Brewers at Pirates; Friday, May 23 @ 5:40 p.m.: Freddy Peralta (2.59 ERA, 3.68 FIP) vs. Paul Skenes (2.44 ERA, 2.75 FIP)

[edfunderburk]

Just now, MilwaukeeBeers said:

My friend he is the youngest player in baseball. It is a relatively new position to him at this level. This team is not set up to compete it's ok to have him learn on the fly out there. His reads in RF are way better I will say he is darn near elite as a defender there. It can translate if he puts in the work. It takes time and he hasn't seen much time in that position in the MLB. Lets give the kid some grace. 

The last three words in my post … “at this time” 

I’m aware of his age

So, has management determined that this is a year to settle for no playoffs?

If so - let’s sell off & get other young players & pitchers some big league experience so they too can learn at the MLB level like Chourio

[MilwaukeeBeers]

Just now, adambr2 said:

This team has "sellers" written all over it. They aren't going to win the division, and even if they flirt with .500 all year, the NL is much too strong to sneak up to even a 6 seed. 

Nothing in this lineup (other than the young guys that you aren't going to sell) is worth a crap, but they might have some bites on pitching. Hopefully it's a strong sellers market. 

Oh absolutely I don't think anyone looks at this team and say it screams a "contender". Here's hoping ownership doesn't handcuff what needs to be done for the sake of a wild card one and done. This draft is looking stacked in 2026 maybe we get lucky and win the lotto. With the elite lower level talent we have we could build a powerhouse very soon. I think it's ok to punt this year. Will Attanasio?

[OldSchoolSnapper]

1 minute ago, adambr2 said:

This team has "sellers" written all over it. They aren't going to win the division, and even if they flirt with .500 all year, the NL is much too strong to sneak up to even a 6 seed. 

Nothing in this lineup (other than the young guys that you aren't going to sell) is worth a crap, but they might have some bites on pitching. Hopefully it's a strong sellers market. 

I'm inclined to agree. I keep hearing that the Cubs can't keep the pace up offensively, which is probably correct, but that doesn't solve any problems as far as how terrible this offense is. Or the reality that we have a lot to look up at right now that isn't the Cubs, too. 

We have a major reliance on youth right now and it's showing. It's definitely an off year. 

 

[wiguy94]

3 minutes ago, adambr2 said:

This team has "sellers" written all over it. They aren't going to win the division, and even if they flirt with .500 all year, the NL is much too strong to sneak up to even a 6 seed. 

Nothing in this lineup (other than the young guys that you aren't going to sell) is worth a crap, but they might have some bites on pitching. Hopefully it's a strong sellers market. 

Hoskins will get a nice return if he keeps hitting going into the deadline.

[edfunderburk]

7 minutes ago, yourout said:

Bad bad bad loss.

Welcome to 2025 … that is the fourth of fifth such loss

[MilwaukeeBeers]

1 minute ago, OldSchoolSnapper said:

I'm inclined to agree. I keep hearing that the Cubs can't keep the pace up offensively, which is probably correct, but that doesn't solve any problems as far as how terrible this offense is. Or the reality that we have a lot to look up at right now that isn't the Cubs, too. 

We have a major reliance on youth right now and it's showing. It's definitely an off year. 

 

I just don't understand how PCA is still on this heater. His peripherals are poopy and he has one of the worst chase rates in baseball. Sometimes it's just the way she goes.  

[Rhah]

This is going to be a long season.

[Bulldogboy]

In what world does a guy with 102 mph fastball and a era under 1.50 not have a role here even if it's long relief?

[Brewer77]

1 minute ago, Bulldogboy said:

In what world does a guy with 102 mph fastball and a era under 1.50 not have a role here even if it's long relief?

In the world where Matt Arnold doesn’t want to give him an extra year of arbitration and have even less money to work with

[Jopal78]

10 minutes ago, wiguy94 said:

Hoskins will get a nice return if he keeps hitting going into the deadline.

Doubt it. Maybe a player or two who are years away room the majors. Teams don’t trade blue chippers anymore, and certainly not for expensive rental hitters.

[adambr2]

14 minutes ago, wiguy94 said:

Hoskins will get a nice return if he keeps hitting going into the deadline.

I think people are going to be disappointed. He's a one trick pony who can offer offense but not much else. That has value for sure, and there will be definitely be interested buyers, but a couple months renting his bat is not going to bring back what people are hoping for, especially for his price tag. 

You might get some sort of interesting prospect or two that you can dream on, but they'll be guys you need to look up, not household names that you're already familiar with from prospect lists. 

Mostly it'll be clearing some salary off the books. 

[Bulldogboy]

10 minutes ago, Brewer77 said:

In the world where Matt Arnold doesn’t want to give him an extra year of arbitration and have even less money to work with

If that's the case sell now because you aren't playing the best 26 guys so you're not being serious. 

[Jim French Stepstool]

This place was a house of horrors for Milwaukee years ago. Despite winning yesterday it looks like that go-around might be coming around again. There's no way Pittsburgh puts up the quality of ABs against everybody else that they have the last two days. Loved the 0-2 swing on a slider at the ankles from a guy who looked pretty bad all night at the plate--and looked pretty bad THAT AB, up until the last pitch. Then throw in Reynolds & Frazier putting on their George Brett & Pete Rose costumes whenever it's a clutch moment. Just unbelievable. Not that we were good, but geez..........

I feel for Murphy, BP decisions notwithstanding. The pen is getting overworked, so OF COURSE you have to cover extras twice in three days. And when we needed length, our anointed ace needs to burn 18 pitches to retire Henry Davis twice. Ugh.

Bauers vs the LH looked ugly, twice. Hindsight, I guess you use Collins & leave Monasterio in the game.

To me this is more frustrating than the Megill meltdown in Arizona due to the way this team just seems to elevate at the plate when they play us. 

[Brock Beauchamp]

19 minutes ago, Rhah said:

This is going to be a long season.

Welcome to Brewer Fanatic!

[wiguy94]

16 minutes ago, Jopal78 said:

Doubt it. Maybe a player or two who are years away room the majors. Teams don’t trade blue chippers anymore, and certainly not for expensive rental hitters.

Please point out where I said he would get a blue chipper for Hoskins?

[AKCheesehead]

28 minutes ago, MilwaukeeBeers said:

I just don't understand how PCA is still on this heater. His peripherals are poopy and he has one of the worst chase rates in baseball. Sometimes it's just the way she goes.  

Way she goes, boys. The way of the road. 

[Brewer77]

The starting pitching is just good enough to give them a chance most days

The offense is doing just enough most days to keep games within reach 

The bullpen has been very good at keeping close games close and making unclose games close

[wiguy94]

12 minutes ago, adambr2 said:

I think people are going to be disappointed. He's a one trick pony who can offer offense but not much else. That has value for sure, and there will be definitely be interested buyers, but a couple months renting his bat is not going to bring back what people are hoping for, especially for his price tag. 

You might get some sort of interesting prospect or two that you can dream on, but they'll be guys you need to look up, not household names that you're already familiar with from prospect lists. 

Mostly it'll be clearing some salary off the books. 

Yeah that's just not true. If Hoskins still has a 130-140 wRC+ come the deadline the Brewers will get more than "clearing salary off the books" to trade him.

Also referring back to your original post you implied nobody in the lineup has value but some pitchers do? Outside of Peralta and Contreras nobody on our roster (that we would ever consider trading) would net a big trade return. If Hoskins is still a 130-140 wRC+ guy he'd be our best reasonable trade asset outside of Peralta and Contreras.

[RobertCrawley]

I was away and I haven't read any of the posts, but I wanted to log on to agree with Ed that Murphy screwed up leaving Abner in too long.

[wiguy94]

My goodness this is horrific from Murphy. You know your pen is ravaged so instead of committing to Ashby when you got him up you sat him down and made him unavailable for the rest of the game.

 

[Jim French Stepstool]

34 minutes ago, MilwaukeeBeers said:

My friend he is the youngest player in baseball. It is a relatively new position to him at this level. This team is not set up to compete it's ok to have him learn on the fly out there. His reads in RF are way better I will say he is darn near elite as a defender there. It can translate if he puts in the work. It takes time and he hasn't seen much time in that position in the MLB. Lets give the kid some grace. 

Yep. Bottom line, you're sorta screwed when you're missing two OFs who happen to be your top 2 CFs, your 3rd best CF is far & away your best RF, your former mainstay in LF doesn't seem to be trusted out there & the others are pretty much relegated to LF.

Oh, and Cameron hits .370 in AAA, comes up here & does next to nothing, and your best OF prospects are nowhere near ready. 

[Jim French Stepstool]

53 minutes ago, edfunderburk said:

The last three words in my post … “at this time” 

I’m aware of his age

So, has management determined that this is a year to settle for no playoffs?

If so - let’s sell off & get other young players & pitchers some big league experience so they too can learn at the MLB level like Chourio

If this continues, they'll sell. But don't expect young players with big-league experience.

[wiguy94]

2 minutes ago, Jim French Stepstool said:

Yep. Bottom line, you're sorta screwed when you're missing two OFs who happen to be your top 2 CFs, your 3rd best CF is far & away your best RF, your former mainstay in LF doesn't seem to be trusted out there & the others are pretty much relegated to LF.

Oh, and Cameron hits .370 in AAA, comes up here & does next to nothing, and your best OF prospects are nowhere near ready. 

Not that Cameron should have been expected to be good but it's tough to give him grief for doing nothing when he's basically been glued to the bench since getting called up. Cameron was on fire and called up on 4/26. In his first 10 days on the Brewers roster he had 7 PA. If you want to carry over a guys hot streak from AAA seems like you should give them some everyday reps when they first come up rather than use them sparingly.

[Jim French Stepstool]

27 minutes ago, wiguy94 said:

Not that Cameron should have been expected to be good but it's tough to give him grief for doing nothing when he's basically been glued to the bench since getting called up. Cameron was on fire and called up on 4/26. In his first 10 days on the Brewers roster he had 7 PA. If you want to carry over a guys hot streak from AAA seems like you should give them some everyday reps when they first come up rather than use them sparingly.

I was all for him getting the call. And no, he wasn't given any kind of a consistent run but IMO he looked pretty bad at the plate. Collins' #s aren't good vs LHP but It's a low bar, & I guess with him being more of a contact guy from both sides this is what they've chosen to do until people get healthy.

I'm guessing they gave Cam a few games to see if what he did in Nashville would continue here, and when it didn't made him a placeholder on the roster until an OF comes back or someone (Seigler? Dalbeck? Rosario?) appears to be a better option. Is only a few games fair? Not totally.

[edfunderburk]

51 minutes ago, Jim French Stepstool said:

If this continues, they'll sell. But don't expect young players with big-league experience.

I think you misunderstood what I said. 

I’m suggesting that we sell of our vets & promote our prospects so they can get big league experience like Chourio is getting.