When does Arnold start to receive some criticism

[bigred]

1 hour ago, bigred said:

So, it's safe to say you couldn't care less if the Brewers ever win a title, correct? Being good in the regular season is enough for you and the click, right? And hoarding prospects, just for the sake of hoarding them, is fine with you? Ok, you're entitled to your opinions, as am I. We've been a very good small market team for quite a while now, so at this point, is ok to expect more, or to at least try. I know I'm not the only one here to feel this way, either. 

I most certainly did. You just hate me so much, that you must not read my whole comments. I said as an expiring contract, I don't think Suarez will cost as much as some here, think. I didn't name actual prospects, partly because nobody answers my questions. If having 1 of the best MLB records, sweeping the Dodgers season series, and having a deep system isn't enough to try and go for it, what WILL be enough? 

Being undefeated at the All-Star break? 

[bigred]

15 minutes ago, BrewerFan said:

And YET AGAIN you were unable to answer who you'd be willing to give up. 

And you made a  bunch of REALLY asinine statements because I said I wasn't willing to give up a Chourio caliber prospect... but this one is a switch hitting SS or the guy that some people think is even better, the SS/2B/3B with 70 speed.

What team in Baseball do you suppose IS trading those types of prospects for rentals?

 

You have a remarkable ability to either pretend to be really obtuse or... you're not pretending. That'd be sadder. 

 

Did you really need THREE posts to respond to one post of mine...and in doing so, not answer ONE single question?

This logic that we should trade anyone and do whatever it takes for 2 months because we beat the Dodgers doesnt' mean sweeping the Dodgers... in TWO 3 game series is "a big nothing burger." It mean that's not a good enough reason to trade Pratt, Pena, Made, Quero.

 

You'd have traded Chourio a couple seasons ago, you'd have traded Misiorowski last year. 

It's your exact mentality that'd prevent the Brewers from every being a competitive team. 

 

Ok, and here's your third example of NOT being able to answer some simple questions, but who is arguing "that." 

 

What is the "that?" We should give up whoever it takes to get 2 months of a rental? 

Since I've asked and you responded by defending the position, that is clearly your position. Made, Pena, Pratt, whoever it takes...to get 2 months of a rental. And then watch them for 7 years of 10 years as in the case of Chourio and watch as they thrive elsewhere and the Brewers are irrelevant because you don't seem to grasp how small market teams have to try and win.

By the way, I seem to recall you claiming the large market teams don't "need to make trades because they have the money to pay Free Agents." Why are the Cubs, Yankees, Phillies all trying to trade for Suarez?

 

It's a bit difficult to take any of this seriously when you had to reply to one post... three times and not actually respond to the questions posed. 

And I get it, you don't have answers, you just want to complain and "do something," because you "won't settle" for mediocrity... which is always an amusing statement among fans. Nobody cares what YOU will "settle" for.

Of course I wouldn't give up Made for Suarez. That would be asinine. You obviously make wild assumptions of what my comments mean, and you're almost always WAY off. Wow. That's on you, not me. 

[bigred]

14 minutes ago, liveforoctober said:

I'm going to enjoy my summer man even if it's 95 degrees with a heat index over a million today. Even if it pours rain for a few days or if we get weeks of cloud cover. It's going to be a great summer. Because I like summer. That doesn't mean I wouldn't love for it to be 80 degrees and sunny with a slight breeze everyday.

You know what else I'm not going to do? I'm not going to walk around shouting into a megaphone how it isn't 80 and sunny everyday, trying to ruin everyone else's enjoyment of the season to somehow prove I know what the best summer actually is?

It is definitely friggin hot out there! We're in the dog days of summer for sure. As a ginger, I can't stand this heat and humidity. Lol

[MVP2110]

8 minutes ago, bigred said:

Of course I wouldn't give up Made for Suarez. That would be asinine. You obviously make wild assumptions of what my comments mean, and you're almost always WAY off. Wow. That's on you, not me. 

Maybe people wouldn't make assumptions if you'd be willing to say what prospects you'd be willing to part with?

[Team Canada]

11 minutes ago, bigred said:

I said as an expiring contract, I don't think Suarez will cost as much as some here, think. I didn't name actual prospects, partly because nobody answers my questions.

But I think that's part of the problem. No one is inherently against getting someone. But it's hard to debate "We should get Suarez, he won't cost that much" other than saying "yes he will". What package would you be willing to provide that you think is fair?

It's not about an expiring contract. Suarez is indisputably the top bat available, for good reason. He is wanted by multiple teams. That will drive the price up, since that's how markets work. What's your guess at what the Brewers would have to give up to get him?

My guess is if you don't think it will take that much, everyone one else would also be fine giving up those prospects for Suarez, but it's hard to react to something that you choose not to provide.

[bigred]

19 minutes ago, liveforoctober said:

I'm going to enjoy my summer man even if it's 95 degrees with a heat index over a million today. Even if it pours rain for a few days or if we get weeks of cloud cover. It's going to be a great summer. Because I like summer. That doesn't mean I wouldn't love for it to be 80 degrees and sunny with a slight breeze everyday.

You know what else I'm not going to do? I'm not going to walk around shouting into a megaphone how it isn't 80 and sunny everyday, trying to ruin everyone else's enjoyment of the season to somehow prove I know what the best summer actually is?

I'm not trying to ruin anyone's parade. Just trying to get some "fans" here to stop settling for mediocrity, Being good in the regular season means the Crew are just pretenders. Very good pretenders, but pretenders nonetheless. If wanting the Crew to actually win a title makes me a "bad person", then so be it. If they don't care if we ever win a title, then what's the point of being a "fan" then? 

 

[bigred]

9 minutes ago, MVP2110 said:

Maybe people wouldn't make assumptions if you'd be willing to say what prospects you'd be willing to part with?

As far as our top"ish" prospects go, if we absolutely HAD to, I'd give up Pratt +for him. Maybe even more I'd have to think about it more, to come up with a true package for him. Don't think it will take as much as people think, to get him. We need a power bat in a major way. 

[BrewerFan]

9 minutes ago, bigred said:

Of course I wouldn't give up Made for Suarez. That would be asinine. You obviously make wild assumptions of what my comments mean, and you're almost always WAY off. Wow. That's on you, not me. 

LOL... you have got to be kidding me, right?

Have you been following this thread? I've asked... probably half a dozen times WHAT and WHO you expect to give up to make these trades. 

You've come back with asinine strawman arguments such as;

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So, it's safe to say you couldn't care less if the Brewers ever win a title, correct? Being good in the regular season is enough for you and the click, right? And hoarding prospects, just for the sake of hoarding them, is fine with you? 

This is the type of ridiculous strawman since you been unable to articulate exactly what you propose we do other than "go for it because we beat the Dodgers." 

And yes, that's CLEARLY my opinion. Don't care if the Brewers ever win a title... you're DEFINITELY more likely to win a title with 2 months of a player having a career year at 34. 

Being good in the regular season is... all I care about. I lack the capacity to see how teams like AZ, the 87 win Braves, the Nats when they had a depleted Pen or other teams simply got hot at the right time. 

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Most here sure do seem to have accepted mediocrity. They obviously would rather not even attempt to make meaningful moves to get better, and several have made it clear that they mainly care about how we finish in the regular season, and really don't care much about playoff results.

 

 

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I've noticed that not 1 person will answer my question. If having 1 of the best records in MLB, and sweeping the Dodgers season series isn't enough motivation to make a couple trades to actually go for a deep playoff run/WS title, then what will be enough? The only true answer, is nothing will ever be enough, then. 

The later is when you started the strawman argument that nobody on here wants to see any moves.

It's funny you're both arguing you're NOT the only one saying that, but then... you claim here "not 1 person will answer" your ridiculous and rhetorical question. 

We're in a division race. It's no different than the last several years. 

You DID finally answer that you wouldnt' trade Made for a 2 month rental. That's as far as you went.

I'd also like to point out that I believe EVERY post has said they'd like to see trades made, they just don't want to overpay for a rental... and I cannot understand why that's a difficult concept for you to grasp. Not that you have to agree with it, but just grasp. 

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Yeah, uh-huh. Very few teams have swept the Dodgers in a season series over the last 20 years, but we should just forget about that. It's a big nothing burger. I'll tell ya, you and your click of people on here who think their opinions are the ONLY way to think, should be put on some timeouts. Bunch of nar*******ts. 

I don't even know what word you're self censoring here, but... again with the Dodgers. 

You seem to have planted your flag upon the idea we MUST go out and make this BIG drastic move because we beat the Dodgers 6 times! 

This question has also been answered ad nauseum. Small market teams should VIRTUALLY never trade 7 years of elite prospects for rentals. 

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No. But the attitudes here, of mediocrity being acceptable, and that championships don't matter, is beyond weird. 

Another argument made up ENTIRELY of your own creation. 

Not a person on here doesn't want to win a championship. 

Most simply understand that it's not smart for small market teams with a lot of YOUNG talent to trade significant pieces for a rental HURTS that pursuit, it doesn't' help it. 

 

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So you like being g let down after getting promptly ousted from the playoffs pretty much every time? Ok, super, great. To each their own 

Again, another VERY honest representation of what has been articulated🙄

 

I'm done, but there are literally dozens more examples. 

[bigred]

10 minutes ago, BrewerFan said:

LOL... you have got to be kidding me, right?

Have you been following this thread? I've asked... probably half a dozen times WHAT and WHO you expect to give up to make these trades. 

You've come back with asinine strawman arguments such as;

This is the type of ridiculous strawman since you been unable to articulate exactly what you propose we do other than "go for it because we beat the Dodgers." 

And yes, that's CLEARLY my opinion. Don't care if the Brewers ever win a title... you're DEFINITELY more likely to win a title with 2 months of a player having a career year at 34. 

Being good in the regular season is... all I care about. I lack the capacity to see how teams like AZ, the 87 win Braves, the Nats when they had a depleted Pen or other teams simply got hot at the right time. 

The later is when you started the strawman argument that nobody on here wants to see any moves.

It's funny you're both arguing you're NOT the only one saying that, but then... you claim here "not 1 person will answer" your ridiculous and rhetorical question. 

We're in a division race. It's no different than the last several years. 

You DID finally answer that you wouldnt' trade Made for a 2 month rental. That's as far as you went.

I'd also like to point out that I believe EVERY post has said they'd like to see trades made, they just don't want to overpay for a rental... and I cannot understand why that's a difficult concept for you to grasp. Not that you have to agree with it, but just grasp. 

I don't even know what word you're self censoring here, but... again with the Dodgers. 

You seem to have planted your flag upon the idea we MUST go out and make this BIG drastic move because we beat the Dodgers 6 times! 

This question has also been answered ad nauseum. Small market teams should VIRTUALLY never trade 7 years of elite prospects for rentals. 

Another argument made up ENTIRELY of your own creation. 

Not a person on here doesn't want to win a championship. 

Most simply understand that it's not smart for small market teams with a lot of YOUNG talent to trade significant pieces for a rental HURTS that pursuit, it doesn't' help it. 

 

Again, another VERY honest representation of what has been articulated🙄

 

I'm done, but there are literally dozens more examples. 

Like I've said, I don't think it will cost as much as most people think to get him, especially since he's a rental. I definitely wouldn't want to give a Made type prospect, but if they did, and it won us the Ship, wouldn't it be worth it? After all, imo, Made is having a down year. His power #'s definitely aren't progressing. Same with Pratt, and even his Avg is down a lot this year. 

We have lots of pitching depth, so I may even be willing to trade Hendo for him. Wouldn't like it, but I'd be ok with it, if we made a deep run or won a title because of it. There's always risks in trades. That's just the way it is. How do we know, though, if we don't try? 

[da swedish german]

[MVP2110]

17 minutes ago, bigred said:

As far as our top"ish" prospects go, if we absolutely HAD to, I'd give up Pratt +for him. Maybe even more I'd have to think about it more, to come up with a true package for him. Don't think it will take as much as people think, to get him. We need a power bat in a major way. 

Atleast now we have something of substance to debate here. Because there is zero chance I would give up Cooper Pratt for 2 months of Suarez. I don't believe Suarez is enough of an upgrade over Durbin(who has been really good) to make that deal worth it

[BrewerFan]

42 minutes ago, bigred said:

I most certainly did. You just hate me so much, that you must not read my whole comments. I said as an expiring contract, I don't think Suarez will cost as much as some here, think.

Dude, I don't know you enough to hate you... get over yourself. 

I don't like your opinion.

And that was the sum total of your answer? Where? What page and in what response to me did you even respond with "I don't think Suarez will cost as much as some here, think." 

 

How about YOU tell US what YOU think it'll cost and what would be worth it rather than just repeatedly making the ridiculous claim nobody else WANTS to win and you're the only one who actually cares and everyone else is happy with losing, but you, you brage bigred, you're the real true Brewers fan who will stand up to everyone and say..."make a couple moves." 

 

Man, come back from that edge! You're way out there!

For the record, they made a major move already and you refuse to acknowledge it was even a significant trade because...well, I don't actually know why Priester doesn't count, I've effectively just gotten 'nuh-uh, I won't settle for mediocrity,' as responses to that question. 

 

42 minutes ago, bigred said:

I didn't name actual prospects, partly because nobody answers my questions. If having 1 of the best MLB records, sweeping the Dodgers season series, and having a deep system isn't enough to try and go for it, what WILL be enough? 

Being undefeated at the All-Star break? 

You're incapable of making a coherent argument because nobody is answering a stupid rhetorical question?

You cant' HONESTLY be expecting a serious answer to this question. The bloody Dodgers nonsense again.

Now tell me who is harping on the regular season? And in fact, shouldn't sweeping the Dodgers be PROOF we DON'T need to make these major trades for players?

 

It feels kinda obvious that each season is different.

How about this though.

The year is 2027, Misiorowski is our ace and dominant, you have Chourio, Contreras, Wilken, Adams, Frelick, Pratt, Turang, Fischer, you ALSO have Logan Henderson(who you'd trade away)... Bisop Letson, Josh Knoth, Hardin... and two top 5 prospects in the game knocking on the door.

 

You have a hole in your BP or in...CF. Lara hasn't been great. THAT'S  the year to answer this...obnoxious hypothetical(but what if we only go 5-1 vs the Dodgers or get swept by the Yankees). 

 

There, now I've answered. YOU can answer in kind and tell me WHO you're giving up and who we should acquire. A guideline with... ya know, actual names. 

[Brian]

27 minutes ago, bigred said:

I'm not trying to ruin anyone's parade. Just trying to get some "fans" here to stop settling for mediocrity, Being good in the regular season means the Crew are just pretenders. Very good pretenders, but pretenders nonetheless. If wanting the Crew to actually win a title makes me a "bad person", then so be it. If they don't care if we ever win a title, then what's the point of being a "fan" then? 

 

New MLB Power Rankings out: https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/45796792/mlb-2025-power-rankings-week-17-brewers-cubs-tigers-dodgers-blue-jays 

[bigred]

3 minutes ago, MVP2110 said:

Atleast now we have something of substance to debate here. Because there is zero chance I would give up Cooper Pratt for 2 months of Suarez. I don't believe Suarez is enough of an upgrade over Durbin(who has been really good) to make that deal worth it

36 HR's isn't an upgrade over Durbin? Are you being serious? 

[bigred]

4 minutes ago, BrewerFan said:

Dude, I don't know you enough to hate you... get over yourself. 

I don't like your opinion.

And that was the sum total of your answer? Where? What page and in what response to me did you even respond with "I don't think Suarez will cost as much as some here, think." 

 

How about YOU tell US what YOU think it'll cost and what would be worth it rather than just repeatedly making the ridiculous claim nobody else WANTS to win and you're the only one who actually cares and everyone else is happy with losing, but you, you brage bigred, you're the real true Brewers fan who will stand up to everyone and say..."make a couple moves." 

 

Man, come back from that edge! You're way out there!

For the record, they made a major move already and you refuse to acknowledge it was even a significant trade because...well, I don't actually know why Priester doesn't count, I've effectively just gotten 'nuh-uh, I won't settle for mediocrity,' as responses to that question. 

 

You're incapable of making a coherent argument because nobody is answering a stupid rhetorical question?

You cant' HONESTLY be expecting a serious answer to this question. The bloody Dodgers nonsense again.

Now tell me who is harping on the regular season? And in fact, shouldn't sweeping the Dodgers be PROOF we DON'T need to make these major trades for players?

 

It feels kinda obvious that each season is different.

How about this though.

The year is 2027, Misiorowski is our ace and dominant, you have Chourio, Contreras, Wilken, Adams, Frelick, Pratt, Turang, Fischer, you ALSO have Logan Henderson(who you'd trade away)... Bisop Letson, Josh Knoth, Hardin... and two top 5 prospects in the game knocking on the door.

 

You have a hole in your BP or in...CF. Lara hasn't been great. THAT'S  the year to answer this...obnoxious hypothetical(but what if we only go 5-1 vs the Dodgers or get swept by the Yankees). 

 

There, now I've answered. YOU can answer in kind and tell me WHO you're giving up and who we should acquire. A guideline with... ya know, actual names. 

You sure seem like you hate me. Lol. Get over myself? Thinking you hate me, doesn't even remotely mean I have an ego. Quite frankly, I don't care if you do or don't. I speak my opinions and if you don't agree, then so be it. 

[BrewerFan]

6 minutes ago, bigred said:

Like I've said, I don't think it will cost as much as most people think to get him, especially since he's a rental. I definitely wouldn't want to give a Made type prospect, but if they did, and it won us the Ship, wouldn't it be worth it? After all, imo, Made is having a down year. His power #'s definitely aren't progressing. Same with Pratt, and even his Avg is down a lot this year. 

We have lots of pitching depth, so I may even be willing to trade Hendo for him. Wouldn't like it, but I'd be ok with it, if we made a deep run or won a title because of it. There's always risks in trades. That's just the way it is. How do we know, though, if we don't try? 

LOL... of course he is. The 18 year old kid in A Ball with a OBP just shy of .400 who's playing great defense is "having a down year." 

So apparently it's NOT so crazy to suggest you'd trade a top ~35 SS prospect(top 35 in all of Baseball) as you just prposed trading two of them...and you use BA as your rationale(very odd you want Suarez if you're going by BA, but I'm kinda done trying to figure out a rationale to your argument other than, "eh, try something, what's the harm!"

Quick Question...which team signed Tatis Jr?

"How do we know though if we don't try." 

Well...this isn't the first baseball season that's been played. That's how. 

[BrewerFan]

8 minutes ago, MVP2110 said:

Atleast now we have something of substance to debate here. Because there is zero chance I would give up Cooper Pratt for 2 months of Suarez. I don't believe Suarez is enough of an upgrade over Durbin(who has been really good) to make that deal worth it

Durbin is actually 2.2 WAR in exactly 81 games. 

Suarez, in his best season was 4.1 WAR.

Now...do I think WAR should be the only metric used? Of course not, but...this is roughly what I expected. Pratt+.

[bigred]

6 minutes ago, BrewerFan said:

Dude, I don't know you enough to hate you... get over yourself. 

I don't like your opinion.

And that was the sum total of your answer? Where? What page and in what response to me did you even respond with "I don't think Suarez will cost as much as some here, think." 

 

How about YOU tell US what YOU think it'll cost and what would be worth it rather than just repeatedly making the ridiculous claim nobody else WANTS to win and you're the only one who actually cares and everyone else is happy with losing, but you, you brage bigred, you're the real true Brewers fan who will stand up to everyone and say..."make a couple moves." 

 

Man, come back from that edge! You're way out there!

For the record, they made a major move already and you refuse to acknowledge it was even a significant trade because...well, I don't actually know why Priester doesn't count, I've effectively just gotten 'nuh-uh, I won't settle for mediocrity,' as responses to that question. 

 

You're incapable of making a coherent argument because nobody is answering a stupid rhetorical question?

You cant' HONESTLY be expecting a serious answer to this question. The bloody Dodgers nonsense again.

Now tell me who is harping on the regular season? And in fact, shouldn't sweeping the Dodgers be PROOF we DON'T need to make these major trades for players?

 

It feels kinda obvious that each season is different.

How about this though.

The year is 2027, Misiorowski is our ace and dominant, you have Chourio, Contreras, Wilken, Adams, Frelick, Pratt, Turang, Fischer, you ALSO have Logan Henderson(who you'd trade away)... Bisop Letson, Josh Knoth, Hardin... and two top 5 prospects in the game knocking on the door.

 

You have a hole in your BP or in...CF. Lara hasn't been great. THAT'S  the year to answer this...obnoxious hypothetical(but what if we only go 5-1 vs the Dodgers or get swept by the Yankees). 

 

There, now I've answered. YOU can answer in kind and tell me WHO you're giving up and who we should acquire. A guideline with... ya know, actual names. 

There's been plenty of people here who make it obvious that being competitive in the regular season is enough fir them to enjoy. Some have actually said that word for word. 

[bigred]

7 minutes ago, Brian said:

New MLB Power Rankings out: https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/45796792/mlb-2025-power-rankings-week-17-brewers-cubs-tigers-dodgers-blue-jays 

Even more reason to go for it. I think we still need help offensively. Especially with power. We need at least 1 power bat, if not 2. 

[bigred]

7 minutes ago, BrewerFan said:

LOL... of course he is. The 18 year old kid in A Ball with a OBP just shy of .400 who's playing great defense is "having a down year." 

So apparently it's NOT so crazy to suggest you'd trade a top ~35 SS prospect(top 35 in all of Baseball) as you just prposed trading two of them...and you use BA as your rationale(very odd you want Suarez if you're going by BA, but I'm kinda done trying to figure out a rationale to your argument other than, "eh, try something, what's the harm!"

Quick Question...which team signed Tatis Jr?

"How do we know though if we don't try." 

Well...this isn't the first baseball season that's been played. That's how. 

I never said I'd give up 2. I said Pratt +. I said I wouldn't give up Made for him, but if they did(we all know it wouldn't take this to get Suarez), and it won us a Ship, it would be worth it to me. 

[BrewerFan]

5 minutes ago, bigred said:

36 HR's isn't an upgrade over Durbin? Are you being serious? 

My God dude, can you read? 

Does he say Suarez isn't an upgrade over Durbin? Let me help you out here...

 

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Atleast now we have something of substance to debate here. Because there is zero chance I would give up Cooper Pratt for 2 months of Suarez. I don't believe Suarez is enough of an upgrade over Durbin(who has been really good) to make that deal worth it

 

Do you see how you're just... I can't tell if it's lying or just an inability to read.

 

Now, Suarez is an upgrade... as a power hitter.

Overall, as I pointed out, Durbin in 81 games has a 2.2 WAR. That's 4.4 over a full season. 

Suarez has only eclipsed 4 WAR ONCE in his career. 

 

That said, saying he's "not ENOUGH of an upgrade" to trade Pratt is NOT the same as saying "He's NOT AN UPGRADE." 

[CheeseheadInQC]

18 minutes ago, bigred said:

I'm not trying to ruin anyone's parade. Just trying to get some "fans" here to stop settling for mediocrity, Being good in the regular season means the Crew are just pretenders. Very good pretenders, but pretenders nonetheless. If wanting the Crew to actually win a title makes me a "bad person", then so be it. If they don't care if we ever win a title, then what's the point of being a "fan" then? 

 

I don’t think anyone is “settling for mediocrity.” Most of the arguments come down to, do the deal if it makes sense. Increasing your World Series percentage 3% this year at the expense of decreasing it 4% 2027-2031 is bad math.

Second, your narrow definition of “going for it” occasionally feels like a situation where you are trying to be proven right by defining the term in such a way that even if the Brewers “go for it” an average number of times, you’re still going to be proven right 95% of the time. It also ignores the reality that sometimes three small deals can be cumulatively more beneficial than one big one.

[bigred]

2 minutes ago, BrewerFan said:

My God dude, can you read? 

Does he say Suarez isn't an upgrade over Durbin? Let me help you out here...

 

 

Do you see how you're just... I can't tell if it's lying or just an inability to read.

 

Now, Suarez is an upgrade... as a power hitter.

Overall, as I pointed out, Durbin in 81 games has a 2.2 WAR. That's 4.4 over a full season. 

Suarez has only eclipsed 4 WAR ONCE in his career. 

 

That said, saying he's "not ENOUGH of an upgrade" to trade Pratt is NOT the same as saying "He's NOT AN UPGRADE." 

He said Suarez would be much of an upgrade over Durbin, to make it worth it. 36 HR's proves he'd be a tremendous upgrade over him. 

[Brian]

2 minutes ago, bigred said:

Even more reason to go for it. I think we still need help offensively. Especially with power. We need at least 1 power bat, if not 2. 

If we get a power bat it needs to be some, "NOT like a Rhys Hoskins" because since he got hurt we we took off like a rocket. Rhys Hoskins has hampered the Brewers IMHO. 

[BrewerFan]

Just now, bigred said:

I never said I'd give up 2. I said Pratt +. I said I wouldn't give up Made for him, but if they did, and it won us a Ship, it would be worth it to me. 

I think it's ridiculous you'd give up ONE of them...

And the magical, "if it won us a Ship," is child like thinking. No trade is going to guarantee anything OTHER than you're grossly overpaying here. 
 

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There's been plenty of people here who make it obvious that being competitive in the regular season is enough fir them to enjoy. Some have actually said that word for word. 

 

 

Yeah, they haven't. You just struggle to comprehend what people are writing. 

For example, someone just said that Suarez wasn't ENOUGH of an upgrade over Durbin to trade Pratt and you came back incredulous and said "he's not an upgrade over Durbin!"

 

So people write one thing and it goes in your head, gets filtered through your nonsense and comes back out something entirely different.