this still early juncture it’s just the Brewers and A’s that have lost to each of the two legitimately horrendous teams.

It would be perfectly reasonable to find this kind of not so fun fact to be a harbinger of doom, but I don’t see it like that.

The White Sox and Rockies are still professional baseball teams and will still win games this season. It's not like we got swept by them. We won both series. Like every team, there are concerns with the Brewers, but to me, a .667 winning percentage in two series is not one of them.

[duewizard]

14 hours ago, Jopal78 said:

“Undeniably good stuff” (your words) isn’t a 92 mph fastball. Sorry, and it does t matter how many times you e seen him pitch or what you've read.

Yoho is a finesse pitcher who needs to command his stuff to have any chance in the major leagues.
 

In time, maybe Yoho will figure out how to paint major league corners and get batters to chase, but right now he’s Wayne Franklin.

The changeup is undeniably good. The rest is ok. Maybe I wasn't clear

Well you asked where my assessment came from. I dont know what was the answer you were looking for

[Jopal78]

2 hours ago, duewizard said:

The changeup is undeniably good. The rest is ok. Maybe I wasn't clear

Well you asked where my assessment came from. I dont know what was the answer you were looking for

Sure, the change up has movement to it; that alone doesn’t make it a good pitch. In fact according to STF+ on Fangraphs, the change up has been his worst pitch so far in the majors.

Without a fastball to blow by hitters, he’s got to land the off speed and breaking pitches for strikes, and/or fool batters into swinging at them out of the zone.

Again, small sample but in the majors Yoho is not fooling anyone with his pitches. In the majors there has been just an 18% swing rate at Yoho’s pitches outside the zone, compared to 33% in the minors, and the contact rate when a batter swings at any pitch of his is 80%.

So without a fastball and not fooling anyone nor being able to command his arsenal I questioned the basis of your opinion that Yoho has undeniably good stuff